The Moving Wall

[Andy]

On occasion I?ve read posts that indicate James? area of the country is considered a bit weird. I will not dispute there are some people with odd ideas that live on the left coast. However I?d like to present a little geographical balance to these discussions.
Recently, The Moving Wall came to our little city. It was a memorable site but we didn?t stay long. After about 15 minutes I needed to walk away and sit in the shade. It seemed like a wake for way too many people, way too many friends. But that?s not what I wanted to talk about.
A resident of our town, a college professor of History and Chairman of the town?s school board wrote an article for our local newspaper. Below are excerpts from that article. They are not taken out of context, just a taste of what professor Engle had to say.
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Wall Event Striking and Troubling:
There were lots of good intentions, hard work and community spirit invested in bringing The Moving Wall to Easthampton. But - at least form my perspective - a strangeness, a tension, an edge surrounded that event. I am thinking of the careful and delicate phrasing of the opening speeches; the state trooper in full uniform who brought the spirit of vaudeville to the national anthem; the epic poem filled with elaborate cosmic imagery. Even the military drills seemed oddly muted - one might even say half-hearted.

The unhappy truth is that there is no way to separate the deaths of all these young people from the nature of the war that took their lives, along with those of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese. But that is precisely what was being attempted - to honor and memorialize the dead without talking about or dealing with how and why they died. The result is an unsuccessful attempt at historical amnesia. The cold, hard fact is that the Vietnam War was a crime against humanity.
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The good professor goes on and on but you get the idea. He goes on and on about how our leaders and perhaps some of us were never put on trial for ?crimes against humanity?. Reading that article was a lot like being at the wake of a friend and someone saying the dead person deserved what they got.
If the Wall has been in your community or if it will visit in the future, hope you don?t have a professor Engle who has a direct line to your local newspaper. If that SOB dies before me, I plan on going to the funeral. After the eulogy I?m going to demand to do a rebuttal.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[1CAVCCO15MED]

This is a perfect example of someone thinks something so strongly that he twists his own reality to fit it. It's akin to paranoia in that he saw sinister subplots to simple reality. It shows how radicalism of any sort cannot exist unless it twists the truth to fit their preconcieved ideas.

[xgrunt]

I'll gladly buy you a bottle of your favorite bevarage so when the **** ******** **** SOB dies you can piss on his grave for me. Hell, Andy ,let me know when and I'll ride up and help water the fool's resting spot with ya. :D :D :cl:

[SEATJERKER]

...and allowed this "professor" to be the "speaker"...
...without any pretense of what he was going to speak about beforehand???
...Andy, don't make it any harder on yourself as babble is babble, ..

...Those of you that served in that far distant land deserve far better then words can discribe,...
... I'm glad you went for YOUR sake,...
... no one elses, just YOU, and I think that's the way the "Virtual Wall" was intended...

...Now sit back, and remember that your here to tell of the heroics of these men, and that that their memories will never falter...
...You, and all the rest of the Vietnam Veterans will bond even tighter in the coming years, and the truth will prevail...

...WELCOME HOME...

[Arrow]

That is a sad commentary. As to the experience with the moving wall here. I had a brother come up to me because I was standing away from it. Feeling as though I had no right to approach it and yet knowing that the man I loved was as dead from that war as those KIA. He noted that I was having a hard time. And put his arm around me and walked me down the length of it then took me over and sat me down with the rest of the brothers there. I can't tell you what they looked like to this day. Too many tears.

[phuloi]

Sorry to say,Andy,but your neck of the woods has definately got it`s share of kooks.Berkley/Cambridge same-same.This ass-hole professor was burning his draft card and planning his vacation in Canada while we were in-country..Troubling thing is that there`s lots more just like him in universities all across the land teaching our kids their bullshit values.I`m sorry he got to make his mark on your time of remembrance,Bro

[DMZ-LT]

Hell if he don't die soon, Frank , Sid and I and the other Psyco Vets will ride up and piss on him NOW ! Ain't no shortage of a$$holes out there both on the left and right coasts. Don't mean nothing - Welcome home, brothers :d:

[colmurph]

Revisionist History? I'll bet he spent the war years in Canada and returned under "Jiminy Cricket's" general amnesty. It gives me the incentive to outlive the SOB just so I can pour a bottle of good Scotch over his grave (once I've filtered it through my kidneys).

