Korea

[CAPARCO]

GREAT SITE. I SERVED IN KOREA DEC 66 TO JAN 68 WITH ALPHA COMPANY 13TH ENGINEER BATTALION 7TH INFANTRY DIVISION IN CAMP KAISER.

[bbeil]

I was up at Unchon-ni with Task Force Alpha . I think they closed down Camp Kaiser in later years.

[Keith_Hixson]

BBEIL

I would like to see more Korean Vets involved on this site! I think it would add to the perspective of all.

Keith

[kenmar]

Not a real veteran, ...but I did serve in Korea from 1959 to 1960 and 1961 to1962.

My first tour was with the 8th Army Long Lines Signal Bat. near Pusan. I was on a mountain site named Chang-San.

The second tour was with the 51st Signal attached to I Corp. I bumped around all the mountain sites in the Seoul and Uijongbu areas. Vaguely rememberdoing a little timeat Camp Caseywhile setting up some crypto stuff (BC610's ) near theDMZ.Sincethat was40 some years ago, the memory is a little blurred.

It wasnice to read about longforgotten places on this site, ...need lots more.

'Cause of some health issues (Emphysema-"Compliments of Camels"), gonna retire soon and will have lots of time to annoy and irritate lots of people .


The Patriot Files is (are) a good thing,

Ken



;)

[Keith_Hixson]

Brother You'd fit right in with Andy and Seatjerker and all them Psycho Vets. Welcome Aboard.

We got a bunch of guys who ride Harley's and scare little old ladies on the freeway. Them Psycho Vets are a rough bunch.

Of course you will have to join my theropy group for those with warped humor.

Keith :w:

[SEATJERKER]

...I RESEMBLE THAT...
...i don't get mad, i don't get even, i get even worse...

...actually i enjoy being included into the "harassing few" but thats what evens out the playing field, I try to play fair when it's games, but when it comes to fighting, "the marques de queensbury has been dead a long time "(father quote) as in feet teeth nails, and elbows, so, am I invited to dinner, or what...
...Sa wa de.......

[kenmar]

After browsing through some of the threads I did notice that theydo get a tad intense.

Ken

[reconeil]

Sorry to hear about your: "Camel"-related problems.
But, and since HUNDREDS OF BILLION$ of additional taxes have been ripped-off from all cigarette smokers over the last few years for such reasons, I'm sure you'll get the best (plus free) medical attention for such available (just a sick joke).

Regardless, and joking aside, please scrub that: "Not a Real Veteran" from your vocabulary, since I too served in harms way almost like like yourself and/or during; "The WRONG Years".
Granted, my DMZ Service (Czech/West German Border '55 to '58) wasn't in Korea. But, so what?

If The USA recognizes your and my Honorable Service to Country, and The VA and we also recognize our selfless and Honorable Service to Country,...who-the-hell cares that The Legion and VFW quite superiorily and biasedly think otherwise.
Hey Friend,...it's "Their" LOSS. It's certainly not "Ours" and/or about 5 million or so deemed Cold War Era Veterans' LOSS, while The Service to Country of so many are perpetually insulted by the self-annointed/chartered: "The REAL Veterans".

Neil

[kenmar]

<DIV>Neil, thanks for the reply.

Ironically, just serving in Korea anytime makes you eligible for the VFW.I did join 6 years ago, but still don't feel at quite at home whenI go to the post. After all, VFW is the acronym for "Veterans of Foreign Wars" and I was not in any war. Seems like the VFW could create some kind of Associate membership where any veteran like you and I would factually be eligible. Maybe I'm just hung up on syntax ...

And then,to beat all, I'm a member of the American Legion under the Vietnam rules cause I was in Korea during the very very first days of the Vietnam war.(The Military Advisor period)

I gotta say that belonging to both has allowed me to meet and become friends with lots of neat people. From what I've been reading here, many arelike those on this site. I'm grateful for that.

