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More 'supporting The Troops' From The Repubs???
Do Republicans really support the troops?
The heartbreaking stories that appeared this week in The Washington Post and the Army Times would make one question their devotion to the morale and welfare of those who paid such a high price for President Bush's war. Both publications told stories of badly wounded men and women who had their lives saved on the battlefield, only to be trapped in what the Post called "a messy bureaucratic battlefield nearly as chaotic as the real battlefields they faced overseas." Walter Reed Army Medical Center has become "a holding ground for physically and psychologically damaged outpatients," the Post reported. Some have been languishing in crumbling, squalid buildings infested with mice and cockroaches for months, and in some cases, years, for the military to process their paperwork and determine disability ratings and future treatment for their injuries. The Army Times reported that the military has gotten as good as civilian insurers (and the VA!) in the area of what's become known as "denial management," or making sure clients don't get the benefits their entitled too. A 30 percent or higher disability rating entitles a wounded soldier to a lifetime pension and medical benefits. Less than that, and you receive a lump sum payment and no medical help. Even though there have been thousands of badly maimed soldiers from nearly six years of war, the Army is handing out fewer permanent disability benefits than ever. The Army Times reported that in 2001, 10 percent of the soldiers going through the medical retirement process received permanent disability benefits. By 2005, only 3 percent got benefits. And, as of last year, the Veterans Administration also has a 400,000-case backlog on new medical claims. President Bush promised in the 2000 election and again in the 2004 campaign that his administration would REDUCE this "backlog" and REDUCE the waiting time for veterans to receive a decision on their medical claims. Just the OPPOSITE has taken place-----------There are MORE claims 'pending' than when he took office in 2001 AND 2005! And, the waiting times for a decision on these cases have INCREASED rather than decreased! So much for supporting our troops. Any Republican running for re-election in 2008 should be continually reminded of the gap between their words and actions regarding the Iraq war and the intolerable treatment of the men and women who have been maimed while fighting it. If the 2006 election wasn't enough of a wake-up call for the Republican Party, the GOP has positioned itself to electoral oblivion in 2008!......... If the Republicans still want to stand shoulder to shoulder behind a failed president and his failed war polices, they will pay a steep price at the polls in 2008. Bottom line!..... This is one more way, besides not providing enough troops in the beginning to prevent the mad house we now see in Iraq, not providing adequate body armor, not building enough 'up-armored' hummers right, not taking care of the military families, cutting their pay, and sending recovering, wounded soldiers to languish in cockroach infested hospitals/former motels while the Army does all it can to prevent them from getting their benefits, that the Bush administration and its lackeys' at the Defense Department are failing, or worse, betraying, this generation of our beloved troops. When there is talk of supporting the troops, add these things to the list of ways the radical right wing has failed to do its job. There WILL be a further "house-cleaning" in 2008, I can't wait to see these so-called "compassionate CONservatives" thrown out on their fat-cat asses! |
Gimpy,...
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!..........."Bush's war"?????????
The next thing you'll try PROTESTER or DNC LINE telling people is that all those whom: "Paid such a high price" didn't do so for God, Country, "9/11" and Liberations of both Afghanistan & Iraq. Besides, and since: "Recapture The White House ABOVE ALL ELSE" Dems now control The U.S. Congress and/or "The American Purse String", why not just fix things as needed instead of perpetually belly-aching? Such just not as politically advantageous?????????? Neil P.S. Gimpy, Thanks again for helping me/us out. |
Neil
You definately need all the help you can get!------- :D
I'm just so pleased that I can provide you with some of it. |
Gimpy,...
Cute.
But, how come not answering why Dems now in charge,... don't: "Just fix things needed instead of perpetually belly-aching"? I'm sure others would like to hear the answer, ALSO. Neil |
Don't worry
Recon, my yankee buddy.
It's coming----------and YOU and those like you aren't going to like one bit when all is said and done. Finally, after more than 6 years of absolutely NO OVERSIGHT and NO CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS on the planning, funding and execution of the Iraq war and it's aftermath (not Afganistan), much less anything else, you'll see and find out just how inept, incompetent, misguided and phucked up the folks in charge of this crap REALLY are! Where the hell was Congressional "oversight" these past 6 years, huh? Why wasn't the Senate and House Armed Service and Veterans Affairs commitees investigating these issues that have been around ever since YOUR political party took control, huh? I'll tell you why, because the Whitehouse and the politcos in charge of this administraion ordered them NOT TOO! With the Democrats now in charge of these commitees, the American public will finally get to see how ill prepared and inadequately suppiled and cared for by this administration our beloved troops have been. It is a crying damn shame folks like YOU are so blinded by your ridiculous partisanship that you are either unwilling or unable to see the damn TRUTH! But, like I said-----soon, very soon.......The American public WILL SEE! |
Gimpy...