[Packo]

It is time for your rebuttal in the news paper. You have the wisdom, the wit, and the time to respond. DO IT!

Our trip to the wall in Easthampton was my last. Nothing to do with Easthampton or that asshole prof, just I've had enough of it. I'm just glad on my last trip to a moving or real wall, I was in the company of such fine men and women. Made my last time memorable.

I agree whole heartedly that the prof in question's attitude is far more the majority on any college campus in this country, saving the US Military Academies, VMI, and the Citidel. A sad state of affairs.

Packo

PS I hope if they come after me for being "a war criminal" he's the first one at the door. Anyone still want us to sign on to that stupid International, (UN), War Crimes Court or whatever the hell it is? You've just read from one of the judges.

[phuloi]

No lie,Buddy...I`m glad that Dubya opted us out of that mess.But it ain`t over yet,me thinks

[Andy]

Just today my article (front page) came out, it's titled, "Ailing vet navigates VA maze". A very positive pro-vet article. Would hate for anyone to get side tracked by my taking on the professor, again. The Wall and the VA are two seperate issues.

Had 3 phone calls from vets who are writing rebuttals, letters to the editor. In his article Mr. Engle says he was going to Canada but changed his mind at the last minute and allowed himself to be drafted, then disobeyed all orders. I've suggested to everyone that they may want to point out to this wacko that it's not too late to go to Canada. We might even be convinced to take up a collection.

HEY FRED: Did those pictures you took with the wide angle lens come out? And check your e-mail on this site.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[Gimpy]

You said this so-called professor works at a local college? Which one and do they have an e-mail address? Also, can you give us the name, address, telephone # and e-mail address of the newspaper that allowed this idiot to write that piece?

And, does the paper that did the article on you have a web site where we can read the entire article?

[Andy]

Professor Michael Engle has worked for at least the last 12 years at Westfield State College ( http://www.wsc.mass.edu/ ). I swear this is true, he has had a photo of Karl Marx hanging in his office, it may still be there. It's a good little school (got my Master's there), it's just the history department is a little left of center.

The local newspaper is one of the oldest in the country, Daily Hampshire Gazette. Richard Pearl, the guy who was murdered by the Pakies a few months ago started writing at the Gazette. Their address is 115 Conz St. Northampton Ma. 01061. The e-mail address is http://www.gazettenet.com/ If you'd like to see a bad picture of me and the article, go to that site, click off 07/25/02 and go to news - Ailing Vet. They have at least 15 phone numbers and I know I'd give you the wrong ones.

Gimp, just to explain. Engle sent a letter to the editor which was published. His direct line to the paper is the editoral page where such letters are published. Maybe one in 50 letters make it into the paper, but all of his do. He is, shall we say, popular within some circles. Of the rebuttal letters now being sent to the Gazette MAYBE one will be printed. You see, white males who served our country are a minority group which are generally looked down on. Unlike many minority groups, there's no one waving a flag for us.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[Arrow]

No one waving the flag for you? Maybe you are just livin in the wrong part of the country. It's hot as hell in Oklahoma in the middle of July but by God we got attitude and that's why I love it here. We have some rompin' stompin' cowboys that have made it on the music scene that don't give a damn about professor/Peter Jennings media types. Thank you Toby Keith, Garth Brooks, Merle Haggard for given a voice to us "dumb okies"...feel free to come on down we still got room..

[Andy]

Thanks for the offer. Who is Toby Keith? Merle Haggard give me hayfever. No, we should stay right here. If we have another revolution I want to be fairly close to Boston Harbor. There are lots of things (and a few people) I'd like to throw into it.

The first time we threw tea into the harbor, along with a little cream and some sweet and low and things worked out pretty well. Next time it will be CEO's, professors and lawyers.

I've heard folks say that you are just a suburb of Texas. Isn't that true?

Stay healthy, thanks for the thought,
Andy
PS: We do wave our own flags, it's just not something done much by politico's or news agencies.

[judyvillecco]

Phone numbers for Westfield State College Public Affairs Office is 413-572-5208 The President's Office is 572-5200 and the Veterans affairs office who probably won't be responsive is 572-5446. i'd start complaints at the President's office.

[Gimpy]

This jerk has DEFINATELY "rung my bell" and he's gonna think the "whole worlds raining hell down on HIM" by the time I get through with him!

[phuloi]

GIVE `M HELL,GIMP!

