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Old 11-06-2003, 06:16 AM
EL CHINO BOATMEN'S CONSCIENCE
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Default MR HO AS A MURDERER (PART 1)

Thank You Mr. Zeller for your reply.
Unless I know why you disagreed with me when I praised Mr. Ho whom I
admired and denigrated some anti Communist scoundrels whom I
despised. , I can only assume that your disagreement stemmed from
your prejudice a combined product of your racism/ upbringing/social
background and education, i.e., lsuch as those on AWV who advocated
Killing a Commie A day, keep the fuckers away like Mr. Fob or Mr.
Thompson.

In this reply you gave a reason for your antagonism: "I don't have a
moral compass because I admired a Murderer, My Uncle Ho while I
denigrated Mr. Ngo Dinh Diem who, according to you, committed much
fewer murders"

This makes my reply much easier.

Mr HO AS A MURDERER

I don't accept your accusation that Mr. Ho was a murderer either with
his own hands or using proxy to murder innocent Vietnamese. Even the
Vietzankonghoa, except a few brainless, did not dare make that claim.

The Agrarian Revolution was a class warfare conducted by the
Communists to expropriate the lands of landlords to distribute them
to the tillers. It did lead to the death/murder of a large number
of targets/victims those the followers of the Communists considered
their class enemy during the 1954-1957 period.

It lasted about 2 to 3 years , mostly in preparing the mass and in
whipping up the landless peasants hate for the landlords, a minimum of
few thousands landlords were murdered. Some estimate as high as a
few tens thousands had been murdered but these were results of
interviews of refugees whose interest was to exaggerate the case to
gain acceptance, A few years ago on SCV a Brainless Vietzankonghoa,
Mr. Phantom of opera claimed he witnessed an execution of landlords in
which the Communist used buffalo drawn plough to kill landlords who
were buried up to the neck, a scene El Chino and probably also Mr.
Phantom had seen in an anti Communist Film produced in the US in the
1960s and actively used, overused and abused in Anti Communist
Propaganda
My own very rough estimate came from an unscientific survey in the
region of the Red River Delta where I visited about 30 villages and
in which I could interview in depth a few older villagers who were at
least at teenager age in 1954-1957.
I found on the average 1 person were executed per village. Not
necessarily the person with most land but someone, in addition to
possessing 3 or more acres of land (Note the average amount of
land/capita in Vietnam was about 0.2 acre ) is also a soldier in the
French Colonial Army, an informant for the colonial power or someone
who used his connection to bully other villagers to take their land or
their wives.
A few villages had two executed, a few had none. The Villages with two
are in the region of Phu Tho and Thai Binh both strongholds of
Communism, the villages with none are in the vicinity of Hanoi.
I am told that villages in the Provinces of Thanh Hoa, Nghe An and
Ha Tinh Birth Place of Uncle Ho where the Agrarian Revolution reached
its peak had more but rarely more than 2 dead per village. Since the
Agrarian Reform did not take place in the South and since there are
about 10,000 villages in the whole Vietnam, a figure of 5,000 victims
of the Agrarian reform seemed, to El Chino, reasonable..
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Old 11-06-2003, 04:52 PM
LIBERTY FLAME / LUA TU DO
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Default Re: MR HO AS A MURDERER (PART 1)

The history of Vietnam and China are full of stupid, greedy,
self-serving, cowards, who claimed to have big moral compasses,
shamelessly defend the brutal murders, abuses and exploitations
ruthlessly committed by tyrants!

That's why Vietnam and China are by far the poorest, most oppressed
countries on earth in the 21st century!



nguyen_viet_2000@yahoo.com (EL CHINO BOATMEN'S CONSCIENCE) wrote in message news:<6ea9eed5.0311060616.6c47b208@posting.google.com>...
> Thank You Mr. Zeller for your reply.
> Unless I know why you disagreed with me when I praised Mr. Ho whom I
> admired and denigrated some anti Communist scoundrels whom I
> despised. , I can only assume that your disagreement stemmed from
> your prejudice a combined product of your racism/ upbringing/social
> background and education, i.e., lsuch as those on AWV who advocated
> Killing a Commie A day, keep the fuckers away like Mr. Fob or Mr.
> Thompson.
>
> In this reply you gave a reason for your antagonism: "I don't have a
> moral compass because I admired a Murderer, My Uncle Ho while I
> denigrated Mr. Ngo Dinh Diem who, according to you, committed much
> fewer murders"
>
> This makes my reply much easier.
>
> Mr HO AS A MURDERER
>
> I don't accept your accusation that Mr. Ho was a murderer either with
> his own hands or using proxy to murder innocent Vietnamese. Even the
> Vietzankonghoa, except a few brainless, did not dare make that claim.
>
> The Agrarian Revolution was a class warfare conducted by the
> Communists to expropriate the lands of landlords to distribute them
> to the tillers. It did lead to the death/murder of a large number
> of targets/victims those the followers of the Communists considered
> their class enemy during the 1954-1957 period.
>
> It lasted about 2 to 3 years , mostly in preparing the mass and in
> whipping up the landless peasants hate for the landlords, a minimum of
> few thousands landlords were murdered. Some estimate as high as a
> few tens thousands had been murdered but these were results of
> interviews of refugees whose interest was to exaggerate the case to
> gain acceptance, A few years ago on SCV a Brainless Vietzankonghoa,
> Mr. Phantom of opera claimed he witnessed an execution of landlords in
> which the Communist used buffalo drawn plough to kill landlords who
> were buried up to the neck, a scene El Chino and probably also Mr.
> Phantom had seen in an anti Communist Film produced in the US in the
> 1960s and actively used, overused and abused in Anti Communist
> Propaganda
> My own very rough estimate came from an unscientific survey in the
> region of the Red River Delta where I visited about 30 villages and
> in which I could interview in depth a few older villagers who were at
> least at teenager age in 1954-1957.
> I found on the average 1 person were executed per village. Not
> necessarily the person with most land but someone, in addition to
> possessing 3 or more acres of land (Note the average amount of
> land/capita in Vietnam was about 0.2 acre ) is also a soldier in the
> French Colonial Army, an informant for the colonial power or someone
> who used his connection to bully other villagers to take their land or
> their wives.
> A few villages had two executed, a few had none. The Villages with two
> are in the region of Phu Tho and Thai Binh both strongholds of
> Communism, the villages with none are in the vicinity of Hanoi.
> I am told that villages in the Provinces of Thanh Hoa, Nghe An and
> Ha Tinh Birth Place of Uncle Ho where the Agrarian Revolution reached
> its peak had more but rarely more than 2 dead per village. Since the
> Agrarian Reform did not take place in the South and since there are
> about 10,000 villages in the whole Vietnam, a figure of 5,000 victims
> of the Agrarian reform seemed, to El Chino, reasonable..

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