For The Guys & Gals (re. Troops) and all our sakes,...
SURE-AS-HELL-HOPE-YOU'RE-RIGHT!!! Still,...I just cannot believe that The Clinton and/or Fonda Crowd will do a Total 180 in character and honesty, and/or pretty-much change their favoring all ACLU & DNC or Leftist Missions & Objectives every time over any U.S. Military Missions & Ojectives (survival also),... plus America's VERY SURVIVAL to-boot. Also, don't see any changes ever happening since much like insatiably vicious and predatory leopards, similar type pack politicians never changing their spots (naturally Election Times excluded). Neil |
Re: Gimpy...
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Have you forgotten that the Democrats have already appropiated an INCREASE of of $3.6 billion MORE than the previous Congress (Republican) and more than $4 billion additional funds that did GEE-W for veterans health care? |
Gimpy,...
Guess that: "GEE-W" and; "The previous Congress (Republican)"
INCREASE of 20 BILLION$ (largest single increase in VA History) doesn't matter either,...to YOU & DEMS. Why is that? Neil |
No Neil
You're WRONG.................It DOES matter! And the increases were more than appreciated.
The PROBLEN with YOU and those like you who fail to comprehend the F-A-C-T-S of the situation is that you will NOT admit that MORE than HALF of that $$$$ money, single most in VA history was in fact MANDATORY FUNDING distributed NOT by Bush, but by LAW.........for VA compensation (set by LAW) and mandatory cost of living pay increases for VA employees! It was NOT a "gift" from Bush OR the Republicans, but in fact set by the LAW OF THE LAND! These "moneys" are mandated by the Federal Law. The actual amount of $$$$ moneys that were appropiated BY BUSH and the Republican Congress ARE and WERE far below the actual COSTS and funds required to operate the VA health care system. This is NOT ONLY ME saying this, but each and every single military veterans service organization in this country!---Ie; DAV, VFW, AMVETS, Vietnam Veterans of America, American Legion, etc, etc! You folks just will NEVER admit to these facts, but just continue to use the "spin" and "propanganda" coming from all the right-wing publications and republicans that DO NOT TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH! You are bilnded by your own partisanship, or just to damn uninformed to grasp the F-A-C-T-S! |
Gimpy...
Apparently since President George W. Bush promoted that: "LAW"
and The Republican Congress then in control of: "The American Purse String" then drew up and passed that: "LAW",................. SUCH ALSO must be denied, perverted & set aside by YOU & DEM Leaders. Again,...why is that? Do Dems believe most Americans even without short term memories? Neil |
Neil
You are so full of shit you're starting to STINK up the place!
That damn "LAW" was passed DECADES AGO........By none other than a DEMOCRATIC Congress. Mandatory funding for VA disability compensation and VA employees was "Law of the land" long before Gee-W and the Republican controlled Congress took over control of our government. You are in dire need of a Re-education of american history my yankee friend. If it were left to Gee-W and your repulsive republicans there NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN this "Law" in the first place! |
Gimpy...
NONSENSE!!! It YOU INSTEAD whom aire: "Full of shit",
me perpetually Democrat Excusing & Democrat Pontificating,... and fanatically partisan spouting Southern Bro. If The Law Passing for Bush's single 20 BILLION DOLLAR INCREASE (largest in VA History) were actually passed: "DECADES AGO" by Democrats, how come The Democrats didn't part with same 20 BILLION$,... "DECADES AGO"? Just doesn't wash or make any sense, Gimpy. Was VA that WONDERFUL & WELL FUNDED by Dems,..."DECADES AGO"?? Also, and since you wonderful Socialists/Leftists posing as Liberals have had TOTAL CONTROL of U.S. Congresses and/or: "The American Purse String" (ie. MY/YOUR/OUR MONEY) for about 53 of the last 60 or so years,...how come all the: "VA Horror Stories" & Problems ONLY NOW so concerned about? Couldn't fix things adequately in 53 years, and NOW crucify or fault Republicans for similarly failing in 6 (while at war also)??? Seems like just another pandering to Veterans ploy for: "Recapturing The White House"? Surely appears so. Neil |
Re: Gimpy...