[Andy]

Give him hell, but just remember, if enough sh!t comes down he'll probably get a raise. It's like that here.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[MORTARDUDE]

I wish all the 6,000,000 South East Asian dead's ghosts from 1945-1975 could visit him all at once to find out who the "real war criminals " were. As I recall our Congress reneged on its promises to its allies. Are they "war criminals" too ??? Let me know if and when he passes on. I will send you something to put on his grave also.

Larry

[Gimpy]

Just sent the following letter to Westfield State College and the Easthampton Gazette. More coming later!

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To whom it may concern,

I recently read excerpts from an op-ed piece written by a professor Mike Engle for a local newspaper in Easthampton, Mass. His statements regarding his perception(s) of the Moving Wall ceremony honoring military personnel killed during the Vietnam War held in Easthampton last week have left me disgusted, disappointed and angry as hell.

He states,

"The unhappy truth is that there is no way to separate the deaths of all these young people from the nature of the war that took their lives, along with those of hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese. But that is precisely what was being attempted - to honor and memorialize the dead without talking about or dealing with how and why they died. The result is an unsuccessful attempt at historical amnesia. The cold, hard fact is that the Vietnam War was a crime against humanity.", end quote.

It's my understanding that Mr. Engle is a professor of "history" at a local college. If so, then I must say that his "version" of that "unhappy truth" he so comtemptously relates to is no more than ANOTHER "crime against humanity"! One problem of the so-called "academic" minority is that THEY have the ability to "teach" (and preach) their "version(s)" to a large number of our impressionable and unknowing youth. When "versions" such as Mr. Engles are perveted and convoluted with their OWN less than "objective" viewpoints of which he appears to have limited, conclusive and expert "evidence" to base his assumptions on are published, it is nothing more than a "crime" in itself!

Hell, ALL WAR in and of itself can be described in one way or another as a "crime against humanity"!

For him to suggest that there should be "discussions" at functions such as these to "deal with how and why they died" is nothing but HOGWASH and clearly an attempt on his part to "politicize" his apparent "socialist" leaning version of his OWN "historical amnesia"!

Just WHO IN THE HELL are YOU---Mister Engle---to tell ME, or anyone else for that matter (UNLESS you were THERE), H-O-W we should "deal with" those young heros and HOW they should be honored and/or remembered!

I do suppose YOU would have some "honorable" words to share with us all at the funeral of Jane Fonda however, HUH?

Steve Johnson
A Company, 2nd Battalion, 60th Brigade, 9th Infantry Division
Vietnam 1967

[phuloi]

EXCELLENT JOB,GIMPY!

[Keith_Hixson]

Leftest Intellectual an oxymoron?

Keith

[Andy]

I loved the letter. Have you ever spent any time in a court room? Really, it was well done.

Just a note on my own situation. Got a call from an aid to Senator John Kerry. Seems the senator was shown my newspaper article. He asked his aid to ask me to send him a request for assistance and a release for my medical records. According to Mike, the aid, Kerry was mad as hell. This can't be a bad thing.

You all stay healthy,
Andy

[DMZ-LT]

Way to go Andy ! Just read your newspaper article and have written to Mr. Crowley thanking him for the article and the start of finding justice. Kerry on your side can't hurt - then again neither can the support of the brothers here, which you know got you covered. Still pissed about the" Viet Nam war was a crime against humanity " but that's another story . You got a lot of covering fire - now we all got to keep movin till we reach the objective of fairness and justice. Joan says hey to Chris. Proud to " know" you. Welcome Home to all the brothers !

[Gimpy]

You're right, this HAS to be a "good thing"! It's my understanding that Senator Kerry is in a "pissing contest" now with VA Secretary Principi over the fact that he (Prinicipi) has directed all VISN's (Intergrated Sevice Networks) to STOP all inductions and recruitments of newly eligible veterans for the VA helath care system due to the "budget crisis". Looks like he's going to help you and every other veteran he can. Good luck and remember us when you've got your name in "lights" old friend.

Thanks for the kind words about that letter regarding M. Engle. I'm not through with that jerk yet!

