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I was watching Bill O'Riley yesterday. He mentioned POWs at Guantanamo Bay are being water tortured and he claimed it has been successful in extracting valuable information. O'Riley claimed the FBI was able to stop nine different terrorest bombings.
To begin with, I don't recall hearing anything on the news about the FBI putting a stop to nine different terrorest attacks due to information they extracted from POWs and also, I have my doubts about such information being believable due to false stories that was fed to the American people about the Iraq War in the past. Such a story could cause many American people to support the govertment using torture on POWs if such valuable information can be extracted.
I'm curious if the govertment would go as far as using such torture as electric shock, cutting off fingers and toes, blinding somebody in one eye, if they haven't already done it.
Last but not least, would the govertment take the position "if we can get POWs to give us information that's useful by using torture, than lets use torture on American citizens where needed". During WWII, Germany and Russia used torture tactics on their own ciitizens. If it can happen in other countries, it can happen over here also.

First off....they are not POW'S, they are criminals that wear no uniform. They do not fight for their any government, they are TERRORISTS.

Not sure how many people you've talked to that have been to Gitmo, but many of our Corpsman from our hospital have been deployed there numerous times. I've talked with many of them. Here's the response I get when I ask them about torturing the "POWS". First they begin laughing. Then all have told me that except for being in a cell, they live better than the Corpsmen do that work there and the Marines that guard them. They have specially prepared meals and lots of time out of their cells. They also throw cocktails at the Marines and Sailors. These cocktails are called by number:

1. Just Piss

2. Piss and Shit

3. Piss, Shit, and Sperm

No retaliation is allowed when they do this.

Talk to someone who's been there so you might get the real story. Also, I wouldn't give a shit if they torturted all of them. Fcuk them, they are scum of the earth. Yep, we sure are heading to Nazi Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union in this country. Just look at how our criminals are treated in prison here. Cable TV, basketball, college educations......Damn, sure glad I've stayed on the straight an narrow. I have to pay to get all the tortures our people face in "Nazi Amerika".

To quote Merle Haggard..."If you don't love it, leave it........" Nazi Germany my ass.

Pack

WH,
Do you even know what this so called water torture is? I do and it?s hardly torture. Why don?t you find out instead of pretending to have watched Bill O'Riley. As far as I know we haven't decapitated anyone, where's your outrage on that subject? Watched Bill O'Riley my arse, more likely listened to Air America.

Bill Farnie.....I don't understand you accusing me of fabricating stories about watching Bill O'Riley when it's not true. If your attitude towards me is that I'm some "low life undesirable" because I mention things in my post you don't agree with and you have to resort to accusing me of lying, then you're going against one of the biggest reasons American Troops are allegedly in Iraq for, "freedom of speech".

From the information I was able to get that mentions anything about the meals being served to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay was gotton from bbc.co.uk. No mention of any home cooked meals. All meals are pre package in a clear plastic bag.

Breakfast- slice of bread, cream cheese, an orange, a pastry, a roll, a bottle of water
Lunch- one box of cereal, two cereal bars, one pack of peanuts, one pack of raisins, bottle of water
Dinner-bowl of white rice, red beans, one banana, slice of bread, bottle of water

If those detainees at Guantanamo Bay are not classified as POWs, than we should bring them to court and let due process take it's course. Give him a lawyer and if there's information the detainee in question perticapted in terrorest bombing, present that in court. If he's found guilty, than take him from the court room to a big wooden post and tie him to it. Cut his testicles out and foce him to eat it. Then pour gas on him and burn him alive. After that, chop his body up in about twenty pieces or so and send it to his kin folks with a stamp on the box saying "compliments from the USA".

Lucky they get fed that, I let them eat... .... .. -before I'd give them anything. They are not soldiers from any Army they kill without any forethougt, they don't care who they kill women, children, elderly they don't care, so let them rot in prison in cell where there this no toilets, no bed, and bread filled with maggots for protein. ..-. ..- -.-. -.-em.

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Originally posted by WateringHole Bill Farnie.....I don't understand you accusing me of fabricating stories about watching Bill O'Riley when it's not true. If your attitude towards me is that I'm some "low life undesirable" because I mention things in my post you don't agree with and you have to resort to accusing me of lying

Why not? You've already lied on the U.S. troops on active duty call for Iraq withdrawal thread and then tried to back peddle by saying you worded the post wrong and it got steered in the wrong direction. BS to that.

