Here is why I think
 

That the original act was instituted by a High government official.
1. It took some time and high level research to come up with a Patsy like Oswald.
2. It took some time, planning and connections to arrange an assassination with the mob, and it took the mob some time to integrate their people with Oswald.
3. If the mob did this on their own it wouldn't have been covered up like it was.
4. Although he was Americas prince charming, he and Robert, in fact the whole Kennedy Klan were very disliked by almost everyone in a position of power. The mob, FBI, CIA State department and defense department.
5. Of all of the above, only a person in either the Dept of State or the Dept of Defense could have the power and control to combine all of the people required to pull this off. I don't think Dean Rusk disliked the Kennedys enough to do this.
6. This leaves Robert McNamara, He was about to have JFK pull the plug on his war before it was won. McNamara had already been directed to have a pull out plan in place to remove all US troops by 1965.

All of you have described McNamara as a Dufus or idiot and not worthy. Just the type to plan an assassination.

If any of you are interested go to the CIA web site and order a document from the Center for Studies of Intellegence titled " CIA and the Vietnam Policy Makers" a study in three parts by Harold P. Ford (National Technical Information Service) This is a review of documents, messages, memos from 1962 to 1968 that have been declassified and released thru the FIOA. from the CIA, State and Defense and related departments on the beginning of the war and the president and how intelligence estimates were manipulated to show that we could win the war and be out of VN by 1965. It also shows how JFK was going to pull the plug on the war.

Andy, my point...
 

...in my posts regarding the possible alteration of the wounds was this:

The body was in the physical custody of the FBI and/or the Secret Service from the moment of the shooting until the autopsy was completed in the early morning hours of Nov 23rd.

If the wounds were altered, then how could that have been done without one or both of those agencies being "in on it"?

Airborne! Steve / 82Rigger

In on it, Yes, But Who
 

Do you think was the top single person that caused the assassination of JFK. not the shooters not the agencys but THE ONE SINGLE PERSON IN CHARGE. Remember in any group there has to be a leader.

Re: In on it, Yes, But Who
 

I'd still go with the Mafia. I don't think anyone in the government ordered it. I think a lot of the coverup was just trying to cover up the thoroughly botched police and FBI investigation which was compounded by a commission of solid bureaucrats, political appointees. Never blame on conspiracy, that which can be adequately expained by sequential stupidity, with which our government abounds. (ex: the Vietnam War)

"All of you have described McNamara as a Dufus or idiot and not worthy. Just the type to plan an assassination. "
I would definitely say you're all pissing up the wrong flagpole if you think Macnamara was an idiot (define: dufus) or had anything to do with JFKs assassination. He was (and is) distinctly not the type to plan an assassination. This won't dissuade conspiracy theorists of course.
Hey conspiracy theorists! It's 30 years since Watergate and Magruder, now a Lutheran minister, has finaly said that NIxon DID order the Burglary. I knew this all along, he was just that kind of slimy crook and the world's biggest liar, too. Think he ordered the burglary or not? maybe this deserves a seperate post


James

I dunno about who DID do the assassination, much less why anyone would have done it.

What I am fairly sure about is that Oswald was not the trigger puller.

I base this opinion on instinct, sorry.

Remember how that Smith lady a few years back looked when she cried those crocodile tears on TV over her missing children, she ended up having drowned herself?

Well, I distinctly remember seeing Oswald being led down a hallway in a Dallas police station, when a reporter stuck a microphone in his face and asked him what was going on (words to that effect). His reply, and we've all watched this over and over again for 40 years(!), was something like, "All I know is that they are saying the President has been shot."

I just cannot forget that it seemed like he was telling the truth. Every time I watch him at the moment on video tape, it just never seems like his body language is that of a guilty party. He MAY have, in some way, been involved in the murder, but I am pretty sure he did not pull that trigger.

It'll be generations before we learn who did, and by then we'll all be gone anyway...that's what is being counted on.

Sid
 

Well Sid, I don?t see us coming to an accord on this matter until we sit down eye to eye then speechify till we can talk no more. Of course, that?s some awful dry business and might require a beer or cocktail but I?m willing if you are.

My premise is that the mob planned this, made arrangements with, not top leaders, but influential people, then did the hit and ?the fix was in?.

Hey Rigger, ever been to Georgia to see Sid and John et al? We may need your input.

Stay healthy,
Andy

One thing I feel is true is that Oswald was a patsy and fall guy and I don?t know for sure if he even got a shot off or what he was doing in the book depository with a rifle. As a person can read just about anything on this scenario, it?s not an easy thing to sort the fly shit from the pepper. And admittedly, I haven?t really tried to get to the bottom of the issue yet.


As to the "who done it", I?d go along with a mob hit as my first choice and perhaps the ?Red Scare? boys as a second likely choice. McNamara was erudite, driven, stogy, arrogant and totally numbers driven but I don?t feel he was into political killing. That?s just a gut feel on my part as I?m all too aware of his unworkable plans regarding VN tactics and strategy and most of that was laughable, horribly expensive and totally useless. A Phi Beta Kapa "Mr. Bean" parhaps but I'd be hard pressed to find the killer spirit in that guy. I've been wrong before so I'll just see what and if anything plays out.

Scamp

Andy
 

I will look forward to it, But I think it may require several beers and cocktails to solve this one. It is mighty sobering work. :D

LT told me you may come down to Atl from seeing Doc. What about if we come up there, Doc is my Hero and would love for you guys to meet Mrs. PHO. I am departing on the 15th of Oct for Elk Hunting in Colorado and will be gone until Nov. Got Mule Deer, Elk and bear tags this year and I am hoping to fill them all.

LOH
 

Until proven otherwise. To date, there has been no proof to the contrary.

Well, I'd suggest this name as a higher-up, and a connection to the mob; J. Edgar Hoover.

J. Edgar was power mad and he would have the connections in the underworld to cover his tracks if he wanted JFK taken out. J. Edgar hated womanizers (wonder why :p), and the Kennedys--so they fit neatly in his blackmail files.

J. Edgar was a scary individual--too bad we didn't know as much about our government leaders then as we know now. JFK was the individual that burst my "trust the government" bubble--I've been a real skeptic since I learned that the leader of Camelot was just a dirty old man.

As for why the Kennedys didn't challenge the Warren Report--they didn't want all the dirt to come out at that time. But dirt like water, has a way of getting through the cracks!