[xgrunt]

with the President's secretary[at the college] and was told the Prez was on vacation. I explained the reasons for my out rage over the remarks in the paper and wanted to know if that was what he was teaching his students. It is a state funded school. She took my name and phone number and said the Prez would return my call. We'll see. Andy it really sounds like things are going your way and I'm really glad for you. With Kerry making a run[possibly] for the Presidency in 2004 being on the vets side is not only the decent and proper thing to do but BOY that could be some voting bloc he could win to his side. Take care, my friend.Frank

[sfc_darrel]

Principi can use the same authority to tighten access, probably for veterans not yet in the system, starting with Category 7 vets, those who are not poor and have no service-related ailments. He also wants to prioritize care among current enrollees, by "triaging" enrollees so those who are service-connected disabled move to the front of appointment schedules.

"Our demand has exploded," said Principi, a combat-decorated Vietnam veteran. "They are knocking our doors down."

One reason is the open enrollment which can lead to free or deeply discounted medications. Another factor is that the VA has transformed itself in recent years into a community-based health care system with more than 850 clinics across the country, thereby broadening access to care.

Even as the overall veteran population falls, down five million since 1980, demand for VA healthcare soars. In 1995, VA hospitals and clinics treated 2.5 million veterans. Last year, the number patients hit 4.2 million. Total veterans "enrolled" in VA healthcare is 6.6 million and rising. Not all of them have sought or received VA care. In fact, gaining access takes more than a year in some areas, Principi said.

Still, the wait can be worthwhile, for the pharmacy benefit alone. Once seen by a VA physician, veterans can get prescriptions filled for free if they earn less than $24,000 or have service-connected conditions. All other veterans pay a $7 co-payment for a 30-day supply.

"You could be the wealthiest of the wealthy," said Principi. "And believe me we have millionaires who come to the VA for healthcare. They don't want to pay $500 to $600 a month for prescription drugs."

In a letter to Rep. Lane Evans (D-Ill.), ranking Democrat on the House Veterans Affairs Committee, Principi said more than 132,000 veterans are on waiting lists just to request physician care. Once appointments are set, waiting times of six months or more are common.

Because all veterans now have equal access, many of those most deserving, the combat-disabled, are just part of the crowd, often waiting months for VA care, like everyone else.

The problem is open enrollment.

"It's an oxymoron," he said, because it limits, rather than improves, access to care for many disabled vets.

[ArtySgt]

Andy, Damned good to hear you are getting some attention. Shame it had to come to this to get it thow. Good luck and God bless you.

[Andy]

DMZ-LT: Thanks for writing Dan Crowley. I think I mentioned his dad was with the 4th Division and the kid is very pro-vet. He e-mailed me today to say he?s received numerous phone calls and e-mails, all pats on the back. Chris tips his cap to Joan, same mud, same blood. And by the way, pride - being proud of knowing others, that?s a two way street.

Gimpy: In the paper tonight there is an article regarding Kerry and Principi going toe to toe over veterans care. It?s possible Kerry is looking at me and those of my ilk as ammo to go after Principi and ultimately G.W. An interesting note in the article, Congress has okayed a 417 million dollar increase in money to the VA. G.W. is now asking that amount be increased to 1.5 billion. Could it be that things are looking up?
By the way, I?m not sure Prof Engle is just a socialist, honestly I think he is a pacifist, Marxist. Just my opinion.

Frank: Last year around this time a professor John Ellis of Mt. Holyoke College for Women was suspended for one year from teaching at that school. You may remember the story. He taught what was considered the ultimate class on the Vietnam War. He claimed he was drafted, became an officer and spent a year in Nam with the 101st and saw it all. Then came home to ?lead? the anti-war movement. Ellis even received a Pulitzer prize for a book he wrote. Turns out Ellis was drafted but spent his enlistment in far off New York State. What was so unusual about Ellis is that he was caught AND punished.
Remember Abby Hoffman and Tom Haden? they have been guest speakers at several area colleges including the U. of Mass. (That was put on by the history department of course.) 25 years ago I had a professor at U. Mass who said Mai Lai was a common occurrence. We got into a few loud discussions about the conduct of the war and his sources of information.

There are a lot of professor Engle?s around here and most of us have come to expect their diatribes. What set me off was his timing and his using the Wall as a back drop for his agenda.
I still recall my older son taking a class in 7th grade about the mid-1800s in America. He got an ?A? on his Civil War test and knew all about Harriet Tubman but when I asked, had no idea who General Longstreet or Pickett were. I expect that in 20 years when they change American currency, Susan Anthony and George Washington Carver will be on the 5 & 10 dollar bills.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[RobH]

Ladies and Gentlemen..... I might suggest that there is a far better way to alleviate the obvious problem that the erstwhile professor suffers from..... While he obviously believes in "revisionist history".....he can be shown the error of his ways..