About the smoking, no offense taken.My habit of smoking was derived from my other habit of being stupid.Like you always hear.. ."Wish I knew then what Iknow now".The problem with this"Gaining Wisdom with Age" thing, is most of the time you don't need it when you get it. http://www.patriotfiles.com/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif


Ken
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[reconeil]

Glad to hear that your Overseas Duty for Country wasn't similarly belittled, as was/is done by both The Legion and VFW for many Cold War Veterans. Still, and any: "Syntax" aside, you must admit that such Brother Veteran behavior is more than a bit uppity. Don't you think? After all, it's likely that there are predominantly (4-5-6 to 1 ratio) just as many REMF'S in all Veteran Organizations (Order of The Purple Heart excluded), as there normally are and have historically been in The Military.

On that: "HUNDREDS OF BILLION$ of additional taxes being ripped-off...", I was just sarcastically trying to make the point that no one except the politicos and/or lawyers involved seem to know where all those; "HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS" actually went or go to. What a shame.

I would think that given such a staggering amount, all cigarette related illness would be paid for entirely by both State and Federal governments. Wouldn't you think?
Regardless, don't hold your breath for such (no pun intended).

Neil

[kenmar]

<DIV>Neil, I agree that there is a skunk in the wood-pile when itcomes to the tobacco settlement.
Did you read where one of the tobacco states actually gave part of the settlement back to tobacco growers in theguise of some kind of farm aid !!!
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<DIV>Besides which,they (tobaccocompanies)willget back the fines they paid in a very short time with the price increases they put on cigarettes, and to add insultto injury,the states will make the smokers pay another unfair burden with their (the States)tax increases on the same Butts.
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<DIV>Somethings wrong when Enron can payzero taxes and all the grunts have to pay, in some states, 80 dollars a carton for cigarettes.
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<DIV>I know it's a choice thing for the smokers, but it's still WRONG !!!</DIV>

[kenmar]

<DIV>Forgot to add that I think all user-taxes are by nature regressive. It makes the poor and middle class pay a larger portion of their income toward taxesthan do those mega-buck-earning Mothers.
I seem to be getting kinda off the subject of this thread, but if I don't say it quick, I forget it. And I'd hate to leave something controversial unsaid. One moreprivilege of getting old. Well. actually I've probably been an ornerycurmudgeon all my life, why change now?</DIV>


<DIV></DIV>Ken

[Robert]

Permission to come aboard;
Served with Charlie Company, 1st Bat.1st Marines
Korea, 1953 to Feb. 54. On line for Out Post battles of '53, last action with Seventh Marines near OP Ava, and finally last night and day on Boulder City. Frequently missed but never hit.
Semper Fi ! :)

[the humper]

Hello, Jarhead. Was in the same unit in '51-2. lst squad MG's. And like you they missed me all but one time. Iwas glad if that's the word to be there when I was as opposed to you. At least we got to kick a few asses and during the period after leaving was a period I certainly wouldn't care to go thru. Sitting in a bunker and getting pounded. Going on those night patrols, not exactly my cup of tea. Also, the unit was Chestys' last regimental command before he made Brigadier.
SF
NC

[Robert]

Interesting coincidence. I was first squad light machineguns squad leader.And if you are under the impression that we didn't kick some ass in '53, read Ballengers book, The Final Crucible, Marines in Korea 1953. The bunkers didn't hold up to well when the Chinese got serious. I've read of your Marines actions in '51-52. Well done Marine!
Semper Fi !

[Wazza]

Ken, Neil or Keith,

Looked in the down-under dictionary and was found wanting.

Pray tell me, what is an ornery curmudgeon?

