It looks like we are heading for a police state

[blues clues]

now bush and Ashcrof are wanting the people to start spying on one another and calling a 800 number to tell the FBI BIG BROTHER is here alive and well. Myself as a veteran who has fought for this country if my reading of history is right this about the same thing that Adolf Hitler did in the thirty's now before everyone comes down on me this is just the way I'm seeing things,and the last time i looked the Bill of Rights haven't been done away with yet but isn't anyone out there even the least bit worryed about this in the name of safty.I'm one who will not follow this crowd with my eye's closed. :a:
razz

[judyvillecco]

See my posting on Censorship if you don't think I'm worried. I am with you but be careful Blues. Yes I'm real worried. :d:

[SuperScout]

Don't you think that you might possibly be misreading both the letter and the spirit of the proposed action? Can't you discern the distinction between being observant about someone's suspicious behavior, and a neighbor's innocent activities? If someone was cooking up a batch of speed, do you think that you'd be a Big Brother snoop if you reported his illegal acts? And what specifically were you referring to in the Bill of Rights? :confused:

[Keith_Hixson]

Hey Scout - You are right on.

I believe that's what they are saying: Is be aware of the possible terrorist activity and report it.

A good friend of my was taking commercial flight training down in Florida the same time that the radical Muslims were taking their training. He was with a different school but the school the terrorist were attending was next door. They didn't do anything illegal but, something just wasn't right. They didn't mix with any of the other pilots so everyone was a little concerned about what they were up to. Well we now know. When you live in a world with possible terrorist activity keep your ears and eyes open. Thats all they were saying.

If you see someone cooking up speed, report it. If you think someone maybe up to terrorist activity let the Police check it out. That all that was being said. I think you read the wrong message into it.

Keith

[judyvillecco]

Well Keith I cannot contact you because I'm having problems with my messages

[Bernadette]

There is no one with the name liberty or liberty-something even registered on this website, making your claim impossible.

[Stick]

To my knowledge the only people that can edit or delete your post are the moderators, the original poster and possibly David and Bern. Speaking for myself I have never deleted any of your post. I have on occasion corrected spelling on some post and done away with some really offensive language but the post stand as they are written. If you believe that a post has been wrongly deleted or edited please let David, Bern or I know by way of a PM. The Patriot Files site thrives on its participants words and post.

[blues clues]

It's called the Nationial Protection Plan
Scout no I didn't misread it and it was also on the news last night so I didn't mishear it eather, when they the Government say's they want people like the mailman,cable guy, and meter readers you know people to who come in your house to look for suspicious activites if that dosen't worry you then there is nothing i can say to change your mind it worrys the living hell out of me! what this AG is trying to do is get all of us to spy on one another, and yes if I see someone cooking up dupe I'll be the first one to turn them. But if we start seeing terrorist under every rock then the terrorist have won! So all I can say is not to make anybody mad that comes to your house because you just might be on the FBI watch list and there is not one damn thing you do about it.
razz
from my cold dead hands

[Lady Creffield]

Could you look it up and cite some sources, if possible? If the National Protection Plan really mentions having mailmen and meter readers search your house against your will, I'll eat my...*casts eyes about* keyboard cover.

Do they tell us to peek through binoculars from strategic corners at our neighbors? Are they telling us to pat down every suspicious looking individual we meet in the streets? Once again, this seems to be paranoia, plain and simple. Vigilance is imperative, and cynicism keeps it real, but one cannot live perpetually on guard for imagined dangers.

I would also like to add that there is no Constitutional right to privacy, contrary to popular belief.

Thomas Jefferson said, ""Those who would sacrifice their liberty for security deserve neither," and it's a card often played against the argument for an increased awareness of potentially dangerous behavior around us. But it works both ways: Would you leave liberty as an ideology unguarded merely for the sake of your own privacy?

Think about it; I don't really want a flood of billingsgate in reply and don't want to cause undue tension between us.

~Lady Creffield

[MORTARDUDE]

AHA !!!! 15 ... ok


billingsgate

NOUN: Harsh, often insulting language: abuse, contumely, invective, obloquy, railing, revilement, reviling, scurrility, scurrilousness, vituperation. See PRAISE.

Billingsgate (London).

Gate = quay, and bellan is to bawl or bellow. This quay is so called from the shouting of the fishermen in trying to attract attention and vend their fish. 1
That?s Billingsgate. Vulgar and coarse, like the manners and language of Billingsgate fish-fags. 2
?Parnassus spoke the cant of Billingsgate.?


Dryden: Art of Poetry, c. 1.