Instead of taking heed of what Packy has wrote about first hand accounts from people who were at Gitmo go ahead and believe the BBC.

Although it's true that I don't agree with what you are posting, it's not so much what you post that I don't like, everyone is entitled to their opinion .... I just don't like you and your insinuations about America.

There's a lot of things that this government has done of late that I do not agree with but your way out of line and dead wrong saying that the U.S.A. condones the killing of blacks. You said it and you meant it and no amount of back peddling is going to change the fact that you believe that it's factual and it's what you really think. If you didn't, you wouldn't have wrote what you did in the first place. You didn't mis-word anything and I would have more respect for you if you just admit it.

good reason not to take prisoners

Watering hole
You wrote "due to false stories that was fed to the American people about the Iraq War in the past"
Just what False stories are you refuring to?

The government of the United States long ago stopped listening to me, But if they would one last time, I would tell them to " let me behead them and hang them from a bridge" I got no problem with tourture at all, I'll tell them and the world what is about to happen and film it for them, Do something about it, would be my statement to the F-ing world.

But then more civilized people are in charge.
Damn

Ron

"If it can happen in other countries, it can happen over here also." So spake the prophet W-Hole.... This sounds like a quote from Sen (D) Dick Durbin, when he compared our warriors to being no better than the regimes of Pol Pot, Hitler, and other tyrants. Do you write his speeches, W-Hole? It saddens me that you have such a poor image of what America is really all about. I'm not sure if you should be pitied or ignored.

You seem to think that it would be a peachy-keen gee-whiz swell idea that all these terrorists are entitled to the very same constitutional rights as you and me. Are they US citizens, and either if they are, were they not captured on the field of battle, intent on bringing harm, death and destruction to our warriors or even over here at home? When a terrorist crosses that line, all rights and privileges cease.

And you're citing the BBC as an authoritative source of the truth? Have you completely lost your mind? The BBC is more leftist than our own MSM, so why should/would they tell the truth?

Bill.....Okay, I did some checking arond and this is what I was able to find out about water torture.

The prisoner is strapped to an incline board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped around the prisoners face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the torture to a halt. The ABC reporter who was doing the story noted "according to CIA sources, Officers who subjected themselves to the waterboarding technique lasted an averace of 14 seconds before caving in. CIA spoksman said al qaeda toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheikh won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last two and a half minutes before begging to confess.
You said water torture is "hardly" torture. If that's really true, than tell me this Bill..... how long do you think you can last if somebody was to strapped you to a board with cellophane wrapped over your face and pouring water all over you ? How long will it be before you began screaming for them to stop ? That's considered "hardly torture" as you put it .

Packy....I did some searching to try finding some information about PoWs, detainees, convicts, prisoners or whatever they are called these days and the only thing I was able to find was bbc web that had some information about the meals that are served to these characters. As far as knowing if bbc is blowing a lot of smoke at people who reads anything on their web, I wouldn't know anything about any of their stuff being carved in stone or not. It was the only place that had a little of the information I was looking for.

39........The false stories I was referring to was for one, the WMDs, that was never found, the Jessica Lynch story about her being some sort of female Audie Murphy. I sympathize for her and I prey she can recover fully and lead a normal life, but the Army tried to make a hero out of her and it backfired. She sustained her injuries when the vehicle she was in turned over.
The other false srory I was referring to was when that Ranger who use to play pro ball for the Phoenix Cardinals lost his life when he was hit by friendly fire. Again, I sympathize with his mom and dad for the lost of their son and I said a prayer for him. But again, the Army made up a story about him getting hit by the insurgents and telling his men after he got shot "don't worry about me, keep fighting".

...

...seems to me like your tippi toeing around with some half baked ideals on what "all of this is about",...

...It's about the survival of mankind as we know it, and "with the shoe on the other foot, they would not, and have not given an inch in any way, so we must even, not lower the playing field,...

...I for one would agree with Ron, and SS and it's no punches pulled, kill um all, and it is as ugly as it gets, film it, play it, show them how ruthless we will be, plain, and simple, you interlope, you die, you even think of interloping, you die, phukin' period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...THEY ARE TERRORISTS, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS, ONLY JUDGEMENT NOW, AND OURS SHOULD BE SWIFT, AND THEN IN THE AFTERLIFE,...

