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Gimpy
03-22-2004, 07:52 AM
Talk about a "hypocrite"? Dick Cheney just last week jumped all over John Kerry for his apparent reluctance to give out the names of foreign sources for his comment regarding some leaders of foreign nations not wanting Bush to get re-elected.

Yet this fugitive from the facts has YET to release the names of individuals within the Energy Industry he met with PRIVATELY to establish the Bush Administrations so-called "Energy Policy"...........so I suppose it's OK for HIM to "withold" information (even though he has been ORDERED by Federal Courts to give up this info and he has appealed it to the Supreme Court!), but NOT John Kerry???

What a freakin HYPOCRITE!

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Refusing to recuse
A Times Editorial

Published March 21, 2004

Justice Antonin Scalia's 21-page explanation of why he refuses to recuse himself from a case involving Vice President Dick Cheney after the two of them went duck-hunting proves that justice is more deaf than blind.

Scalia acknowledged the blizzard of negative newspaper editorials and the "embarrassing criticism" suggesting that his trip with Cheney creates an appearance of potential bias, but he concluded that it's a bunch of hooey, or as he put it "a blast of largely inaccurate and uninformed opinion."

To demonstrate there was nothing unusual or untold about his and Cheney's outing, Scalia reached back into American history to offer up numerous examples of chumminess among Washington's elite. For example: President Rutherford B. Hayes would host Justice John Marshall Harlan and his wife at the White House for a hymn-fest. "A rule that required members of this court to remove themselves from cases in which the official actions of friends were at issue would be utterly disabling," Scalia wrote.

He said because Cheney was not being sued personally, but as an official of government, there is no reason to step aside.

The tin-eared Scalia is very good at rationalizing his behavior but not at hearing the well-grounded concerns of his critics. This case is not just about Cheney as a representative of government. It involves his personal conduct relative to secret meetings held with energy industry insiders. The Sierra Club and Judicial Watch have filed suit seeking information on the participants in Cheney's energy task force. A lower court has already ruled against him, and now the Supreme Court will make the final judgment. If Cheney wins in a close vote, with Scalia on his side, the public will be left to wonder whether the trip to the Louisiana hunting camp, with Scalia traveling there on Cheney's plane, had any influence on the outcome.

It doesn't matter if Scalia believes he can be impartial despite his coziness with Cheney. What matters is whether the trip disturbs the confidence people have in the fairness of the upcoming proceedings. That alone is reason enough for Scalia to recuse himself.

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St Petersburg Times
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BLUEHAWK
03-23-2004, 05:08 PM
Gotta admit, this one probably shouldn't pass the "smell test"... on the other hand, ALL administrations cut these type of deals... not only is this the "American" way, it is the way of all government... so we were taught by Machiavelli.

Reckon they are a corporation with all powerful right to make such laws as might be most likely to benefit themselves?

Gimpy
03-23-2004, 06:04 PM
definately "STINKS" to the high heavens alright!

:md:

SuperScout
03-24-2004, 07:14 AM
Be careful what you ask for, (or in Gimpy's case, DEMAND, POUND the TABLE, and generally act with the predictable pseudo-offended party mindset). If recusal is being discussed, how about recusing ol' Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, nominated by President Clinton, to disqualify herself from abortion-related cases because of her suspected ties to the pro-choice NOW Legal Defense and Education Fund.

It is well known that NOW Legal Defense engages in active lobbying on behalf of pro-abortion activists and regularly submits briefs to the Supreme Court in a variety of cases. For that matter, the NOW Legal Defense Web site home page highlights Justice Ginsburg's speaking engagements and even pictures her next to the organization's president, Kathy Rodgers.

One could justificably argue that objectivity is long since last on people that hold such anti-life positions such as Ginsburg. Such a relationship casts serious doubts on the impartiality that is so important in judicial matters.

Gimpy
03-24-2004, 08:07 AM
that Super is as good as Scalia attempts to be at "rationalizing" things to his ill-conceived, contorted advantage.

And I quote the article, "The tin-eared Scalia is very good at rationalizing his behavior but not at hearing the well-grounded concerns of his critics. This case is not just about Cheney as a representative of government. It involves his personal conduct relative to secret meetings held with energy industry insiders."...end quote!

I don't believe there is any relevant "comparison" that could be drawn between a Judge who publically and privately has truthfully expressed her "beliefs" in abortion as it is now defined by the laws of the land, or with an executive of an organization that promotes this position.

Has this lady held "secret" meetings that have or could affect the outcome of a national policy which could have the potential to cause a disatrous impact on every single consumer and their families income as it relates to "energy consumption & pricing" now and in the future, or any other "costs related" item that would affect all consumers??...............

I don't think the two "issues" are even CLOSE in comparison. I don't believe this "lady" is in a position of authority within the Government that could have the same "affect" on a National policy by using her "asscociation" (as limited as it may be, BTW) to any advantage that compares with the "association" evident between Cheney and the "Energy Chiefs" he has secretly held meetings with, of which could have disastrous economic consequences on all consumers!

Anyway, like I said before.............. Justice Ginsburgs "opinion" on the abortion issue is, and has been well documented and is no way comparable to the current issue at hand.

SuperScout
03-24-2004, 09:23 AM
There is a vast difference between the judicially approved practice of executive privilege, as asserted by the Vice President, and campaign utterances, as babbled by John Kerry. And truth be known, any statement by Antonin Scalia carries much more credibility than any statement by John Kerry.

If Justice Ginsburg is cozy with the muckiky-mucks of the abortion crowd, it certainly is relevant if a case involving abortion is brought before the Court. Moral consequence, i.e., those decisions regarding the taking of life, are just as significant, if not more so, than national policies regarding energy; without our moral compass, which has been floundering of late, all the other decisions become sputterings in the grand scheme of things. What will be interesting is to see her position, action, or recusal, when the partial-birth abortion law comes up for judicial review.

Gimpy
03-24-2004, 01:40 PM
From a whitehouse and political party that has used more deception and broken more promises to the citizens of this country than any other in modern history?? Gimmie a break!

Executive privilege my old country boy a$$!

Cheney has ALREADY lost that "arguement ***TWICE*** at the lower Federal Court level, AND the Federal Appeals Court for gosh sakes?

He's just hoping and praying that his radical right-wing, partner in deception on the Supreme Court will "bail" his a$$ out! So they can continue their wicked and greedy ways!

SuperScout
03-24-2004, 02:38 PM
We'll see!