Ladies night (and day)-smell the coffee

[judyvillecco]

I'm not much for drinking but I do drink a lot of coffee and I really need a big one so I thought I'd start a new thread topic for ladies (gents can join in) called wake up and smell the coffee. It will be on the subject of all the stuff we women vets were subjected to good and bad in the military or anything else that comes up along the way, jokes, heros, philosophy, etc. Join in and smell the coffee! :d:

[judyvillecco]

Well it was a quite morning at the coffee house...had to drink the whole pit by myself/////////*******^^^^^^Think I'll shift to cola now and simmer down the heat a bit with mellow tunes and the Everly brothers music. Anybody remember?

[judyvillecco]

Well seems I've been flamed so I thought I'd put on another pot of coffee and sit down, hope you join me and talk about gentler days. This will be my last post if no one joins in but i hope you do. My Dad was a WWII vet named Bill. He was my Hero and not afraid of anything or anyone. He was one of the first to enlist in the war when it broke out as a gunnersmate. He was always proud to have served and when he died he received a veterans burial. He was one of those tough oldtimers Tom Brokaw talks about in his book. Sure miss the oldtimers.:confused: :( He was a leader but alone. He came from a long line of leaders from England and could date his heritage back to the Civil War. To quote James I of England " I can make a lord, but God Almighty can make a gentleman" and indeed Bill Chamberlain was that to me. His big brown eyes had tears and his big heart was so broken so many times but he remained undaunted and splendid..my Hero.

[nang]

Hey Tucker,
I'm not a warrior so you can kick me out if you like. I'm the Mother of a soldier who is far away and in danger as we speak.
I feel your pain deep inside and I applaud you for serving our country so bravely at a time when others ran the other way.
My step father was also a warrior in WWII and the Korean War. I could listen to his stories for hours.
Just wanted you to know that someone was listening.

[vetgirl]

my grandson has other ideas for my time now

deb

[vetgirl]

Can a girl get a cup of coffee here?

[judyvillecco]

You betcha Just making a fresh pot... You have a real place here! Come on in and sit a spell! :a:

[judyvillecco]

Welcome nang! Thanks for listening and your presense is welcome here and also your voice. (Wouldn't think of kicking anyone off here!) If you have a child serving, you are a warrior too as I see it! Feel free to speak your mind here agree or disagree but I really appreciate the kind words.

I remember, I remember How my childhood fleeted by, the mirth of its December, And the warmth of its July. by Winthrop Mackworth Praed.

Yes those old WWII vets were something else. My Dad was also a golden gloves boxer and I remember him taking up for my Korean American friends family when the neighbors tried to run them out of the neighborhood and he told them they all would have to go through him first. He backed down a whole mob! I was only 4. What a guy. He was part Indian (Cherokee) when it wasn't cool to be in Tennessee . When I was 10 he cursed out the police because they wouldn't stop the KKK from beating up some black brothers behind our house one night when I woke him.

That's the first time I saw him cry because he felt helpless to protect me from seeing something bad. :confused:
I never saw him weak or cry except over me. The next time was when he saw me after I came back from the Army. Never had I seen such sadness or worry. He was something...My Hero. I miss him. A great man. I drink to him! (A cup of coffee that is!)

[vetgirl]

My dad was in the army in WWII. Africa than Italy. He was in the tanks. He NEVER talked about it. The only time he came close was when we watched the TV program "Combat" He always said "Sarge" was him. Oh, one other thing, we all had to memorize his service # (12127732 that's all I can tell you) :p

[judyvillecco]

Whoah... You had to memorize his number? Sounds like a bummer. What was Sarge like? :cool: :e:

[Shortdawg]

Nice job Tucker. My Dad was a hero too, he served in Nam. I really miss him a lot he had a heart of gold and a smile to make anybodies day. He came home and brought it with him he was a fighter all his life tryin to get help for Nam vets but lukemia took him out. Thanks

[judyvillecco]

Welcome shortdawg! I'm brewing up a fresh pot. Just got through pouring out a real bitter pot from this afternoon. I drank too much of it and almost made me sick. Sounds like your following in your Dad's footsteps too. They don't make hero's the way they used to. My Dad hated bullies...guess he taught me to feel the same. he was always for the underdog. he was a featherweight and died of his war illnesses with no compensation and refused to ask for VA help. Always made it on his own. his Indian name was Lone Wolf. He took that name several years right before he died and cried through the whole ceremony with me my sister and daughter and grandson. he said it was time to start talking about things. Some people don't like heros like him because they can't measure up...you know what I mean so they put people like him down. He was man enough to cry. That made him big in my eyes. he could also admit he was wrong. I tend to have an affinity for my own shoe leather at times but like him can admit it if I bite off too much. He chose his battles better than me, I tend to jump in the fire and get the heck beat out of me but then i guess he did too at first because he had scars to prove it.

[vetgirl]

Sarge was a bummer. Never understood him till I met the "Duke"(my boyfriend) He does talk. But I was a few months too late to let him know.

