Global Warming
 

You think is real? Al Gore thinks so. That in itself is reason to be causious.
Time mag latest edition has a polar bare on the cover with the frase, Be afraid, be very afraid. They talk about the oceans rising and temps going up.
Hears something they forgot, in the 70s Time mag said that we were heading for a Ice age?
The warmest temp recorded in the Arctic was in the 40s, the warmest temp recorded in the Ant-arctic was in the 60s.
The seface of the earth sits on moving tectonic plates, the temps and climates and weather in general are as dynamic as the movement of the continents. Eathquakes, valcanos, huricans, etc are not caused by global warming, The earth itself is a very dangerous place to live, if your talking about the history of the earth. Everything as we know today will not be hear in a million years, anything on the ocean floor will come up somewhere else as a valcano. Its easy to prove this, Just look at the Hawaiian Islands, They stretch from the big Island all the way to the coast of Japan where they go back under the tectonic plate that starts at Japan and covers Russia, Thats why Japan has so many earthquakes, The slipping of the plates against each other.
Same thing in California, except the plates changed directions a long time ago, (after the formation of the rockies) and are now slidding past each other .
Global warming, I think not.

When what should be solid science is levered, politicized, propagandized, traumatized and bullshitized, then the basic premise comes into question.
I absolutely know that once outside the US and Western Europe, especially in current or recent Communist countries there is no such thing as air quality standards, emission controls, stack gas scrubbers, stack gas atomizers, etc., nada.
I?m used to stack gas but last trip through Bejing made my eyes water and get irritated, nose run, got a rasping caugh; gone native so to speak, talk about the most polluted air in the world, that be it.

Russia and the former East block countries are nothing short of a massive environmental pigpen, and probably non-cleanable for generations to come. Speaking of China, when are the Seattle luminaries going to demand that China cease and desists on the construction of the Three Gorges hydroelectric project, only the biggest one ever attempted. But I suppose they are focused on closing down the Grand Coolie, John Day, Chief Joseph, etc., Columbia River hydroelectric plants right now, so are a bit busy and preoccupied.

There are few alternatives to fossil fuel power plants and when I see luminaries like Sen. Harry Reid drop his stead fast opposition to any new nuke plants, or Kennedy n? Son drop their opposition to wind turbines off Massachusetts, I?ll reckon there maybe something to their collective caterwallering.

Till then, I?ll just have to be content to observe the Nth degree of hypocrisy; do as I say, not as I do, methodology and listen to the scary campfire stories emanating from the ?soggy one? from Tennessee.

Scamp

sea
 

We in the USA are a airigant bunch. we use a calendar that is 2006 years old. The Chineese have been keeping a calender that is 5000 years old, there 1000 year old artifacts mean nothing to the China government its kinda like a 40 year old house here in the US would mean to the US government.
And the Three Gorges dam is done, the lake is not full yet.
A million years from now, earth will still be right where it is , just no humans.

Correct, dam is complete but the turbines and valves are being fitted out at present. Lot of US content in the power generation side of the project, including the inlet valves.
And yes, China is a very ancient culture that was well advanced while most our ancestors were still very, very primitive and still little known of today.

Scamp

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Chineese were the first Humans on the American continant.
Found balist from somewhere in China along the coast of Costa Rica indecating a boat from China had been there 12,000 years ago, Before the astec, Palio indians, Incas, Myon, all those, came after the dated balist, Columbus what a joke.

Ask yourself one question....What mechanism reversed all the ice ages ( including one recently ) and made ice over 1/3 of the land mass, melt ?

Certainly not cavemen in SUVs ... LOL

It is all a BIG scam to get government grant money.

Larry

Global Warming
 

Well,

I believe there probably is global warming. However, we know that earth goes through ice ages and then warming. 2000 years ago Greenland was called green land because of the forrests, and Great Britian was the biggest supplier of grapes for the Roman Wineries. So we know the earth was much warmer 2000 years ago than it is now.
Science must try to figure out if the warming is a regular cycle or caused by human interferance.
I believe that most environmentalist are reactionary and not really good scientists. Only time will tell.

Larry I'm sure some scientists will get good grant money to study the issue.

Keith

Now how can you hypocrites doubt the very word of the man who invented the Internet? Pie yumpin' yiminies, ya must be breathin' them carbon dioxides or sumthin', doncha know!

Sometime back Freon was the identified global warming bad guy and we raced around eliminating all Freon. So problem encountered, problem solved, right? Not yet, I guess.

As to grant money, sure, that?s the answer. I?m sure there is a grant money funded environmental impact study that totally delineates the results of a frog peeing on a lily pad.

But in this instance I?m not so sure those with vested interest in stirring the pot and political propagandizing want a qualified and authentic scientific study. No, I think not. Esoteric scary stuff is a money cash cow and the person with the conical hat blabbering in pseudo-science, half speak, deception and non-sense rakes in the take and presumably the votes.

Scamp

I do believe that we should take better care of the earth. I do believe in Global Warming to a certain point. With the population growing to larger numbers than ever its hard not to have an effect on the climate. BUT, you will find the nastiest polution in places that like to preach to us about things. India and China are disgusting. A 2nd cousin of mine goes to India every year for some stupid reason. He says that the smog there makes LA seem like its mountain fresh.

All in all I think people like to scare people. Some people like to be scared. I'm sick of it all. There will be another ice age whenever. Its not like we have temp records of the earth for FOREVER.

Great book about the subject.

"State of Fear", by Michael Crichton

( also author of "Jurassic Park", "Andromeda Strain, "Congo", etc. )


his web site >>>
http://www.crichton-official.com/


http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=011905B


..... "Among Crichton's many logical conclusions three stand out:


"We know astonishingly little about every aspect of the environment, from its past history, to its present state, to how to conserve and protect it. In every debate, all sides overstate the extent of existing knowledge and its degree of certainty.