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[/quote] Originally posted by Gimpy You are so full of shit you're starting to STINK up the place! That damn "LAW" was passed DECADES AGO........By none other than a DEMOCRATIC Congress. Mandatory funding for VA disability compensation and VA employees was "Law of the land" long before Gee-W and the Republican controlled Congress took over control of our government. You are in dire need of a Re-education of american history my yankee friend. If it were left to Gee-W and your repulsive republicans there NEVER WOULD HAVE BEEN this "Law" in the first place! [/quote] Quote:
Neil, Are you really THAT stupid? Or just so brain-washed that your comprehension skills have deteriorated to the point of incoherent raving and ranting? You questioned the "LAW" of the land regarding "mandatory funding for VA disability compensation and VA employess pay raises! And, I addressed that with historical, documented proof (Congressional record and roll call votes you can validate for yourself at Congress's web site!) I was't refering to your ridiculous comment about "If The Law Passing for Bush's single 20 BILLION DOLLAR INCREASE"...your quote! Anyway, this so-called "increase" wasn't passed in ONE year you ding bat! It was the TOTAL INCREASE since he's been in office for the past SIX PHUCKING YEARS!. Really, are you THAT STUPID???? What you STILL fail to comprehend is that THE DAMN LAW that "requires" MANDATORY FUNDING, ie....VA disability compensation & VA employees pay raises, (which was MORE than half of the "Bush 20 Billion increase"over these past six years) was in F-A-C-T passed into L-A-W many DECADES ago by a Democratic Congress. So then, you can T-H-A-N-K a Democratic Congress for MORE than half of that damn $20 Billion! You REALLY, REALLY need to do some accurate RESEARCH you ding-bat! You absolutely have no phucking clue what in the hell you're talking about. Kinda like these three guys below. But, that's NO surprise, is it?---- :D |
Neil,
Check out the voting records on Republicans on Veterans issues. It's a real eye opener. Also, being a Life Member of the DAV, PVA, and the MOPH, I have been reading their reports with great interest. I am sickened by what I read and the funding not keeping up with what is needed. None of those organizations can be considered Leftest. If anything, they are very middle to right. Wake up, my party, and yours, dropped the ball on our returning military and Veterans. I have had to take a bite of the big shit sandwich.....maybe you need to also. Pack |
Thanks
My Dear Southern Brother!
I'm really NOT sure that our yankee friend has the cajones to step up to the plate like you have. I am forever grateful to be able to say that YOU are one of the most honest, forthright and honorable individuals I have ever had the pleasure of calling my 'BROTHER'! FACTS are FACTS no matter which side of the political spectrum you follow. I thank you once again for proving that. |
Packo...
Don't know why you're telling me all that (?),...since honestly
believing that all politics and especially career-politicians and their devout excusers & lackey ass-kissers ALL SUCK!!!!!!!!! Whether feigning caring for The People, Military, Veterans and even: "Criminally Illegal Aliens"(The CORRECT nomenclature),...... most all politicians SUCK!!! Just believe all grown-ups should serve some good or worthwhile purpose for society and The People, or be somehow productive & constructive,...INSTEAD. Naturally, I believe Republicans/Conservatives infinitely more and could never trust any Democrat/Socialist/Leftist Leaders. I'm no nationally-suicidal fool or just plain stupid. Neither am I some pompous-ass power & control hungry politician or fanatically-duped follower of such. Also, Mom & Dad raised no easily-led-by-the-nose idiots. Hell and if honest,...it would make much more sense believing what Osama's or terrorists of this world promise,...rather that what Fonda-like Clintons and Kerry and most all other Democrat Lords & Ladies normally promise. Promise taking more of YOUR money(?),...of course must be believed. Besides, Packo. You can ACTUALLY count on Dems or Dem Bums to ACTUALLY Support The Veterans & VA just about as much as such Political Supremacists NOW ACTUALLY: "Support The Troops"??? Just watch a little TV,...if doubting me (nice little rhyme). ;) Plus, isn't 53 YEARS much more than 6 YEARS of TOTAL CONTROL, anyway? The big disparity quite obvious to me. Neil P.S. Tell your Political Nut Buddy Gimpy to calm down and have some loco weed or something,...before popping-a-gasket. I/We already suffer more than enough of politically insulting and character-assassinating nonsense from, fanatical Democrats on TV and/or on Mainstream Press/Media. Certainly don't need any more of such, here on Patfiles. Don't think such suitable. Also, supposed to be grownups. |
