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Arrow
01-21-2005, 10:16 PM
agent orange-blue water navy vets

From:mikeleach@yahoo.com (EMAIL=mikeleach@yahoo.com)
Date: 22 May 2004

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I recently learned that Australian Veterans Affairs conducted study that verified that all their blue-water navy veterans were exposed to Agent Orange Dioxin via the co-distillation of water aboard ship. go to search engine and enter co-distillation and it will pull up the report of 7 pages in length. I have taken report to University of Utah Chemistry department and they have conducted tests using same methods and confirmed that co-distillation of water containing agent orange magnifies the toxicity level several thousand times. This is why the navy blue water vets are experiencing so many of the diseases associated with agent orange. We drank the water aboard ship, our food was prepared with it, we showered in it, and washed our clothes in the same type of water. It isn't any wonder now why we are now sick. We all need to get on the phone write letters and demand our just compensation.

CO-DISTILLATION OF AGENT ORANGE AND OTHER PERSISTENT

ORGANIC POLLUTANTS IN EVAPORATIVE WATER DISTILLATION

Jochen F. M?llersize, Katie Bundred, Vincent Alberts,Michael R. Moore and Keith Horsley

National Research Center for Environmental Toxicology, 39 Kessels Road, Cooper Plains, Queensland 4108, Australia Queensland Health Scientific Services, 39 Kessels Road, Coopers Plains, Queensland, 4108, Department of Veterans? Affairs, PO Box 21, Woden, ACT 2606, Australia.

Human exposure to polychlorinated dibenzodioxins and dibenzofurans (PCDD/Fs) is primarily attributed to the consumption of contaminated food. This is due to the physical chemical properties of these compounds including their persistence through the food chain and their hydrophobicity. Usually, contamination of drinking water is not considered a relevant pathway for these chemicals to humans due to the low water solubility and exceptionally high sorption coefficients of PCDD/Fs. On ships, within island communities and in arid areas, potable water is sometimes produced by evaporative distillation from seawater. This study arose from a desire to understand results published by the Australian Department of Veterans? Affairs, that showed a slight increased overall mortality of male Vietnam veterans between the years 1980 and 1994.

In that report, it was noted that veterans of the Royal Australian Navy (RAN) experienced higher mortality than other Australian Vietnam Veterans. However RAN personnel were, in the main, deployed on ships that were on coastal patrols off Vietnam or transporting troops and materials from Australia to Vietnam. Foodstuffs on ships were sourced from Australia, and sailors only occasionally landed in Vietnam, and then only for short periods. No record can be found of an Australian ship being sprayed with herbicide. Thus, we could see little possibility for exposure of RAN personnel to herbicides and associated contaminants, except via the water supply. For the supply of fresh water on board the vessels, water from the surrounding marine or estuarine environment was distilled using evaporative distillation units. The vessels were often in water which seem likely to have been contaminated with residues from the spraying of inland and coastal areas. The aim of this study was to assess the potential for PCDD/Fs to co-distil during the distillation of contaminated water. Here we report some of the results of the study and discuss their implications on the use of distillation as a means for purification of water.

Methods and Materials

In distillation plants on RAN ships seawater was usually fed into an evaporator where the water was boiled by a combination of heating and reduced pressure (vacuum). The vapour was condensed in the condenser from where it was pumped into the feed tanks (for details see reference). The distillation units of the ships operate in essence similar to a rotary evaporator unit used in laboratories. Therefore, the following experimental setup was designed for this study: Clean one-litre round bottom flasks were spiked with native PCDD/F standards to obtain a pollutant concentration in the water between 10 and 60 ng/L of selected tetra- to octachlorinated congeners and 100-200 ng/L of a range of chlorinated pesticides (Table 1).

(Note that for the organochlorines and the lower chlorinated PCDD/Fs the compound concentration was substantially below the solubility of the chemicals in the water). The solvent of the spike solution was evaporated before water was added. Treatments of the experiments included three salinity concentrations (0, 15 and 30 g/L) and at 30 g/L NaCl concentration, four levels of total suspended solids (TSS) (0, 0.2, 0.6 and 1.8 g TSS/L). The NaCl and TSS was added with the water then the flasks were wrapped in aluminium foil, and shaken for at least a week, ensuring that the chemical could equilibrate between the surface of the container, and the water.

See link to access the PDF file for the tables....

