On 20 Jan 2004 1259 -0800, arnold_wolfcastle_gupta@yahoo.co.in
(Arnold Wolfcaste) wrote:

>http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/131219.shtml
>
>Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
>and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.

JFK didn't start that mess, IKE and Nixon did. grow up and get you
facts straight. All you republicans do is lie lie lie!!!
>
>Denouncing America with ‘Hanoi' Jane: Although Wesley Clark and others
>have attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski
>bum, Kerry is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays
>himself as.
>He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme
>appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War.

Excuse me asshole but it was this group that forced Nixon to end his
corporate welfare system (called the Viet Nam War). All the right
wing proto-yuppies with thie long hair and beads did nothing but throw
tantrums because they didn't want to join the Army and do as they were
told for a change. I am a Viet Nam Vet and I support that group.

>He consorted
>with the likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon
>Johnson's radical former attorney general.

so now FREEDOM of ASSOCIATION is crime against the Bush Reich????
Bush, Rockafella and other Republicans consorted with Hitler but
that's OK with you I see. And lets not forget Reagan's support of Bin
laden and Saddam and Bush's support of the Terrorist group called the
CONTRAS. That's OK with you too I see.
>
>He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971.
>Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans

Excuse me but your either a vet or your not. Again you lie.

>testify at a Howard
>Johnson's about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man
>who would be president later said he found the accounts shocking and
>irrefutable.

So I guess opposing a republican administration (and a damned crooked
one at that) is now high treason???? How Tory of you.
>
>Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted
>minimal media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because
>Fonda insisted it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the
>less "authentic" Washington, D.C.
>
>
>Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign
>Relations Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S.
>soldiers had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from
>portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off
>limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages,
>shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally
>ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

And the congress found the charges to be true. Put CIA*Phoenix into
google and you'll get 113,000 hits on the subject. Project Phoenx was
started by the CIA in 1967 and did some awful stuff. They used their
own people plus US Military people one of which I knew 15 years back.
>
>‘We are not the best': In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no
>communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew

Is this the same Spiro Agnew that had to resign because he was such a
crook and got caught???

>said ‘some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best
>men die in Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of
>those misfits abuse,' and this was used as a rallying point for our
>effort in Vietnam. But for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was
>supposed to support, his statement is a terrible distortion from which
>we can only draw a very deep sense of revulsion, and hence the anger
>of some of the men who are here in Washington today. It is a
>distortion because we in no way consider ourselves the best men of
>this country …."

>U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: "Kerry's testimony, it should be
>noted, occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known
>by the world to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in
>North Vietnamese prisons.

Inlcuding Republican John McCain who the Bush camp savaged and
mistreated during the primaries.

>Kerry was a supporter of the ‘People's Peace
>Treaty,'" a supposed ‘people's' declaration to end the war, reportedly
>drawn up in communist East Germany. It included nine points, all of
>which were taken from Viet Cong peace proposals at the Paris peace
>talks as conditions for ending the war."

SO? If someone says a certain kind of food tastes good do you spit it
out cause a commie said it??? Both communism and capitalism have good
parts but of course both are evil. If you take the best parts of each
system and combine it into a new system you are a winner.
>
>
>Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW
>in a protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a
>fence in front of the U.S. Capitol.

Its a common tradition in other countries and there's even a trade
where you buy medals like yours to use in the protest.

>Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day
>they hang on the wall of his office.

SO? I have original medals, wings and ribbons and a second set I wear
in parades and the like. I get them from
http://www.ultrathin.com/products.htm
and I'm plugging them because they do a decent job for a good price.
>
>
>Communist stooge:

And Bush is a capitalist stooge, what's your point?

>The communist Daily World delightedly published
>photos of him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers
>displayed a banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader
>Angela Davis, on record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of
>your system of government and your society," the New American recalled
>in May 2003.
>"By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found
>himself marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified
>as ‘revolutionary Communists.' While noting that known Reds had openly
>organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported
>the presence of an ‘abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised
>in the air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China,
>Cuba, the USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.'"
>
>Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: "As a national leader of
>VVAW, Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to
>contain the spread of Communism.

What bullshit. By that time we knew what was really going on. The
war was about protecting the oil leases David Rockafella had in the
South China Sea, about keeping republican owned war plants prfitable
(Plus some democrats too) and about paranoia and lies.

Once I Nam I asked a Viet about this BS about fighting in VN to not
fight in America and he said. "No fight in America, too cold there".

>He used the blood of servicemen still
>in the field for his own political advancement by claiming that their
>blood was being shed unnecessarily or in vain.

and he saved lives of other servicemen. Its just like today in Iraq.
There are things worth fighting for but by the 1970's Viet Nam was not
one of them.
>
>"Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United
>States soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist
>graffiti. They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under
>the flag of the Viet Cong enemy."

What lieing pig you are!!! You know NOITHING about what we Vets do.
It is our custome to wear part of our uniforms as a sign that the war
is only half over for us. The first half was in Viet Nam and the
second half was when we got back and treated like trash by you draft
dodging republican Tory traitors!!! The war was 30 years ago and I
still use the top of my TIGER SUIT in American Parades (I"m in
Australia right now and you march with a suit with your medals) and it
can get faded and a bit tattored in 30 years.
>
>Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used
>reports of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners.

So that was justification for the crap way you republicans and other
neo-con pigs treated him during the last primaries. Why hipocrits
you are.

>Retired General George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's
>actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy."

Mush like the Bush family gave aid, comfort, oil and supplies to
Hitler in WW2???
>
>In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial
>for photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged
>by his betrayal, have turned their backs on him.

Just like I would if Bush ever had the balls to show up at the Wall.
What disgrace, a coward at the wall of heros.

The rest of your BS is snipped.

Time for you to wake up and smell the 21st century. Communism and the
USSR died 14 years ago yet you keep looking for red dust bunnies under
your bed.

The enemy today is globalization, the New World Order and Bush. These
3 are far worse than communism or fascism. Hidnsight is always 20-20
and we know now that Viet Nam was a big mistake. Those of us who were
there believed in what we were doing then (my time was 66-67) but I
think differently now. Jane Fonda is a pig who did what she did to
further her movie career and is the Sarah Brady or Michael Moore of
the 60's. Other Veterans saw the light much earlier than I did and
were major actors in the VNVAW.

You have to hand them one thing. Unlike draft dodging scum like
Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitzt etc etc, the Vets didn't have a
hidden agenda like the hippie/proto-yuppies who didn't want their
pretty little corporate careers interupted. We were ther, we saw some
of the crooked stuff going on and we objected when we could.

THOM
Unlike Bush and the Bush white House (save Powell), a Viet nam vet