Neil,
We've owned the congress since 1994. That would be 13 years and I don't remember Clinton ever vetoing any big spending bills for the VA and other veterans programs. In other words, had we been FULLY funding the VA, and Clinton vetoed the bills, then I would say your correct, but that hasn't happened. I'm no Clinton fan nor defending him, and also understand that for at least 38 years the Dems owned the congress and the VA was never fully funded. Again, that's HISTORY. We've been in control and from what I've seen, Congressional voting records, the Republicans, my party, have been voting against bills fully funding the VA. It's in the record.....go look. I also saw the funding cuts in the military during the Dems Congressional years, and have seen our military get better pay and benefits since the Republicans took over, BUT and this is a BIG BUT, they have not been kind to veterans and by God, cut funding to the million dumbass programs, like 15 billion to Africa for AIDS, and fully fund the VA! President Bush said "A promise made is a promise kept" when discussing Veterans benefits. He has not lived up to that and neither has the Congress. I've seen the Republican led commissions that have been formed to find out how to cut benefits to Veterans. The biggest, denying 100% Service Connected Veterans Social Security. It's wrong, it's apples and oranges, and it out right stinks. I haven't even mentioned the Commission to look into how to get rid of PTSD basically as a diagnosis. The other outrage is holding 100% disabled Vets accountable for their volunteer time at VA hospitals. The reasoning is, gee, if they can volunteer, they are not disabled. Gross and again, Discusting! My Congress has let me down and millions of other veterans and I am disgusted by it and am no way a leftist/liberal, and if I can feel this way, there are also lots of other Vets with my same political leanings that are disgusted also. Pack |
Packo...
OK,...let's change the numbers.
48 years (almost half-a-century) of Dem Congressional Control still MUCH MORE than 12 years of Republican Control. Besides, Dems tend to downsize and demoralize The U.S. Military. Whereas Republicans only build it up & restore morale. Just as usually forced doing about scurrilous politics,... I normally go along with those showing themselves being the lesser of two evils. Guess I'm just too survival oriented? Neil |
Neil
Mah deah Frand & Brother J.E.B. Packo, esquire.....speaks the truth!
Now, put on your 'dunce cap' and go to the corner of the room until you can write one thousand (1000) times...... Repubs DO NOT SUPPORT military veterans -----Democrats DO SUPPORT military veterans! Hopefully this exercise will sharpen your skills of 'comprehension', as well as improve your 'math' skills!...... :D :D ;) PS----You might want to improve your 'history skills' as well by doing a little RESEARCH into WHO and WHICH political party was the most recent to "downsize" our beloved military. It was none other than one of your 'HEROS", DICK CHENEY, who in 1991 REDUCED the U.S. Army from 2.7 million down to 1.4 million! A reduction in force that we are still suffering from until this day! It was of course in his "master plan" to 'privatize' our military and replace those 1.3 million troops he 'cut' from federal payrolls with his OWN brand of 'replacements' from Halliburton so he could then fill his greedy BIG pockets with federal 'contract' funds! Real fine fella that Cheney boy,.....YEAH RIGHT........ |
Gimpy...
So what's-the-big-deal?
The Democrats now in Total Control can merely wave their magical wands and restore military back to the 2.7 million number, that YOU refer to. Regardless,...any sane Americans should never believe any such increase in The U.S. Military ever coming from Democrats. Just not being very sensible,...except for Democrat calls for re-instituting The Draft. Besides, how-the-hell can people herd-like or in concert NOW denying funding a much lesser amount of U.S. Troops during wartime,...BE SO STUPID as to believe YOUR nonsensically stating that: "Democrats DO SUPPORT military veterans"??? Don't all Troops eventually become Veterans, if lucky? So then, how-the-hell can it be believed that The Clinton: "I despise The U.S. Military" types,...NOW ACTUALLY: "DO SUPPORT military veterans"??? GET REAL, Gimpy & Such. Such political phoniness just doesn't wash. Also, and to partially quote the namesake of: "The Party of Lincoln" and/or The Republican Party and when Statesmen prevailed: "YOU (re. Dems) can't fool a all The People ALL THE TIME",...and especially since Dems always so-damn obvious of purpose or REAL, PREFERRED & CONTRARY AGENDAS. Neil |
My Deah
Yankee buddy, Neil.