[the humper]

My post was incomplete. You had to kick their butts from a static position and also take what they sent at you. That's were I would have volunteered to come home. The only difference was we could move one mile, ten miles etc. I also, from 4-24-51 until leaving was the section and squad leader of the first section of MG's. Ask how that can happen? Easy, when you and one other are the only ones' left after a fire fight, very easily arranged. The rest in the lst and 2nd squad either K-or- WIA. One 14 hour period, the COMPANY had 110 WIA's and 20 KIA's.
SF
NC
p.s. I've read the material you referenced and still wouln't care to have been there when you had to be.

[Robert]

I know you guys had a tough row to hoe. Few people alive today are aware of the price we paid and are still paying.I was extreemly fortunate. Blown out of the same hole twice, replacing a broken extractor under intense mortar and machinegun fire from two maxims, during a platoon raid on hill 120, and some how managing to knock out both machineguns while suffering only a bloody nose and a bleeding ear. Being tasked latter to counter-attack with my battalion to retake Reno after it was lost by the Turks, with little hope of survival in that cauldron, only to have the attack cancelled by the 25th Div. C.G. A grevious tactical error, that cost toksan Marine lives but probably saved my ass. Want to talk about guilt feelings. It.s been a heavy load, along with not being wounded and surviving. Didn't mean to go there, but there it is.
Semper Fi !

[the humper]

As you well know, you don't live alone with those type feelings! And for some, THEY DON'T GO AWAY!!!!! And as you said, they are tokson, not scoshe!!!!!
SF
NC

[kenmar]

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<H4>Dictionaries define curmudgeon as a churlish, irascible fellow; a cantankerous old codger. </H4>
<H4>The origin of the word is unknown, but it might come from an old Scottish word that meant "murmur" or "mumble," or from the French coeur mechant, "evil heart." </H4>
<H4>The archaic definition made it a synonym for miser, and the word has had recent currency in a somewhat milder connotation, to describe a not entirely unlikable grouch.</H4>
<H4>A curmudgeon's reputation for malevolence is undeserved. They're neither warped nor evil at heart. They don't hate mankind, just mankind's excesses. </H4>
<H4>They're just as sensitive and soft-hearted as the next guy, but they hide their vulnerability beneath a crust of misanthropy. They ease the pain by turning hurt into humor. </H4>
<H4>They snarl at pretense and bite at hypocrisy out of a healthy sense of outrage. </H4>
<H4>They attack maudlinism because it devalues genuine sentiment. They hurl polemical thunderbolts at middle-class values and pop culture in order to preserve their sanity. </H4>
<H4>Nature, having failed to equip them with a serviceable denial mechanism, has endowed them with astute perception and sly wit. Offense is their only defense. </H4>
<H4>Their weapons are irony, satire, sarcasm, ridicule. Their targets are pretense, pomposity, conformity, incompetence. And they'll tell you that their targets are everywhere and multiplying like Smurfs. </H4>
<H4>Curmudgeons are mockers and debunkers whose bitterness is a symptom rather than a disease. They can't compromise their standards and can't manage the suspension of disbelief necessary for feigned cheerfulness. </H4>
<H4>Their awareness is a curse; they're constantly ticked off because they're constantly aware of so much to be ticked off about, and they wish things were better. </H4>
<H4>Perhaps curmudgeons have gotten a bad rap in the same way that the messenger is blamed for the message. They have the temerity to comment on the human condition without apology. They not only refuse to applaud mediocrity, they howl it down with morose glee. </H4>
<H4>Their versions of the truth unsettle us, and we hold it against them, even though they often temper it with humor.</H4>
<H4>Curmudgeons are like Sumo wrestlers; it takes a long time and a lot of abuse to make one; curmudgeons are also like writers: you're a curmudgeon only when someone else says you're a curmudgeon. </H4>
<H4>Curmudgeonry is a perfectly valid response to an increasingly exasperating world. </H4></CENTER>

[Drywall]

Sign me up in the curmudgeon club.

[kenmar]

Quote: "Curmudgeons are also like writers: you're a curmudgeon only when someone else says you're a curmudgeon"



OK! ......Drywall, your a Curmudgeon:D