...

WH
So the 100,000 Kurds that died from the Nerve Agent Sarin, just died from eating bad chickens?

The Lynch story was a media thing, SHE, never said anything like what the media said.

And the Ranger you referred to I guess you mean Pat Tillman.
The Army messed up in his case, But that don't mean what you say is all true.

What the media says is torture is not torture,
Beheading and hang from a bridge, now thats torture,
Water boarding, putting under wear on there heads, that is not torture, humiliation maybe but not torture. You want to see torture look at what Iraqi prisoners went through from Saddam.

As far as How prisoners are treated in guantanamo, all you have to do is put "How prisoners are treated in guantanamo" in a Google search and you get 10 pages of web sites. Including the BBC.

The Dems. of our country are our enemies best friend.

Ron

The Dems. of our country are our enemies best friend.
Truer words were never spoken by Ron!! If in doubt, do google search and find out what political party is being supported by CAIR.

39......In my previous post, I said about Jessica Lynch "the Army tried to make a hero out of her and it backfired". I didn't say she said those things about herself. She even said so herself when she was interviewed by Diane Sawyer when she said "I didn't realize the Army would go as far as using what happen to me as a recruitment tool".
Reagan gave Hussian those chemicals thinking he would use it against Iran, which he didn't. I'm quite sure the CIA must have informed Reagan about Hussian being an unstable ding-a ling. Guess Reagan was rolling the dice when he made that decision.

WH
Regan gave what WMDs to Saddom? There are no WMD.
Now If there are none, how could Regan have given him them?

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Originally posted by 39mto39g WH
Regan gave what WMDs to Saddom? There are no WMD.
Now If there are none, how could Regan have given him them?

In spite of what W-hole says, he did use them against Iran and the Kurds. Guess they are all used up?

Bill
No they were not used up. Saddam had two weeks to prepare for the invasion of his country. The CIA has video of large truck convoys leaving Iraq and going into Syria, The trucks were full of , US money and Gold, along with all his WMDs. They are in Syria. If the US really gave a shit that the DEMs were saying there are no WMDs , the Bush administration would go to Syria and get the shipment. They don't give a shit, as long as they (WMDs) are not ready to be used.
I , as a US citizen, say that, the friend of my enemy is an enemy of mine. Just as a enemy of my enemy is a friend of mine. That makes the Democrats and the main stream media, in my opinion, an enemy of the United States. And an enemy of the US is an enemy of mine, to which I WILL fight.
So to that I would say, WH, if you see that red dot on your chest, don't be surprised.

Ron

39......My mistake, my mistake, I apologize. When I wrote my last message, I was writing from memory, which was a little foggy.
The information I was able to track down was in the early 80's, Iraq wanted 1.5 million vials of atropine,which is an antidote for nerve gas to protect Iraq soldiers from chemical weapons.
Dr Stephen Bryen with the Pentagon raise a lot of hell with the State Department over this sale because he claimed Iraq was the only country in the Middle East that had chemical weapons at that time. The State Department claimed the sale never happend.
According to documents released after the invasion, the sale did happen. Also, Bethael Corporation out of San Francisco built a chemical storage warehouse in Iraq.

It is fortunate that most of human historic reality has a property of elasticity; as in able to retain an original shape even after the most brutal twisting, bending, denial, on and on, etc.
During this current time of reality bending, folding, spindling and mutilating, then painting to match and spinning to immediate stump needs, and in our immediate circumstances, reality will out sooner rather than later, no question about that. The question is at what cost and when, not if. At that time we?ll discover that our MSM and joined-at-the-hip connected politicos have been a fingering the mix dial and having many of us looking in all the wrong directions. And alas, the gullible won?t see reality until they are smacked over the head with it, again.

And W.H., I believe you are referring to the S.F. headquarters of Bechtel, an A&E outfit that builds power plants, LNG compression plants, and other industrial infrastructure. The actual project operations headquarters is in Houston, Texas, plus many other places in the world. I would be a bit surprised if Saddam, even then, would contract Bechtel for chem. facilities as he much preferred long hot showers with the Fritz A&E outfits. The Fritzes are much less visible, know tons about intended lethal toxic gas handling facilities, plus excel and succeed at ?knowing nothin about nothin?, but anything is possible I suppose.