Do you know just how ridiculously ignorant you sound? Reducing the defense budget began under President Reagan's second term, and then gathered steam under the first President Bush's administration. It was President GHW Bush's secretary of defense, Dick Cheney, who even targeted MORE areas of the military that should be cut. There were also bipartisan committees which cut military bases because we didn't need them. The Cold War was over. The USSR was no more. The US had no other major enemies in the world. Both the democrats and republicans in congress were under great pressure from Americans to cut the massive military spending because they were unneeded and our taxes could be put to better use. Although republicans have never seen a weapon they didn't like, they still ADVOCATED, PUSHED FOR, AND APPROVED the cuts in defense, under President Clinton. 709,000 REGULAR (ACTIVE DUTY) PERSONNEL (cut by republican-controlled congress) 293,000 RESERVE TROOPS (cut by republican-controlled congress) EIGHT STANDING ARMY DIVISIONS (cut by republican-controlled congress) 20 AIR FORCE AND NAVY AIR WINGS WITH 2,000 COMBAT AIRCRAFT (cut by republican-controlled congress) 232 STRATEGIC BOMBERS (cut by republican-controlled congress) 19 STRATEGIC BALLISTIC MISSILE SUBMARINES WITH 3,114 NUCLEAR WARHEADS AND 232 MISSILES (cut by republican-controlled congress) 500 ICBMs WITH 1,950 WARHEADS (cut by republican-controlled congress) FOUR AIRCRAFT CARRIERS AND 121 SURFACE COMBAT SHIPS AND SUBMARINES (cut by republican-controlled congress) PLUS ALL THE SUPPORT BASES, SHIPYARDS, AND LOGISTICAL ASSETS NEEDED TO SUSTAIN SUCH A NAVAL FORCE (cut by republican-controlled congress) Republicans will continue to use propaganda to try to blame the democratic party, or democratic candidates, of voting against defense spending. But with regard to cutting the defense during the Clinton years, republicans are blaming CLINTON for something they did. The republican party under President Clinton is responsible for eliminating all of the above listed weapons. Blame the democrats? Hardly. Any "blame" is firmly sitting on the republican's laps. But they are too dishonest to admit it. Lastly, there are two huge exceptions to the republican defense cutting under President Clinton. When Newt Gingrich was Speaker of the House, he managed to get more tax dollars poured into his district than any other congressional district in the entire country----EVER!. Representative Gingrich managed to slip in an additional billion dollars worth of pork in a defense bill to build aircraft that the Pentagon did not want, did not need, and could not maintain. And the Pentagon didn't even request the aircraft. It was a classic case of pork gathering by republican representative Gingrich. And when Mississippi's Senator Trent Lott was the Republican Senate Majority Leader under President Clinton, he succeeded in getting a billion dollar contract slipped into a defense bill to build an aircraft carrier in his state. Again, the Pentagon did not want, did not need, and could not maintain the aircraft carrier. And the Pentagon didn't even request the aircraft carrier. Republican Trent Lott's state had more pork spending than any other state in the country. And if that wasn't bad enough, Trent Lott tried to bail out one of his biggest Mississippi campaign contributors using taxpayer money. This contributor owned a chicken processing company that made a bad business deal with a Russian company. The company lost 350 million dollars. Trent Lott tried to sneak in a provision into a bill that would have bailed out that business with 350 million dollars of our hard-earned money. At the last moment, Trent Lott's scheme was found out and he was forced to pull that portion of the bill out the night before it was going to be voted on. If you own a business and make a bad business decision would you expect the government to bail you out? Well, if you gave enough money to corrupt politicians like Trent Lott you could expect to be rewarded for your support. The republican party touts itself as being the party of "fiscal responsibility" but they are far from it. Their party members appear clueless to reality, because under Clinton, Senator Trent Lott and Representative Newt Gingrich were the two biggest pork gatherers in our government's history. So then, if you're looking for BLAME for "cutting" defense spending------------if you're HONEST???--------------You MUST include the republican controlled Congress during the Clinton years, AND Dick Cheney as the first Bushs' Secretary of Defense in the early 1990s', and ironically even Ronald Reagen! These F-A-C-T-S are undisputed and in the PUBLIC RECORD! |
I don't think a politican one supports our troops. I think with this bkickering about funding the war with a pull out is no that using our men and women in uniform as polictical pawns for their own beneftis wether it be the Executive Office or the Congress.
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Robert,...
You're half right.
"Political pawns" ONLY for Democrat Controlled Congress. Pelosi handling Democrats own SEPARATE Foreign Policy with Syria,...pretty-much proves the point. Neil |
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