[vetgirl]

I am currently corresponding with a lady who is stationed in Italy. I am going to invite her to come here. I think she will like it

[judyvillecco]

hey vet girl...have a cup of Java. Sorry about sarge. Glad you found your current love. Guess its true Love looks not with the eyes but with the heart. Glad to see you here. It's been a rough day outside the saloon but better now in this safe place. :e: Have to work off my spaghetti dinner hubby and I had.

[vetgirl]

He is so much like my dad... you know. I sent my friend beth the "invitation" She's about 25 or so sent me a picture of her and her plane. She's been calling us for about 2 years, says she's always bored (maybe homesick). I think she'd really like this place

[judyvillecco]

Yes invite her. Tell Duke hi for me. Don't forget the other site either Women patriots. You are one! Bernadette did a lot of work on it to set it up so we need to show our appreciation to keep it going. I'd be honored to see you there! Maybe Duke has some insight too. :d:

[judyvillecco]

Duke and Sarge alike? Does Duke make you memorize his serial number? Or alike in other ways....

[vetgirl]

Duke HATES computers. LOVES TV. I told him you guys said he should join and he says he'd probably get kicked off for his big mouth. He's funny about some stuff. Found his Nam buddies; he won't go to the reunion. But I found here, so all is not lost

[vetgirl]

I know his military record by heart (duke)

[vetgirl]

The TV thing, they are alike in. They both carry hankies. They are both Capricorn. They both love me. They both can't hear a thing. They both will swear you said... (the hearing thing). Both were Sarge. Army & Marine though.

[judyvillecco]

Oh Oh I'm a Capricorn too. Oh Oh I have a big mouth too. Oh good I'm not a Sarge just got to Private. :rolleyes: That's all Rumsfield would let me go. (Oops!) I might get kicked off for saying that myself. Hope I'm around to see the sights.

[vetgirl]

Duke left a private

[judyvillecco]

Oh my Lordy Lordy girl next you'll be tellin me he has PTSD too. Your scarin me. Is he my Brother or somethin? I got to brew another pot of Java and drink this last drop down! :rolleyes: :b:

[vetgirl]

He's also Cherokee. If that means anything to ya :D

[vetgirl]

and 100%

[vetgirl]

OK did I freak you out? I'm amused. This stuff always happens to me. Just sit back and enjoy. You guys are probably related... except his people are from Kentucky.

[judyvillecco]

No you didn't freak me. i tried to send you a message but I wasn't able to get it through due to a message that said it was deleted and monitored. Must be my computer.

[vetgirl]

you can always e-mail me

[judyvillecco]

Had to go offline and delete some cookies attached to my computer.

[vetgirl]

I posted a pic of my daughter on the family forum. My girl Megan. Check it out. She's in her 5th year in the Coast Guard. top is her boot camp pic bottom is her doing her job. you'll like it.

[judyvillecco]

She's a real trooper and the pictures are great! Thanks for sharing them. Well I'm still here so while it lasts thought since you are here I'd talk about mothers. My mom was my best friend, strong kind, loving, independent, I could talk to her about anything except I never told her or my Dad the extent of my nightmare in the service. I didn't really have to tell them all of it... they could see it by the shape I was in when I got out. My mom died my last semester in college suddenly after telling me she was going to dance at my graduation. I was so devastated I couldn't finish until the next semester but I felt she was there dancing. My Dad only survived her 4 years. My best friend died of breast cancer the following year who knew all my secrets. That was 3 years ago and I haven't been the same since. I miss them all.

[David]

Tried to secret message some buddies but the webmasters have big brother censoring me. Guess my big mouth has got me into trouble again. Certain people don't like the discomfort of the topics I'm bringing up. Guess some people don't think they are patriotic according to Falwell or some of that bunch.


No you didn't freak me. i tried to send you a message but Ilm not allowed. This may be my last post see censorship,

What are you talking about?

[vetgirl]

well girlfriend, I am my daughters' best friend. My mom died of pancratic cancer Sep 29,1994. She and my Dad just missed 50 years of marriage by 3 months. She still is the strongest woman I have ever known. Raised me that way and hence, my baby, Megan. She is VERY independent. I think she over compensates on the job. I know she works side by side with the guys and they love her. They especially love her cooking. She takes duty every holiday so the rest can be with their family. You gotta love that girl

[judyvillecco]

I know you love her and are proud of her and she's proud of her mom just the same

[vetgirl]

I still have MORE military in my family. Megan is the only girl though. My whole family is military, My mom had a whole wall dedicated to them (with medals and pictures), she left it to me.

[judyvillecco]

How did you escape not joining the military?

