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Originally posted by 39mto39g James
I would have to agree somewhat with what you said "The Bush adminstration's entirely inept diplomatic policies have isolated America from the mainstream, estranged us from our allies and its phonied up evidence that took us into Iraq has sunk America's crediblity worldwide. "
The problem with our ineptness started long before Bush, Probably in Korea when MacArthur wanted to drop a A-bomb on North Korea and Truman Fired him. Ever since then its like we were George Foreman and the rest of the world was Jerry Lewis, Jerry comes around and Kicks George and runs off. More and more Jerry's have stepped in for a Kick. some day we will have to either give up to the Jerry's of the world or Drop a few of them. I vote for the dropping of a few, and then a few more just cause we can.
Id talk to Iran the day after I leveled Tehran, you would get a little more respect on that day. Life in that part of the world would all of a sudden be easier.
Soon after that I would just point a finger at North Korea and smile.
Ron
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well, Ron, there's a lot of other just like you--sorta surprises me youre caling yourself a Democrat.
but what you seem to be advocating--nuclear responses-- is sort of like killing all the ants in a hill with a shotgun--you won't accomplish your objective but you sure will get them all riled up.
Youre forgetting certain facts--like Seoul and Pyongyang aren't that far apart. The last people wanting us to take out Pyongyang with nukes is the SOuth Koreans--I mean the 2d to last people.
It seems to me like we're in the classic Mexican Standoff with Iran and NK, the same place we were in Vnam--not talkiing to them. Thats what held up peace in the nam for years: our complete refusal to talk to a Communist regime. How many people got killed while they were trying to decide the shape of the table?
We did all our diplomacy throuh a Swiss embassy which passed it to the Polish embassy which forwarded it to Vnam. Sort of a Tinkers to Evers to Chance situation in a time that demanded direct face to face contact. Ultimately it WAS decided face to face so all the stalling to get to that point caused lives to be lost--LOTS of lives.
So Bush has gotten us into that same place, evidently having never understood the lessons of Vietnam. This is because he doesn't have ANY combat vets in his cabinet and the one that he did (Powell) advised him not to go into Iraq.
No combat or Vietnam vets at all in Bush's cabinet!! Oh yeah, he supports veterans all right. He picked a 5 times deffered draft dodger as his running mate. (with THREE DUIs between them!)
I can't believe how inept the Bush's administration's diplomacy has been. They can't claim triumphs in ANY area!! We're supporting the whole war in Iraq essentially by ourselves because Britain was the only major ally to go in with us. I mean other than Guatemala and Tonga. Remember all that happy talk?? Others will join when they see how successful we are? Don't hear any more of THAT do we?
The Bush adminstration has done the worst job diplomatically of any administration I've evr seen, there's nothing in my lifetime to compare with their ineptness.
re the Iraq Study Group. This whole thing was done to cover BUsh's ass for the worst mistake in American History. The Republicans desperately want a "Bi-partisan cover" now that the world has realized the magnitude of the disaster they've led us into.
Who put this group together? the Carlyle Group?
ANY solution to the Iraq War has to go through Bush, he's the one who implements policy. Pelosi doesn't command armies, Reid doesn't drive to work in a tank either.
What the Republicans are trying to do it focus on Whats Pelosi going to do about it?? But Pelosi isn't Co-President she's the speaker of the House--different duties, different responsiblities.
We need to keep the focus on Whats BUSH going to do about it.
He's the one responsible for starting this war and ultimately he's the one who will be responsible for ending it, assuming he doesn't cravenly abdicate that job to his successor---which it looks like he is gioing to do.
The war in Iraq is Bush's legacy. HE cherry picked the evidence, went against the only combat vet in his cabinet's advice to get us into it. Every one killed in ths war is his responsibility, which he will spend the rest of his life trying to duck.
Stay good, Ron
James