exlrrp: See, I knew you'd like it.
McNamara: I'm interested in anybody's reaction if they get to read Clifford's Counsel to the President, especially with regard to what Clifford and his allies tried to do within the administration as McNamara bailed out. My interest is not particularly in who was a bad guy and who was a good guy.
M. Aurelius: Seneca and Epictetus are the other two big name Stoics who left major works for us to read. There's a nice little Seneca volume, Letters from a Stoic (I think that's the title) that I especiallyt like. And the condensed version of Epictetus, the Manual (or Encheiridion) of Epictetus is available on line (as are his discourses). Great stuff.
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Everything is what it is and not something else. Joseph Butler, 1736
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