To talk Billingsgate, i.e. to slang, to scold in a vulgar, coarse style. 3
You are no better than a Billingsgate fish-fag, i.e. you are as rude and ill-mannered as the women of Billingsgate fish-market. The French say ?Maubert? instead of Billingsgate, as Your compliments are like those of the Place Maubert, i.e. no compliments at all, but vulgar dirt-flinging. The ?Place Maubert? has long been noted for its market. 4

Gotcha !!



Larry

[MORTARDUDE]

"Constitutional Right to Protection of Privacy"

By Ralph S. Curtis

In recent years, I have seen the constitutional right to privacy referred to with increasing frequency in legal matters. Perhaps this is because, as our society grows and becomes more complex, individual rights are more affected by others and it becomes more important to be able to protect one's privacy.
In California, there is a right to privacy set forth in Article I of our Constitution. This is unlike the federal Constitution, where privacy rights have been implied by the courts but never actually stated in the document.

The California Constitution states: "All people are by nature free and independent and have inalienable rights. Among these are enjoying and defending life and liberty, acquiring, possessing, and protecting property, and pursuing and obtaining safety, happiness, and privacy."

Privacy was added to the constitution by an amendment approved by the voters in 1972. An election brochure published in support of the amendment stated that it was necessary because government snooping and data collecting was threatening traditional freedoms.

Reference was made to what was then a new practice of computerizing records. The brochure noted that there were no restraints on information gathering by government and businesses. People were losing control over the accuracy of records being kept and often did not even know that records existed. The brochure said that unnecessary stockpiling and misuse of information should be prevented. Courts have referred to that election brochure to assist in determining the intent of the voters when they passed the amendment.

The right to privacy has been asserted in California in many areas. Initially, it was applied to police surveillance activities in university classrooms. In the case of White v. Davis, a lawsuit was filed to prevent the Los Angeles police department from sending officers posing as students into classes at UCLA. The officers were "gathering intelligence" on the discussions in the classrooms.

The Supreme Court held that such activity was an example of a threat to personal privacy contrary to the constitution.

The right to privacy has also served to protect against mandatory lie detector tests used as part of the hiring process by some employers. It has prevented disclosure of employees' personnel records except in limited cases and has limited the use of medical records without the consent of the patient.

It has also been involved in issues relating to abortion and a person's right to die. In one case, a California appellatecourt held that a competent adult patient with an incurable illness had the right to have life-support equipment disconnected. The court stated that the right to privacy gives an individual the freedom to reject intrusions into his or her body.

I expect that as society grows more complex, our constitutional right to privacy will become ever more important as a safeguard of our individual freedoms.

[judyvillecco]

Larry
You are so right. This is such an important issue. it's even more important our kids learn about the Constitution in school. My kids and grandkids and even my younger sister didn't learn it like we did and don't have a clue what we know. It's scarey because in their hands go our future.I tried to stress the importance to them but when they aren't learning it in school because of all this political rewriting and correctness, we get the comments like above. Maybe some of us older ones do get too hung up on this but this is a big deal.

[MORTARDUDE]

what part of London, U.K. are you from ? You wouldn't be a Cockney would you ? Why not fill out the rest of your profile ? Have had a lot of problems with some folks from overseas ( Staff HQ, WAZZA, SweetSue, etc.. ).. they finally wind up insulting us and going off with their tail tucked neatly under their hind parts.......Just curious ...


Larry

[Lady Creffield]

"Gotcha" ? Doing what, pray tell?

I like some of the phrasing and idioms in Queen's English, and yes, it manages to infiltrate my every-day speech, but no, I don't live in England. I have the great fortune to live in Oregon, under Ted Kulongoski and his shameless butt-kissing of the radical feminists so he can stay in power. :md: If you insist, I'll fill out my profile. I just don't see the need to.

<EDIT:> P.S., I'm not 15. Check my profile again, my birthdate's there.

[BLUEHAWK]

I don't believe America will become a true "Police State" unless the power to elect representatives (i.e. the ones who enact the laws which police must then enforce) is further reduced. Closed primaries, gerrymandering and the electoral college have gone a long way toward eliminating the democracy we would like to think we have, however.
In a nation exceeding 250,000,000 gun-bearing population, some police presence is inevitable. American police agencies are enormous when you think about it. There is an incredible redundancy at federal, state and local governmental levels, and even private police forces everywhere we turn.
I believe that 99% of our police are decent brave people doing mundane and often dangerous dirty work 24 hours a day. It's that 1%, thusfar, who lose it or never should have been given it who give the rest of them a bad name.