Ron, I think Saddam had at least four months to haul all that WMD out to or through Syria. My thought is that the French, Germans and Russians had mighty dirty WMD knickers in Iraq and when it looked like the thunder was really coming, had to get clean in one hell of a hurry. Just a guess, but I reckon the really nasty stuff was transported up through the Dardanelles, and on to the Russian eastern Black Sea area for supervised storage or destruction.

Scamp

P.s. I will devote the remainder of this post to my protest about how infromation is acquired from the murderous rabid weasels. Here goes....

Scamp,

I'm anxiously waiting for your next installment...

Watering Hole...

Just in case you missed this part of the national discussion on wmd's...

Democrats on Weapons of Mass Destruction...

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."--President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 "Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998 "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."--Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." Letter to President Clinton, signed by:-- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others, Oct. 9, 1998 "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."-Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."-- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." Letter to President Bush, Signed by: -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001 "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."-- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."-- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."-- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do"-- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."-- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." Sen John F. Kerry (D, MA) Jan. 23, 2003


"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998 

The Democrats' Case Against Saddam Hussein

Senator Daschle:

"Iraq's actions pose a serious and continued threat to international peace and security. It is a threat we must address. Saddam is a proven aggressor who has time and again turned his wrath on his neighbors and on his own people. Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people. . . . The United States continues to exhaust all diplomatic efforts to reverse the Iraqi threat. But absent immediate Iraqi compliance with Resolution 687, the security threat doesn't simply persist - it worsens. Saddam Hussein must understand that the United States has the resolve to reverse that threat by force, if force is required. And, I must say, it has the will" [Congressional Record, 2/12/98].

Senator Biden:

"An asymmetric capability of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons gives an otherwise weak country the power to intimidate and blackmail. We risk sending a dangerous signal to other would-be proliferators if we do not respond decisively to Iraq's transgressions. Conversely, a firm response would enhance deterrence and go a long way toward protecting our citizens from the pernicious threat of proliferation. . . . Fateful decisions will be made in the days and weeks ahead. At issue is nothing less than the fundamental question of whether or not we can keep the most lethal weapons known to mankind out of the hands of an unreconstructed tyrant and aggressor who is in the same league as the most brutal dictators of this century" [Congressional Record, 2/12/98].

Senator Lieberman:

"Today, the threat may not be as clear to other nations of the world, but its consequences are even more devastating potentially than the real threat, than the realized pain of the invasion of Kuwait in 1990, because the damage that can be inflicted by Saddam Hussein and Iraq, under his leadership, with weapons of mass destruction is incalculable; it is enormous. . . . Mr. President, if this were a domestic situation, a political situation, and we were talking about criminal law in this country, we have something in our law called 'three strikes and you are out,' three crimes and you get locked up for good because we have given up on you. I think Saddam Hussein has had more than three strikes in the international, diplomatic, strategic and military community. So I have grave doubts that a diplomatic solution is possible here. . . . What I and some of the Members of the Senate hope for is a longer-term policy based on the probability that an acceptable diplomatic solution is not possible, which acknowledges as the central goal the changing of the regime in Iraq to bring to power a regime with which we and the rest of the world can have trustworthy relationships" [Congressional Record, 2/12/98].

Senator Levin:

"Mr. President, this crisis is due entirely to the actions of Saddam Hussein. He alone is responsible. We all wish that diplomacy will cause him to back down but history does not give me cause for optimism that Saddam Hussein will finally get it. . . . Mr. President, Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction programs and the means to deliver them are a menace to international peace and security. They pose a threat to Iraq's neighbors, to U.S. forces in the Gulf region, to the world's energy supplies, and to the integrity and credibility of the United Nations Security Council. . . . Mr. President, the use of military force is a measure of last resort. The best choice of avoiding it will be if Saddam Hussein understands he has no choice except to open up to UNSCOM inspections and destroy his weapons of mass destruction. The use of military force may not result in that desired result but it will serve to degrade Saddam Hussein's ability to develop weapons of mass destruction and to threaten international peace and security. Although not as useful as inspection and destruction, it is still a worthy goal" [Congressional Record, 2/12/98].