Gotta be a herd of VietNam Veterans and other Veterans in that ville.... How about having a large number of them sign up for the class...or "audit it". It would provide the "perfect" inroad to allow for the "discussions" he so enjoys.

What could possibly be more fun and fitting than to have a significant number of Veterans.....all wearing some form of Military Insignia....sitting in his classes from day one of the semester.....

Further....you could also consider taking really, really copious and accurate notes...and after you find the error in the "course that he is teaching" you can bring the fallacies to the attention of the President of the University and demand that he force the professor to cease and desist in teaching false history. Also, if necessary....talk to a lawyer about filing a lawsuit to prevent the little marxist shit from spreading his skewed and highly political bullshit on unsuspecting young people.

We had a school teacher down here in FL who was anti-war and was preaching his politics to the students.....and when the parents found out....all hell broke loose. The teacher fought back, but as I recall.....he is unemployed now. And it was all brought about by "the people". It wasn't only parents that landed in the school board.......one rather large number of Veterans of all wars made their feelings clear.

Good Luck and keep us posted.

[vetgirl]

Best idea I ever heard

[RobH]

:D I have always felt that the best "defense" (not that we need one) is a strong offense!! I have had several :re: occasions in the past 32 years to set the record straight with regards to Vietnam, and the fact that we were NOT "babykillers" wantonly wandering about the countryside like Herod's troops slaying babies.

I wish I was in that neck of the woods.....I could probably engage him in a "discussion" or two that would both frost his chops and set him straight. He can, insofar as I am concerned rail all he wants at the federal government.....but when he sets out to denigrate people like myself and other denizens of this board and all of our Fallen Brothers.....that in and of itself is a whole 'nother ball game, and something I will not tolerate!!

I did not always agree with the politics of the situation there, but by God......I took an oath and swore to do the duty of a soldier, and I did what I was called upon to do by my country. I made a choice and I served my country "Honorably" and I have four DD-214's to prove it!!

Thanks again...

[Boats]

The Moving Wall;

I saw it about three or four years ago here in Chicago Heights, IL. I never went to the one in DC still planning to go one of these days.

Took the wife with me and it was about dusk when we got there the guard had lit several candles and the tables were lined up with several people going over the books.

We had our names (my Bud's and my wifes school friends) ready to go. When we found them we both were overwhelmed by the sudden memories that rushed in. George Yocum my best school friend was listed there and I remembered all the days we would try to sneak his Dad's liquor in his house. His Mom (blinded from giving birth to one of his sisters) could here us removing the top of the cap off the bottle and always yelled "George I'm telling your Father".

George was on perimeter one night and got taken out. His Dad wrote me to ask what had happen? I said I wasn't with George so I can really say. When I came home on leave I went to visit his Dad (whose hair was stone white now) and we talked about the days before any of this VN stuff ever happen.

He wasn't bidder he was sad to loose his only son but proud that his son did his part. How can you ask for more than that to take his only son. My eyes water if I think about it too long. There are many stories we could all tell but growing up with someone only to loose them in a war is really hard at times.

I haven't seen George's Dad in a long long time I don't even know if he's still alive but I miss George and the other's we've all lost as I'm sure one of more them could have made a difference.

I regret many things. People ask me (us) why we went (I volunteered) and why things turned out like they did? I don't know - I just know that George and all the other's that died did so for some bigger reason than I could figure out.

Would I do it again? With great thought I'd say yes because everyone else that I knew went and would do so again. I think its because they were contributing to something I didn't understand made me join and go. Who in there right mind would volunteer for VN? I did. Why? Because that's were the action was and I can't make it any different than that. Yes I'd go back and do it all over again. I doubt I'd make a difference but I'd try.

[Andy]

You sound a lot like me regarding Vietnam and the Wall. Your friend George, try to find his parents. It might be hard but give it your best shot.

My best friend, Jack Rabideau was killed in '67, I got to Vietnam two and a half months later and spent quite a while there. When I got home I couldn't bring myself to visit Jack's parents. After almost 25 years it dawned on me I felt guilty that he got killed and not me. By then it was too late. His father a WWII vet had killed himself and his mother was in a "home" and didn't recognize her own sister. I could have been their surrogate son, or at least a reminder of better times. If they had been angry about his death - at least we could have talked.