The three fractions were subject to liquid-liquid partitioning, twice using dichloromethane and for a further time using hexane. The non-polar fractions were combined, concentrated to almost dryness and then topped up with 20 ?l of toluene. Initially, samples were analysed without a clean-up, which resulted in a variety of chromatography problems as well as low sensitivity and interferences with the mass spectrometry in selected samples. Hence a clean-up using acid/base(HSO and KOH) impregnated silica gel and aluminum oxide in series was carried out in subsequent treatments. Samples were eluted using hexane:dichloromethane (1:1), the eluent was evaporated and the samples were transferred into vials, concentrated and filled with 203u Ltoluene. Analyses of PCDD/Fs and organochlorines was performed on a gas chromatograph (Shimadzu GC17A, DB-5 fused silica column, 30 m, 0.25 mm i.d., 0.25 ?m film thickness) interfaced to a Shimadzu QP5050 mass spectrometer operating in selective ion monitoring mode. Organochlorines and PCDD/Fs were identified using retention times in the standard solution and evaluation of correct isotope ratios Mand M. Quantification was undertaken by external calibration against the standards that were used to spike the samples. (Note that the study did not require absolute quantification of the concentrations since the aim was to evaluate the relative proportions of the chemicals of interest in various fractions of the distillate).

Results and Discussion

The relative quantity of the chemicals of interest in the first distilled fraction (F1) from RO water compared with the concentration in a control ranged from 113 % to about 13 %. None of the chemicals of interest were detectable in any of the blank samples. An example of co-distillation for individual compounds in RO water is shown in Figure 1. Co-distillation was highest for the organochlorine pesticides (Fig. 1a) and lower chlorinated PCDD/Fs (Fig. 1b). The results demonstrated that if the compounds are dissolved in pure water almost the entire quantity of chemicals such as hexachlorobenzene, heptachlor or gamma hexachlorohexane and about 73 - 85 % of the DDTs co-distil with the first 14 % of water. For the polychlorinated dibenzodioxins and dibenzofurans a trend of decrease in co-distillation with an increase in chlorination was apparent in the first 14% of distillate and the relative retention time (RRT see Table 1) of the chemicals provided a useful descriptor that correlates with the degree of co-distillation in this study. Interestingly in this first experiment 2,3,7,8-tetrachlorodibenzodioxin, considered the most toxic of all PCDD/Fs and the main contaminant in Agent Orange, was found at about 85 % of the quantity observed in the control samples and co-istilled to a greater extent than any otherPCDD/F investigated here. In contrast, about 10 - 20 % of the hepta- and octachlorinated PCDD/Fs were found in the distilled fraction in the first experiment. These results indicate that distillation of only a fraction of water (a common practice when saline water is distilled for drinking water on ships) will result in a substantial concentration increase of all investigated organochlorine pesticides as well as TCDD/Fs and other lower chlorinated PCDD/Fs. Figure 1.

Co-distillation of organochlorines (Fig. 1a) and PCDD/Fs (Fig 1b) from pure RO water when 14.1 % (141 mL of 1000 mL) was distilled. The values represent the quantity in the samples? distillate relative to the total quantity in a control of spiked but non-distilled water. No significant change in co-distillation with an increase in NaCl concentration in the water could be observed, although a trend of increasing co-distillation with an increase in the NaCl level was indicated by the data. Addition of suspended solids in the form of dried sediments resulted in a decrease of the level of co-distillation compared to RO water. However it was interesting to note that even at a concentration of 1.8 g total suspended solids (which is in excess of the TSS concentration in most estuarine systems) about 40 % of the 2,3,7,8-TCDD co-distilled with the initial 9 % of distilled water (Figure 2 )

See link to access the PDF file for the tables....

Figure 2.

Co-distillation of PCDD/Fs from water containing 30 g/L NaCl and 1.8 g/L of TSS. F1 comprised of 9 % and F2 of a further 30 % of the initial water to be distilled. The results from this study demonstrate that evaporative distillation may allow TCDD and otherpersistent semivolatile organic chemicals to enter water supplies and to concentrate in the distillate. Thus, if distillation is used for obtaining potable water it needs to be ensured that the source water is not contaminated. With respect to Vietnam veterans that served with the Royal Australian Navy this study provides evidence that contamination via water may have been an important pathway for contamination of personnel with TCDD on board ships

Acknowledgments

This study was funded by the Department of Veterans? Affairs.