[judyvillecco]

I understand completely. Well just a small pot of coffee tonight cause I have some late night work to do after my 10 hour day so I can pay my $900 a month health insurance one more time. That's what us older folks with no pensions who were treated wrong have to do...whine whine. I can do this here. Let those who call me a whiner pay my insurance and see who whines. Well thought I'd talk about my great son who is serving in the Air Force along with my Nephew both active duty in harms way many times. My grandson wants to grow up and be like Dad. I'm so proud of my boys. My son is adopted but closer in many ways than my daughters. He didn't suffer the hard times and can see me for who I am. That's the problem sometimes with the people close to you who live with you after you return from service all messed up before you have therapy and get straightened out some...they can't forget. They are too caught up in emotions unless they have therapy too. Then they have to want to get better like you. Life can be beautiful again though. You can learn to smell the spring rain again and feel the sweet breeze.

[vetgirl]

My Mom was all for the war untill my sister's friend came back. She knew him before. She asked him what it was like. Well, he told her. If she did not know him, she never would have believed him. After that she had a new attitude. Someone posted "not all women in the 60's wore love beads." It is a picture of dog tags. Well some of us wore tears, like my mom and me. Too many friends came back damaged. But it really wasn't a war, they told us. Sometimes you gotta wonder...

[judyvillecco]

I know what you mean. My brother in law came back that way. I went in because of seeing him and others. The war effort was winding down and POW's were still missing. The draft was being done away with and there was a build up of women and opportunity to start a new frontier for women. The Army wasn't prepared for the buildup though and things were still too crazy. it was still a country in turmoil but that's just how it was then.

[judyvillecco]

It was war allright kind we're in now in a way declared undeclared. Only thing then was we were a country of body bags and not a family that wasn't touched..sort of like WWII. It's a lesson those of us who lived through it will not forget, I hope.

[vetgirl]

You got that right. Sex and drugs and rock & roll.

[vetgirl]

Yes it is disturbing; if you don't learn from history you are doomed to repeat it. Hope my girl gets through ok.

[judyvillecco]

Have you seen the movie the 60's? Boy...it's about three families affected by the times. It is right on! And then some. You got it... on my. Let me know if you see it.

[vetgirl]

not yet .. I'll lookfor it

[judyvillecco]

How bought a cup of Amaretto coffee (non-alcoholic)? Thought we'd try something different. Have you noticed how many listeners we have? Isn't that great! Maybe some will join us for a cup of coffee sometime. Seems our coffee is getting popular! What do you think vet girl?

[vetgirl]

I think we're TOO LOUD. but, who cares?

[vetgirl]

Hey if we get 61 more posts we will beat the saloon guys

[vetgirl]

hey wanna go to the chat rooms?

[vetgirl]

you gotta say yes too that popup window

[judyvillecco]

I'm in the saloon

[vetgirl]

Brave girl

[vetgirl]

oh coffee saloon

[judyvillecco]

I got lost between the chat room and losing my mind and outer space somewhere so i'm back here. i just haven't got these chat rooms down yet. Not used to them. :D :d:

[vetgirl]

check out the puzzle under general... puzzle

[vetgirl]

well gotta go to bed now see ya tomorrow

[judyvillecco]

goodnight!

[judyvillecco]

Coffees on and I just finished a long drink. Seems some people ask questions but I wonder if they really want answers." People seem not to see that their opinions of the world are also confessions of character." Ralph Waldo Emerson once wrote...I know we don't always see the forest for the trees. One of the biggest days I noted on this website for interest and new members was also one of the most controversial since I have been here. Many times controversy is despised and unwelcomed when in fact, it is what made our country great...our differences of ideas and thought exchanged in open debate and forum. What do you think?

[judyvillecco]

Coffee's brewing. Wilson Mizner used to say a good listener is not only popular everywhere, but after a while he knows something! Dreamt about my grandmother the other night...she was 4ft 11inches and on a real good day she might have made it to 90lbs. She was a cute little white haired lady with hazel blue eyes. She came to me in a dream carrying a bowl of beans of all things. it was a really good dream and meaningful too. Found out a lot about myself from it. A lot I had forgotten.

[judyvillecco]

Speaking of grandmothers...my grandmothers brother fought in WWI and died in that war. My grandmother talked often about how sad he never returned home. I have a picture of him in his uniform and if I can figure a way to convert it into a jpg file I'll attach it. He looked like a movie star! My grandmother was Iroquis Indian(Mothers side) and French-Irish. coffees on and tonight I'm wondering about the pay-offs in the backrooms of Congress tonight and wondering if the American people, expecially ordinary people are going to come out ahead or if it will be more hits to the taxpayers as usual and porkbarrels.

[judyvillecco]

I went in the Chat room to join in a trivia game and it went so fast I couldn't think fast enough to keep up so I fled back to have a cup of tea and listen to some flute music. Think I'll fire up the pipe a while and sit a spell. Anyone up for a talk or want to talk of the old ones?