In recent years I've spoken to the family members of other home town boys who were killed in Nam. Everytime I've left, folks always say "Thank you". Those two little words ease some of the pain.

Matter of fact, my best friend in Vietnam, who was killed in Jan. of '68 lived in Tenn. Been trying to contact his family for about a year. At least I could tell some humorous war stories and if necessary explain why it had to be a closed coffin. I'm sure my parents and sisters would have wanted to know anything and everything they could.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[Boats]

Andy,

I appreciate your words of wisdom. George's coffin was also closed for reasons we won't go into. You know I tried to find Georges family but they've since moved on and when the girls got married they drop their father's last name - so it becomes almost impossible to find any woman folk.

[Seascamp]

Apparently the Prof thinks too much. If and when he peals back the multiple layers of sheep skin from his eyes, sees the bright light of day, breathes some air other than his own he?ll stop thinking so much. He ought to meander on down to Stone Mountain, Georgia, and have a look at that war memorial. That?s really something to see and he?d probably have a conniption fit over it all and think himself into a frazzle of melted butter.

One of my favorite contemporary movies is called ?Empire of the Sun? and is the saga of a young British boy that got caught up in the Japanese invasion of China. Towards the end of the movie the boy, Jim, kinda looses it and a medical Doctor says, ?You think too much Jim, stop thinking Jim, stop thinking?. So I guess I?d pass that sage advise on to the Prof. But I suppose he?d have to think about that for a long time so it would do no good at all.

Scamp
:D

[Boats]

If the Prof had been there he might be able to have some input otherwise he's talking out of his as_.

[39mto39g]

#2

[WateringHole]

WWII ace pilot Greg "Pappy" Boyington who was awarded the Navy Cross and MOH got some bad things said about him earlier this year at Univ Washington by a few students after it was decided to build a monument to him.
One student said "we don't need anymore monuments built at U of W glorifying another Rich White Man", another student said "we don't need to build a statue of someone who got famous for killing". If I'm not mistaken, I believe Pappy graduated from U of W in 1934.
The director of the student organization these two students belong to went on a local radio talk show and apologize for the degrading remarks his members made and went as far as saying he was as much appalled as everyone else was.

[exlrrp]

Originally posted by Andy On occasion I?ve read posts that indicate James? area of the country is considered a bit weird. Andy

Andy
Its not the area thats weird, its just the people.
But I have abandoned Berkeley as a place to live and moved to the northern hinterlands--Oregon. I like Oregon, its got a bunch of gun toting liberals like myself.
Berkeley is too old as a punching bag, all the students there obediently line up now, every conservatives dream.

Was the Vietnam War a war against humanity? Well, if not, what exactly WAS it a war against? The Vietnamese didn't count as "humanity?"The victims sure looked human to me, what was left of them, but I may have been up too close to get a good look.
All wars are wars against humanity because its humans the war is directed against. One mans war for liberation is another man's war against humanity.
And as for crimes against humanity, well heck I participated in running people out of their houses and burning them down, later this area ( the Song Ve ) was made into a freefire zone and anything moving was supposed to be killed. This was(and is) against the Geneva Conventions although that doesn't seem to mean much nowadays. OUr batt recon team, the Tigers, came along behind killing anyone that wanted to stay--this may have amounted to hundreds. The battalion commanding oficer was aware this was happening and did nothing about it and there was a huge coverup afterwards. Anyone want to debate this happened? I'll read it to you right out of the books--and the oficial record.
More to the point, I saw whole villages flattened by air and artillery when fire came from there. Think everyone in those villes was culpable VC?
So you other people can claim the USA Army doesn't do crimes against humanity but I know better--seen em doing it and participated, although in a minor role as possible.
What happened in the Song Ve in 67 was instrumental in my becoming a lrrp.

What does it really matter what some pinhead professor says anyway?
Glad to see you back Andy, missed you down in GA this spring. You got to come out and see my place in OR,we'll do some shooting.

Stay good
James

PS By the way Keith, "liberal intellectual " may be an oxymoron in some circles but the term "conservative intellectual" is never heard in ANY circle.l

[Robert Ryan]

When you put in his name for a search of the staff, it comes up saying name not found. The traveling wall helped me heal, so this idiot knows nothing about the traveling wall, or what Vietnam was or wasn't. Can't even access an e-amil adress for him, the e-mail address above is the home page for the college. You need a pin to send e-mails to a staff member.