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?Is this not akin to saying that organizations like the KGB and Gestapo should have also been exempt from any restrictions or final retribution as concerns their horrendous torture of Prisoners of War and others was concerned?? Being an American, after all, has never been a matter of a convenience of the moment, and although I firmly agree that this current terrorism-bent enemy is a brutal bastard, and that each case may have to be handled on an individual basis, how can we (like Senator McCain said) expect a double standard as concerns the treatment of any captives? A Bill now sits before Congress (as you know) that would grant the Purple Heart to our own POWs who died in captivity from causes that include beatings, starvation, neglect, exposure etc - and our guys in the field are (and were) just average Joes doing the job that they were trained to do! They are not supermen, they are not spies or secret agents, they are not criminals, and they sure as Hell (if captured) don?t merit brutal torture (even to death), in my opinion! And as for those who never came home, and who's fate is still unknown - "The only thing more tragic that a sorrowful ending is (they say) no ending at all!" Being a POW in some filthy, infested foreign hellhole is bad enough! And for the record, being a POW in itself, can be an extremely dangerous and life-shortening situation! As a matter of fact, some 59% of our men who were captured in the early part of the Korean War alone (24th. Division etc), expired in captivity in the infamous Tiger Camp, and enemy brutality like this has been common-pace throughout history! In closing, I wonder what the Geneva Convention would have to say about this regimen of torture? But then again, I once wondered if this same Geneva Convention had anything to say about (proven) unwitting experimentation upon our own uniformed personnel, as per DAIG IN 21-75, Chief of Staff Memorandum 385, and the Church Senate Reports of 1977 (and these men were not the enemy)? The Powers That Be, however, when I aired the subject, quickly attempted to convince me that talking about this situation, like Cheney's view on torture now, was a non-issue and a verboten angelegenheit (a forbidden subject)! ?I AM TIRED AND SICK OF WAR. ITS GLORY IS ALL MOONSHINE. IT IS ONLY THOSE WHO HAVE NEITHER FIRED A SHOT, NOR HEARD THE SHRIEKS AND GROANS OF THE WOUNDED, WHO CRY OUT LOUD FOR BLOOD etc! WAR IS HELL!? (General William T. Sherman 1820-1891, at a speech to the Michigan Military Academy in 1879) ?SOME OF THOSE WHO DICTATE THE POLICIES AND BRUTALITIES IN WAR, AND THIS FROM MANY MILES AWAY, MAY SOME DAY END UP IN SAME HELL THAT SHERMAN DESCRIBED FROM HIS OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCES!? (a "Hardcore opinion- 11/11/2005) ?And for the record, how can we court martial and jail those Americans who merely humiliated enemy captives at our POW facilities in Iraq and Cuba, and then (in the same breath) have a few in power, authorize and condone the same (if not worse) practices of torture upon other POWs? Is this not hypocritical?? ?Again, these are but my own personal opinions!? VERITAS |
IF we don't honor what we say we want others to then we are hypocrite's and this allows them to do what ever they want without being subject to the International Laws. Does this sound familiar?
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I have always respected Senator McCain. I agree there should be not torture (that he expereinced at the hands of North Vietanames Captives). But there just taking the prisoner and not finding out much needed intel could also hurt military ops. What is the solution then?
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ROBERT -
I agree that much Intel can be had from POWs, but if we torture these people, that makes us no better than they are in my opinion! And again, it does open up the doors of atrocity, and expands the likelihood of this being done to our own people as well.... As far as genuine solutions are concerned, the people getting paid to come up with these solutions apparently have no ideas? Maybe they should try truth serum, psychological methods, or some other non-brutal way of attaining information, I don't know? "We certainly have the technology to devise something!" But as it now stands, apparently some of the methods that were used in the Inquisition are still in force? What I do know, however, is that if we brutalize, they brutalize! And this would give the United Nations, the World Court, and the rest of those world-wide flakes an excuse to run rampant and cry hypocrite! And apparently, world opinion and diplomacy in war (oxymoron) are of more concern than wining any more? Torture, however is (in my opinion) not always the way! It flies in the face of all that we say we stand for, and makes us no better than the beasts that we are opposing! And when that day finally comes when we stand tall before the Man, and it comes to us all - regardless of national origin, what excuse can we use then to explain away the real differences between us an them? For all mankind stands naked in the final accounting, and worldly titles, wealth and power, then mean less than nothing, as they are all stripped from the bones of pride and arrogance in the end! Unfortunately, however, wars sometimes must be fought, and war is indeed Hell! But when we resort to the torture of an enemy of the state, and utilize this act as a weapon of war, it may indeed save lives, but I genuinely fear that it also loses souls! :d: VERITAS |
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