[judyvillecco]

Heated up some hot chocolate to end this lonely night. I have found this place cold and lonely...I thought I would meet a few friends here but no one has taken time to get to know me to much or if they have I don't know about it so I probably will not post again which will probably make some people very happy. Its a sad statement when different voices can't be heard on a forum such as this. Many of you can say I'm hurt here and be heard with respect and kindness. I have not been given that. Courtesies of a small and trivial character are the ones which strike deepest in the grateful and appreciative heart Henry Clay once said. Sparrow asks for understanding to those who know her heart yet she breaks mine without a thought. Then she talks about our Father...My Father loves me as much as her and would not keep punishing me everytime I speak. I am hurt for the last time by that woman until apology flows. Love doesn't seek its own,,,it is kind and doesn't keep hurting its wounded Vietnam Vets. I got no welcome home like many of you and I had compassion for you. Have you any for me? Are my words so contemptuous? Do I have any friends here?

[Arrow]

Judy you have been rude by making outrageous statements regard censorship of your post and your pms and ignoring the calls of the moderators to provide proof. And not recanting one untrue statement of censorship. I think we all have been pretty nice about going the extra mile with you. I am sorry you don't feel it is far enough. The crux of the matter as I see it is you are pissed about the ground rule I laid down on the Women's Patriot forum about no male bashing if you have a bitch about a man make it specific my ex, my sgt etc. But on the other hand same/same with men generally attacking women as happened on the history channel forum with a person that will remained unnamed. If you consider that censorship so be it. I thing we all have been more than a little patient with your accusations. Is it possible that you want us to admit to something that is not true? Would that make me a better person in you eyes? I am sorry I can't do that for you or any one else no matter how you want to call into question my concern for Vietnam Vets and my love of others as you have so stated.

[Arrow]

For the record and what I see the problem to be:

First let me say Judy that there would be no Patriot files if it wasn't for Bern and David. I think I would be safe in saying that when people fund a site out their own pockets for months on end and will not allow advertising to maintain the integrity of the site that you bet they have our best interest at heart. Be nice. The Girl was jokin'.

As the song says, "She works hard for her money, so hard for you honey, so you better treat her right."

Ground rule #1 no male bashing on this forum. Speak your minds and if you have to make reference to harm done to you by a man put it in the specific and not the general. My ex, my SGT, etc. It is hurtful to me when men generalize about women so let's not return the hurt. The same goes for guys. You come on the forum and say anything like "get over it." Or demean any one of the sisters. Your post will be deleted. Count on it. Maybe some of you are "getting over it" but you had to work long and hard to get there. We are not all in the same place at the same time. Go easy on each other. sis

Main Entry: pa?tri?ot

Pronunciation: 'pA-trE-&t, -"?t, chiefly British 'pa-trE-&t

Function: noun

Etymology: Middle French patriote compatriot, from Late Latin patriota, from Greek patriOtEs, from patria lineage, from patr-, patEr father

Date: 1605: one who loves his or her country and supports its authority


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judyvillecco
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Women patriots
lLook. I don't know who does what and I have explained myself enough to the people involved. What do you want more? If this site is for just a few just say so and I'll be gone. I work hard for my money too and don't see that as the issue sparrow.



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little sparrow
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Now now don't be upset I was just given you a little history so you would know who does what. I understand you are havin' a hard time but we are not the enemy. sis


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Ladies night-smell the coffee
No you didn't freak me. i tried to send you a message but I wasn't able to get it through due to a message that said it was deleted and monitored. Must be my computer cause I'm told it wasn't here and what i saw I didn't. Funny I'm not diagnosed hallucinations.



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vetgirl
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you can always e-mail me



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judyvillecco
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Whew...been running from Liberty mountain or something like that. Had to go offline and delete some cookies attached to my computer. Tried to secret message some buddies but couldn't. Guess my big mouth has got me into trouble again. Certain people don't like the discomfort of the topics I'm bringing up. Guess some people don't think they are patriotic enough. Seems I'm being accused of being a troublemaker. Wow I thought i was just commenting on my reality like others here.



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David
veni, vidi, vici

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Tried to secret message some buddies but the webmasters have big brother censoring me. Guess my big mouth has got me into trouble again. Certain people don't like the discomfort of the topics I'm bringing up. Guess some people don't think they are patriotic according to Falwell or some of that bunch.
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What are you talking about?

[judyvillecco]

Well since you are drinking at my table tonight, I will address each of your accusations for the record. Again sparrow, I am not rude and wish you would refrain from namecalling. I do not feel I have made "outrageous accusations" of censorship. The censorship I was referring to did happen. No, I didn't dream it and I took my references to it off to keep controversy down on this forum, but since you won't let it die it remains. I will correct for the record that I do not believe David or Bern had anything to do with it now. I was reported to a liberty website by a poster I'd rather not say except I know who and they know who. I had a cookie on my computer as it turns out. I only malebash my abusers and since you came on so strong to me I didn't feel free to talk on the forum. I felt you intended to keep bashing and I was going to watch the site and see where it went. i was content it was there. From the looks of things, Doesn't look like to many other women have felt safe either. maybe you have too many rules for women and bash us women too hard. My arguments with David and Bern was over some names of the forum which if that offends them with all the other stuff on these sites, again if this is a site for the few...