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I'm sorry this is a bit scrambled but it is sometimes hard to reformatpdf files. To get to a clean copy of the above report you will need a current Adobe Reader as it is a PDF file. Then go to google and search on diox-019.Pdf that will bring up the link you need to click on. Also note there is an address at the beginning of the report. It might not be a bad idea to get a hard copy directly from the source.If you are having trouble with a claim any and all info you have is not going to hurt as long as it is from a valid source.

sn-e3
01-21-2005, 10:24 PM
Oh my god sis I'm having a skermish with the VA over this right now. they want to review my agent orange case becase I didn'nt STEP foot on land. we'll see. thanks for posting this

Arrow
01-21-2005, 11:16 PM
Chris...

Don't let them turn you around. Bob was paid for his AO related prostate cancer that went into the bone without a fight. You know his story. I've told it and retold it for this very reason to PASS IT ON.

This(idea of the distilling process)passed through Bob's brain more than one time but he didn't have the data to back him up. Now listen brother you know the VA knows what's up if they pay one Blue Water Navy Vet for AO related cancer. It's all in who you got fightin' for you. God sent one or two Angels in the form of DAV reps out of Wisconsin that went to bat for him.

Angels on your six....Sis

Arrow
01-22-2005, 12:31 AM
Agent Orange

From: mike leach
Date: 17 Sep 2004


<H3>Comments</H3>
<H3>UPDATE ON THE AGENT ORANGE ISSUE FOR BLUE WATER NAVY VETERANS OF VIETNAM ERA.</H3>
<H3>After a year of daily research on the subject of "Dioxin" and agent orange it has been found that a chemical called "Silvex" was used aboard Naval units operating off shore in the Gulf of Tonkin. Silvex has the same chemical make up as Agent Orange Herbicide. Does anyone ever remember seeing those little square red cans of "weed killer" aboard any ship afloat. Product name is "WeedOne", having personally spoken to several naval personnel aboard various naval ships at the time (the men who worked in (water tenders labs, and evaporators)I'm told by these people that several gallons a day were added to the fresh water tanks to keep down algae growth in the tanks. This particular weed killer contains "Silvex" and Dioxin. I need some actual documentation or notarized statements to attest to the fact this chemical was used aboard ships. Going before congress after January 2005, to testify about the use of this chemical, with additional proof it will enable us to get all the navy blue water vets disability compensation. Let's hear from anyone that has any information. </H3>mikeleach46@yahoo.com


http://www.cantho-rvn.org/discuss-navy/

http://www.cantho-rvn.org/main.html

sn-e3
01-22-2005, 01:09 PM
thanks sis I'm heading to the American Legion Service office first thing Monday morning thanks again

sn-e3
01-29-2005, 08:29 PM
To all that helped and prayed for me over my claim with the VA about Agent Orange I want to thank everyone especially SIS because I recieved a awards letter today upping my Agent orange Diabetes due to bilateral caterac's to 30 % so that brings me up to 80% now I'm one happy camper life is good again.

Arrow
01-29-2005, 10:28 PM
Laughin out loud :nn:

Thank you Lord...

Bob would say "Pass It On Brother"

See I am good for somethin' besides bein' a pain in the a$$

Sis

sn-e3
01-30-2005, 11:58 AM
Well Sis you are good for alot of things. I personally know of alot of guys on this site who whould still be lost without your help. You have a vast resorce of vitel information related to PTSD and Agent Orange and your willingness to help others even stangers makes you an Angel in my books love you Sis. your brother in arms chris

Arrow
01-30-2005, 12:33 PM
Salute :32:

And Semper Fi to you Sailor...

You and Joan have always had my best interest at heart...

I know that....so love and prayers to the both of you too...

Where's my Puffs? There's been a lot of sandstorms in this part of the country for the last month...

MORTARDUDE
01-31-2005, 08:44 PM
Chris :

Good luck with your struggle. Since the Regional office was next door to our building in North Little Rock, I had a good discussion with a VA representative there. My regional office is in Nashville, so I will probably not have another chance like this. The VA is not aware of everything that is going on, so make sure they are. Good Luck !

Sis :

Thanks for posting this.

Larry

sn-e3
01-31-2005, 09:19 PM
Larry thats what I said up above as soon as I showed them that report somehow my claim was granted overnight. amazing ain't it.