Nobody knows how much warming will occur in the next century. The computer models vary by 400 percent, de facto proof that nobody knows; and

Before making expensive policy decisions on the basis of climate models, I think it is reasonable to require that those models predict future temperatures accurately for a period of ten years. Twenty would be better."......

Larry,

Great post.

Pack

I think it quite unfortunate that what should be a globally challenged issue has been reduced to cheep, deceptive political propaganda by Hollywood and some of our ambitious politicos looking for a cause and audience.
Not good. I figure people are a heck of a lot smarter than Hollywood or our politicos give them credit for and once it?s figured out that a scam in being played, the core issue becomes both diminished and dismissed as irrelevant, and that is a big step in the wrong direction.

What the scare mongers won?t say is that over the last 25 years the US and Western Europe, almost exclusively, have made tremendous strides in development, application and deployment of emissions control technology and water treatment technology. Long way to go, but the work is very good so far.

The ?for the people? left world has done nada and will continue to do nada except whine and empower their spokespersons in the US to be obstructive, disingenuous and deceptive. Too bad, but that?s the way things play out and the way things are.

Scamp


Good post Larry and some rational thought being put forth.

Kieth/Larry
 

Green land was named by the Vickings, so was Ice land, They setteled in Ice land because it was hapitable, They Called Greenland, GreenLand because the didn't want people to come to Iceland. . When Greenland and Antartica had trees, those places had no names, or people.

Larry
I know this, In a million years we will be gone and earth will still be hear, It will be earth/plastic Then instead of just earth.
We can't change earth, we make little attempts , Damm's and cement alot of it of but the earth don't live in hundred or thousands of years it lives in Millions and Billions of years, What we do only effects us, not earth.
Ron

What really gets my goat is that anything that happens is blamed on "global warming". Some are really outlandish. Just scan the headlines. Always good for a few laughs.

Larry

Yep we got some of that global warming of late here. High 90's and havey humidity. Heat index's over 100+ for the next 5 to 7 days - won't be pretty - and those with that type of hair will have those frizzies to deal with and my wife is one of them. I hate Hot Weather!!!!!!

Boats
 

Chicaaaago Heights? You rich bastard.
All you got to do is go for a ride along lakeshore drive. If that aint good enough, take a couple steps in that cold lake. Watch out for the Pike though.
I used to live in IlL. about a hundred miles west of you , Sterling.
Ron
ps . Did I pernounce the city correctly?

Pss. The toops in IRAQ have 119 degree temps, With body armor and long sleves. Try that.

Yea I know. When I worked Saudi in 75 I remember one day it got up to about 130 Deg. F and over 50K chickens died in town. I lost 32 lbs. there. I was chalked over from salt coming out of my body. Would lay in my rack and wake up covered in swet.

Chicago Heights is about 3 miles from the border of Dyer, IN so I'm about 28 miles south of the city proper. I'm about 27 miles from the lake. The Lake is great if the wind is blowing in on you.
The city is great but the traffic is horrible. I ride my bike South of my house into the corn field areas - less traffic and more bikers of late do to the higher gas cost.

And this is not a rich area and very depressed since many of the major companies left and went to other areas where they got large tax breaks or where there were no unions.

Texas is nice my brother lives around or on the outskirts of Dallas. I did some work all over that state and spend many days in Sequin about 30 miles south of San Antonio. I've been to Houston (don't like it at all), Tyler and Monticello. Had some good times at Asarco in Amarillo and got my first taste of local snake. Taste like chicken my ass. I had to drink many beers to eat the remaining wild game on that platter. Had some great steaks in Dallas. I've been to El Paso and Laredo when I had to go into Mexico. I've pretty much covered those areas.

I also like New Mexico. I've been around this great world of ours at least 2.5x already and almost every state in the Union and Canada. Several S.A. areas as well. Won't go to Columbia a guy down there would like to remove me from this earth. We didn't get along I know that.

Washington state I also know pretty well. Used to cliff climb around deception pass in my younger days. Went to several micro brewers in Portland.

Spent several months in Savannah and areas surrounding it. Chased a gator out of the plant with a 2 x 4 once. Had snakes sleeping on the I-beams. Been in the mnes in KY, WV and VA.

So I've been seen a pretty good close up of most power plants and mill sites. I have never been in the heart of any major cities usually about 20+ miles out of town (min.).

I've had many local beers and in fact Lone Star ain't to bad if you drink 1/2 case then they mellow out. Used to have a good friend in Dallas and we'd drive his Cadillac (with large cattle horns on it ) to most of the power plants and drink beers on the highway.

He's gone now I miss him. Bob Phillips one hell of a Texican. Big eater - big guy.

Gotta Run (boss is looking over my shoulder)

Boats
 

only someone from The heights would know I was kidding, Take 94 north to oaklawn turn right to the lake, stop at the water. unless its january. I don't like Houston either, and its right next door, only good thing about is , whatever you want, any time of the day or night , you can find it in Houston. Dallas has way to short of on ramps to there freeway system. (theres a reason they call it an exceleration Ramp) Id call it a point and pray ramp.
Asarco in Amarillo , took the kid there last winter on the way to Red river NM. Yea there "sea food plater" is not for everyone. I like rattel snake, Tastes like snake.
If you went to El Paso you must have stoped at carlsbad caverns.

Ron

I was TDY to Daharan AB, KSA in 1998 and it got up to 150* in the shade in July! One hot place I wouldn't want to Visit too often in a lifetime.Makes the 97* we got today here in GA with a Heat Index around 107* feel comfortable in comparison.LIke they always say Its the Humidity that makes it HOT! :D