.I have been married to the same man for close to 30 years and he is a vet . I don't hate men so get that out of your head but I don't hate women and think they need a voice we don't seem to have. Obviously you have some prejudice here it seems to me...but that's just my opinion...I could be wrong. Don't get mad just trying to get you to look at some stuff. You come on antiwoman to me.

[judyvillecco]

A good heart is better than all the heads in the world...Edward Bulwer-lytton

[Arrow]

You are not stating the facts Judy but that's ok if it makes you feel better to tell it your way go ahead. I don't have time to run defense on this one. Thanks for taking your post off the site accusing us of censorship. I appreciate that.

[judyvillecco]

I am an optimist. it doesn't seem too much use being anything else. Winston Churchill. You have your "facts" I have mine. LET IT GO!

[judyvillecco]

"In matters of syle, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock" Thomas Jefferson Coffees brewing and night is young.

[judyvillecco]

Well this has been a good night but the coffee house is quiet ...not many talkers tonight. I welcome the listeners. Talked to some folks about a POW who died quietly this past week and reminiced about old times and old warriors. One old warrior who is always on my heart is my Dad. Jean Paul Richter once said "What a father says to his children is not heard by the world, but it will be heard by posterity." I keep coming to this coffee saloon to find something. Perhaps you will join me heresometime and together we can find what it is we are missing. Smell the coffee?

[judyvillecco]

Coffee is on tonight.... The soul would have no rainbow if the eye had no tear. Some good articles read the drifters article about what is a Vietnam Vet and really brought some memories back. Great article! The Vet that died here in my hometown as many do every day being a military town was sad as well. Speaking of real Heroes Colonel Bud Day was in a boating accident here and one of our local vets rescued him and his boat that was on fire. What a great man Colonel George E. Day... a true Patriot ,Medal of Honor recipient, 5 1/2 year POW for sure and I'll challenge anyone on that one. A true champion for Tricare for life and he has fought many battles for VETS. His book Return with Honor is a lesson for us all and one I'm proud to have in my collection dogeared and underlined and tearstained. Anyone priveliged to have been in his company or his beautiful wife's know how special and blessed our country to have had heroes like him to look up to. He is one of mine in more ways than one.

[judyvillecco]

Posted in the Eglin Eagle by Airman Sarah Busch was an article about Senior Airman Maxim Weekes diving in Choctawhatchee Bay to save retired Col. George Day when his 25-foot motorboat caught fire. Weekes swam toward Day and Day jumped and swam toward Weekes and Weekes pulled Day out to shore. Day was treated at the scene and came out uninjured. Weekes has been nominated for the Airmans Medal. He graciously said of Day He's the survivor. He's the real survivor. I say they both are! :a:

[judyvillecco]

Coffee's on....We need love's tender lesson taught as only weakness can; God hath His small interpreters, the child must teach the man. John Greenleaf Whittier. Come on in sit a spell and talk about your heros.

[vetgirl]

judy you are right they pesecute you. dead guy "stolen valor" please read my response (on the other thread)

[judyvillecco]

I did sweatheart and I'm glad you had the courage to speak out. Don't stop! Keep telling your guys story and all the pain he has gone through. How he can't stay here in this world because he wasn't welcomed back upon his return. Don't let anyone shut you up.

[judyvillecco]

Its so sad when stronger voices silence those who need to speak their hearts. My Dad always said this was a free country where everyone had a right to their own opinion and he would fight to the death to defend his and his brothers. What happened to that spirit? Now we have mind police telling uswhat to believe and what is right and what we are to think and say and opine. The political right and left and correct. I just care about people speaking their minds and hearts. You don't have to insult or trash another or persecute another to do that. Come on vetgirl and others speak up! I'll listen. Joy is the one who tried to hurt me too but I came back. She's just a woman who thinks we are just girls who "have it made here in America" according to her latest post. Joy you should be more careful who you hurt!

[colmurph]

"Just a Colonel's wife" ROLMAO!

My "EX" hated the Army when I was Enlisted, hated it when I was a Company Grade Officer, Hated it when I was a Major but when I made LTC then COL she loved it 'cause she was "Mrs. Colonel". Funny thing though.....when I was a 1/Lt with 3d Group at Ft. Bragg she used to Pi.. and Moan all the time about "Mrs. Colonel Stanley" and what a pain she was demanding all the Jr. Officer wives defer to her at the OWC. For some reason women married to Colonels think that the rank has rubbed off on them. I almost got in trouble when some Colonels Wife saw me with my hands in my pockets in Bad Aibling, Germany one winter. She said "Are your hands cold Soldier?" and I said "Yes Maam" she then said "Wear gloves then" at which point I removed my hands from my pockets to show her that I was WEARING gloves, and commented that I didn't see any "Eagles" on her shoulders. I took off before she registered on my name tag. LOL

[Arrow]

would never deliberately set out to hurt anyone she has a strong honest spirit tempered with common sense and thoughtfulness..