Senator Kerry:

"Mr. President, we have every reason to believe that Saddam Hussein will continue to do everything in his power to further develop weapons of mass destruction and the ability to deliver those weapons, and that he will use those weapons without concern or pangs of conscience if ever and whenever his own calculations persuade him it is in his interests to do so. . . . I have spoken before this chamber on several occasions to state my belief that the United States must take every feasible step to lead the world to remove this unacceptable threat. He must be deprived of the ability to injure his own citizens without regard to internationally-recognized standards of behavior and law. He must be deprived of his ability to invade neighboring nations. He must be deprived of his ability to visit destruction on other nations in the Middle East region or beyond. If he does not live up fully to the new commitments that U.N. Secretary-General Annan recently obtained in order to end the weapons inspection standoff - and I will say clearly that I cannot conceive that he will not violate those commitments at some point - we must act decisively to end the threats that Saddam Hussein poses." [Congressional Record, 3/13/98.]

"There should be no doubt, Saddam's ability to produce and deliver weapons of mass destruction poses a grave threat to the peace of that region and the security of the world. . .Saddam should never doubt the will of the American people, their legislators, their military, or their commander-in-chief to protect our interests, defend our security, and ensure the well-being of our fellow citizens and that of our friends and allies around the world. He should know that when it comes to protecting our vital national interests, Americans will stand as one. We will speak as one. And whenever, necessary, we will act as one." -President Al Gore -in February 1998

The History of Treachery: "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 

Bill Clinton is misleadin' to Bill Clinton:

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." --President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Bill Clinton is misleadin' to Madeline Albright:

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." --Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

Madeline Albright is misleadin' to Sandy Berger: 

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." --Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

Sandy Berger is misleadin' to Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others:

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." -- Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle and John Kerry in a letter to President Clinton, Oct. 9, 1998

Democratic Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others are misleadin' to Rep. Nancy Pelosi: 

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

Rep. Nancy Pelosi is misleadin' to Madeline Albright: "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." -- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

Madeline Albright is misleadin' to Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL):

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL) in a letter, Dec 5, 2001

Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL) is misleadin' to Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI):

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the! e means of delivering them." -- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI) is misleadin' to Al Gore:

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Al Gore is misleadin' to Al Gore:

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." -- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

Al Gore is misleadin' to Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA): "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA) is misleadin' to Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV):

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." -- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV) is misleadin' to Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA):

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA) is misleadin' to Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV):

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 
Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV) is misleadin' to Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA):

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" -- Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA) is misleadin' to Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY):

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY) is misleadin' to Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL): "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL) is misleadin' to Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA):

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

John F. Kerry (D, MA) is misleadin' only to Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA).

"Some of our greatest moments have been acts of courage for which no one could have ever prepared. We will always remember the words of that brave man expressing the spirit of a great country. We will never forget all we have lost and all we are fighting for. Ours is the cause of freedom. We've defeated freedom's enemies before, and we will defeat them again. We cannot know every turn this battle will take, yet we know our cause is just and our ultimate victory is assured. We will no doubt face new challenges, but we have our marching orders. My fellow Americans, Let's Roll." - President George W. Bush on the eve of the War Against Terror, quoting Todd Beamer, one of the Flight 93 Patriots

"George Bush has misled the American people." - John F. Kerry -(D-MA)

Arrow.....you just rested everyone's case, except one. Thanks so much for the research....I'm gonna print this page for further referance.

W-hole. Did you read how all the Dems were also lying about WMD. I said at the beginning....your comments are about your dislike for Bush, not about anything else. If a Democrat was in right now, you'd be saying nothing.

Good history lesson from Arrow and Scamp!

Pack

Arrow ... . You da man ... oh wait . .. aw you know what I mean

Packy,

Did the researchmany moons ago, pull it out every now and again to help a poor wayfarin' stranger get on the right path...:a: :re: :p

Bill,

Aw shucks, thanks.....I think....;)

Arrow>>>>>>>

Like FDR said in the early 1940"s......."There Isn't But A Dimes Bit Of Difference Between The Democrat And Republician Party". Of coarse they was all giving their openion of Hussian. I said it before he's nothing but a scum bag, and all his butcher/dictator compadres all over the world.

Thanks, Sis, for the wonderful repeat History 101 lesson! How quickly some people seem to forget.....