It is an honor to have her posting on this site...

[vetgirl]

I really don't follow that closly to know what you guys are talking about. Never married a General. Just a grunt. However what I did elude to was ALL MY GUYS with PTSD, need someone to speak for them. I don't think Generals have that problem. Never ate bugs. Never went hand to hand. Never had to kill, when it went against everything they ever learned. Never had to try to put a baby's arm back on when they knew they threw that granade. Just was saying be very careful... You want guys like mine to take up arms for you now. Don't make them feel ashamed. You asked... they went.

That's all

[vetgirl]

P.S. I'm probably censored now. ":z: Help me! I don't know what's come over me." Sp4LJ

[judyvillecco]

Keep talking vet girl. Your right...how many generals nowdays are on the front line. Most of them send others to the front lines and sit in the safe distance fron the bloody action. I agree Murph many Col wives think they have rank when they have none but Vet girl you have your story and you have your pain and I personally am honored to hear from you and yours. I personally don't care to hear from the Colonels wives who like their titles or like to pull rank. I was molested by a colonel and have no respect for that kind. Haven't met many I do respect. Grunts now...I can relate to vetgirl. They went when the call went out but where are the Generals now...talking about 'stolen valor!' Seems like the pot calling the kettle to me. Don't think they have that right unless they've been where Bud Day was. Now theirs a Colonel I'll salute any time but he doesn't demand it. He's so humble and such a gentleman and his wife is such a lady. I worked in the office next door for years and didn't even know about him for several years when I first moved here. That's how unassuming they are. They are real sweet people.

[judyvillecco]

Coffees on... You will find Sparrow that if you quit defending and telling and share your brothers burden, both of you will walk a little straighter. Just a thought. Who are you Sparrow? I don't want to know who you are defending. Want a cup of coffee?

[philly]

Hello All,

I am new to this forum. I just wanted to say "Hello". I found some of your discussions rather interesting.

I hope you ladies have a great evening.

Philly

[sfc_darrel]

vetgirl,

You're not censored. They don't do that here.

Our screen name, since we both post under it, is sfc_darrel. Darrel retired after 24 years in the Army. We have a son and daughter in law serving in the Air Force, enlisted, and a son, enlisted Navy.

Darrel's answer when an officer walked past and asked why he was talking to himself... It's the only intelligent conversation I get around here, sir.

Joy ;)

[judyvillecco]

Thanks for posting Philly and welcome sit down and have some coffee and chat. Welcome! Yes we do get interesting I think. Join in!

[judyvillecco]

patting a fellow on his back is the best way to get a chip off his shoulder. Also acknowledging his point of view I might add. Coffee's brewing but Joy I think Darrell will acknowledge surely there are others as intelligent as he and worthy of conversation. Now what are your thoughts? Darrell can speak for himself. How do you feel being a military wife and mom. What about vetgirls wounded veteran? How do you feel about that? Have a cup of coffee.

[Stick]

Since only the "Super Moderator" (guilty as charged, Your Honor) have the ability to change, freeze or delete post I take a little offense to the accusations of censorship. It just doesn't happen unless. Unless there is terribly gross language that would be offensive to anybody. Unless there is mis-spelling that changes the intent of the post. Unless, you the poster, ask me to change, delete, or freeze a post, and at that I will review the post for the contributors answers and if they have merit, the post will remain. If there is nothing but insults and arguments going on, then I might freeze the post but leave it there just to let everybody realize how foolish the human condition can get. I feel in my heart that we are all family here and sometimes family can hurt family but the love for family remains. That is what brought us here in the first place and to my family I want to let you know that all of you are welcome here in my room while I enjoy your company. Don't accuse me of changing your words or I'll turn off my hearing aid and stop listening to you.
Oh! Hey, I forgot. I drink my coffee black. Could somebody get me a cup?

[judyvillecco]

You got it Little John! Welcome!One black coffee coming up! Come on in and join us, I tend to start off with little sayings or quotes or stories and anyone can join in, My thought for tonight is Learn from the mistakes made by others. You won't live long enough to make them all yourself. I have been generally talking about heros and feelings, whatever's on your mind and I like your answer Little John about censorship and hope you can help keep us on track. I hope not to shut anyone up here as it is a place to unwind and you have been a most hospitable host. I also wish to STOP an old controversy that seems to go on and on and will say I do NOT BELIEVE YOU ARE CENSORING US. iN VET GIRLS defense I think she has just begun to speak out and has seen the licking I have taken on other posts,,,"family squabbling" and fears some of the same but I hope she speaks for herself I for one try to speak to the few new women who post and encourage their friendship as it gets lonesome here and vetgirl is my friend and has a sweet and good heart. I'm sure we all mean good but like you say.....Thank you for joining in. Hope you join us more!

[judyvillecco]

VETGIRL
Why won't Duke go to his reunion with his military buddies?Have any of them contacted him?

Nang I hope you come back and talk about your heart which seems so tender and sensitive to others. How is your child that is away, Hopefully your reunited by now and the news is good. Perhaps you could talk about the pain in the mothers heart for her child that is stationed in harms way and the prayers and worry that fill our hearts with every report. Many nights I have been unable to sleep but instead of counting sheep I prayed so for my child in pain, tears staining the pillow until sleep found me.I awoke the next day with the same ache in my heart. Only safety and seeing relief in my childs eyes allowed me to feel relief. Thinking about you tonight and other mothers. Perhaps its because in a few weeks is the anniversary deaths of two of the most important women in my life...my mother and maternal grandmother. Both died in September! Both were my best friends!

[judyvillecco]

The difference between a conviction and a prejudice is that you can explain a conviction without getting angry. Coffees good any takers? Aristotle once said without friends, no one would choose to live, though he had all other goods. Welcome friends!

[judyvillecco]

Had my first appointment with the Vet center today with a woman! I was so glad to see a woman! No offense men but I have been seeing men for two years who can't speak my language! The last one I tried to talk to in the St. Pete office sent me to victoria secret! Now there's sensitivity. Before I met with her I was in a room with some fragmented and angry men and one man was hostile almost triggered a full blown panic attack in me, One reason I have put off going there until now. Don't have a choice now though since my insurance decided I'm too disabled and dropped me. "Canceled all policies of my type." The cost to get a new one was more than I make. Hail to the Chief good ole Bush boys. Insurance lobby is alive and well. The message is clear...hope you die soon but don't bother us. We'll see what happens with my two year claim that hasN'T EVEN BEEN READ YET. Sorry but those of you who complain about lines should be in my shoes without a line to stand in. Sound off coffees hot!

[reconeil]

Since, a male doctor telling you to go to: "Victoria's Secret" seems to be quite complimentary of your shape.

After all, it is my understanding that MANY women (mates inclusive) would be very happy if they could wear such fine drillies well,...with an emphasis on the word: "Well".

"Well", that's my 2 cents sexy. So, have another cupper.

Neil

[judyvillecco]

Never thought of it that way. Guess I'll have to take a long slow drink to that one Neil! :a: :D

[judyvillecco]

Neil
Well I thought about it and guess I don't think of myself as sexy at 54 and a grandmother anymore. I did when I was in the military and it was my downfall. I'm more the Jane Russell than the twiggy type figure. My mother always said if you got it flaunt it and I guess guys will be guys and well I didn't flaunt but. When I went in we were issued men's clothing because they didn't have enough women's clothing and I had baggy stuff but I was told it still didn't hide the fact I was a woman. I never held that against the guys who whistled etc. I did hold it against the superiors who used their rank to force themselves without my consent however into situations against my will. Firing squad for them! I don't knock the others. I guess it is surprising when it happens now though. I did have a drunk little Mexican try to follow me to the ladies room and pick me up a few weeks ago and beg me for my name. :D :d:

[reconeil]

First-off Foxy Lady, I don't like to put even my 2 cents worth in on subjects of REAL IMPORTANCE like REAL veteran medical problems (male or female) and/or that which I know little or nothing about.

So, I like to stick to matters that I consider myself an EXPERT (some might say gourmet) on the subject. Thusly, and in that capacity, I'm forced to say to you that being a: "Jane Russel" type most certainly beats-the-hell out of being a; "Twiggy type".

Sorry Judy. But, that's how this horny deviant and twisted thinker usually sees things. Hey,...if you don't believe me, just ask my wife. She'll verify that I'm One Sick Puppy (actually old dog). That "She" put-up-with-such for so long a time,...is mindboggling.

Though, and in fairness to me,...it does keep her on her toes (plus not being bored).

Neil

[judyvillecco]

Neil
Well guy I guess you and my husband of 30 agree on that and he says he's a deviant too! Guess that's why I keep him around. He says he's my "body guard" and laughs at the whistles I still get and says it's a compliment to his good taste. Even my little 16year old grandson says he wishes I was his mom instead of my daughter because she looks older. How ya figger for good genes. I'm not knockin it that way though. I guess I'll keep the Jane Russell as long as it lasts. My Dad and grandfather didn't have grey in their 80's nor do I yet and a full thick head of hair. Only with hubby can I get senior and I have to walk away cause of the hard looks. Victoria Secret though? I'm not the thong type I like comfort. Let Clinton have his Monica's. :a: I like long tee shirts !Thanks for the compliment though. Have a cup of coffee? Tell wifey your harmless and alive which keeps zing in your step. My grandfather used to say there might be snow on the mountain but there's still fire in the furnace! :c: :d: :D

[judyvillecco]

Vetgirl
Just wanted you to know I'm thinking about you and the aniversary date of your Mom's death coming up because my Mom died in September too , also in 1994. Our moms were similar in that they were strong and independent, kind of like us. Coffees on! How bout a cup of Amaretta?

[judyvillecco]

On this Day: Fight for a principle. Express your gratitude, overcome an old fear. Take a minute to appreciate the beauty of nature. Tell someone you love them. Tell them again and again. Well it is ladies night yes it is ladies night and the coffees just right!

[vetgirl]

Judy,
I came back. Same old same old. Life with a vet. (I could have been a protester, ya know?) You "guys" never trust noone. NOONE. or no one. That is the problem. are you north or south ya'll look the same to me. Trust is not in the venacular. Spelled that wrong. not a verb to be used. TRUST? you got that Judy?

[vetgirl]

Since I cannot give you the personal message..... My mom always makes me arrogant. JUST ABOUT THIS TIME of year. She says "judy... you can still e-mail debbie at the same address, however she has lost you. " That's what Rita Says. Miss you even though my life is complicated. could be a month before you know i still love you
deb

P.S. Rita was my mom

[vetgirl]

judy... just a personal note on the family thread is rita with me and SARG with me at 18 yrs (29 yrs ago)
P.S. I'm fat now

deb

[judyvillecco]

Vetgirl
Tried to find the picture but couldn't find it. Help.

[nang]

Hi Judy, I'm back. My computer has been down since Aug. I feel like my right arm was cut off. My son is still overseas. He's doing well,physically. But mentally.... He left a girlfriend here who has just started to give him some static,("you don't write me enough,I'm so lonely") The kind of stuff he does not need to be hearing. I understand that she's in pain in her own way, but I hate the thought that he's got to worry about that, when he needs to have a clear head and focus- and keep himself ALIVE. He is a fine Soldier, excelling at everything that has been thrown at him. Getting all kinds of awards. I haven't seen him since March and probably won't see him till next March.(Anti-depressants are a wonderful thing) I am so proud of him, I could burst.He took a leave of absence from his job to join the Army after Sept 11. He felt it was his duty. Hooah! Well, that's my story.
Just wanted to say "Hey" Hope you are all doing well

[judyvillecco]

Nang! Good to hear from you! I haven't been posting for a long time.... you are right your son didn't need to hear that from his grilfriend. I know you are so proud of him. My computer went down for a while but I got it fixed quick! You're right it does feel like you get cut off. Does your son e-mail you? Tell him hi from another old army gal and Godspeed and he'll be in my prayers. I have 7 grandson's and my oldest is 16 and wants to go into the airforce like Dad and my other son is staying in also because his country needs him. He's in the air force too. I worry and take antidepressants too! I pray for all our men and leaders. They are exposed to so much danger every day. My mother's heart is with you! : :( :a:

[judyvillecco]

How many veterans expect to feel lonely and depresssed and exploited. Frozen in time, nothing can change, nothing can go right. These beliefs have been reinforced by bad experiences, many brought on by self-defeating behaviors. Some of us build walls and bridges and look for rivers to fit them. Some bridges we never cross. Help often comes in the most unlikely places but because our rigid minds are set on how it must be done, we refuse help. Closed minds and hearts do not receive. We refuse to see the bright side because we don't want to give up our view of what could happen. Ga to gv, stand still, and listen to the small voice within and pray for wisdom which is abundant and forthcoming if we listen with an open heart. Coffee's on any takers? :a:

[judyvillecco]

The Cherokee believes age includes the many stages of life to measure wisdom. PTSD causes us to become rigid in our thinking. If our thoughts are rigid our bodies and face reflect this. My grandmother used to say "grow old with smile wrinkles and you will be beautiful. Old people with frowning lines are like dry bones." I suffer from osteoporosis and now I know what she means. Some negative people are so draining they feel they are draining the marrow from your bones. Love transcends many dry places and a flexible mind is easy to bare. When we are comfortable with ourselves, we are ageless.

[philly]

Judy,

Thank you. I enjoyed reading your beautiful words.

Philly

[judyvillecco]

You are very welcome. Tnanks for reading them. I wasn't sure anyone was listening to this forum anymore. It's good to find fellow coffee drinkers! Have a cup of java.

[judyvillecco]

When we think in all/nothing, black/ white, good/bad, we give power to our trauma.(Those of us who suffer it) Let us rise above this and think of the many colors of the rainbow. Life is not black and white, right or wrong. Most of life is lived inbetween the color spectrum. If we don't focus on extremes we can play and enjoy love and peace around us. Today I will seek balance, smell the fresh air and tune in to others and my God.

[judyvillecco]

Peace of mind is a beautiful pink sunset over the ocean reflected over the white sand. Peace is suppertime when the smells of mother's cooking and her soft alto voice singing filled the air. Peace is a soft warm bed on a cold night, a warm fire crackling, roasting marshmallows, a hay ride; a shaft of sunlight that touches the spirit, the laughter of a child. Peace is a kind word, gentle spirits, birds singing. Peace is hearing something we believe when it is hard to believe in anything. it is a quiet knowing that things can work out and life is worth living. There is hi ae s di:: There is peace on earth.