Vietnam War Bibliography has moved

My Bibliography of the Vietnam War has had to shift to a new host
computer. Clemson University is getting rid of the old one, which was
quite old.

The new address for my bibliography will be
http://people.clemson.edu/~eemoise/bibliography.html

This is a substantial bibliography, listing well over 3,000 items.
For a few hundred of these, I have been able to provide direct links
to the full texts, available online.

Edwin E. Moise

Seems to be an extensive collection of material. Does it include all the
volumes of the HCIS and SCIS for the years both committees of the House and
Senate were in business during the war years which documents extensively how
the Soviets, Cubans and North Vietnamese were able to control the day to day
activities of the antiwar movement as well as testimony before the Senate
and House Select Committees on Intelligence ? Some of the Reports are
rather extensive. Also, the Chicago Crime Commission Report published by the
U.S. Senate.

"Ed Moise" wrote in message
news:145c66a2.0401051526.cac8cfb@posting.google.co m...
> My Bibliography of the Vietnam War has had to shift to a new host
> computer. Clemson University is getting rid of the old one, which was
> quite old.
>
> The new address for my bibliography will be
> http://people.clemson.edu/~eemoise/bibliography.html
>
> This is a substantial bibliography, listing well over 3,000 items.
> For a few hundred of these, I have been able to provide direct links
> to the full texts, available online.
>
> Edwin E. Moise

"JASON A. KAATZ" wrote in message news:...
> Seems to be an extensive collection of material. Does it include all the
> volumes of the HCIS and SCIS for the years both committees of the House and
> Senate were in business during the war years which documents extensively how
> the Soviets, Cubans and North Vietnamese were able to control the day to day
> activities of the antiwar movement as well as testimony before the Senate
> and House Select Committees on Intelligence ?

Can you cite me a specific volume, and if possible particular page
numbers, for this? Documentation demonstrating that the Soviets,
Cubans and North Vietnamese were able to control the day to day
activities of the antiwar movement might be pretty entertaining, since
no such control in fact existed.

Ed Moise

On 7 Jan 2004 13:53:55 -0800, eemoise@clemson.edu (Ed Moise) wrote:

>"JASON A. KAATZ" wrote in message news:...
>> Seems to be an extensive collection of material. Does it include all the
>> volumes of the HCIS and SCIS for the years both committees of the House and
>> Senate were in business during the war years which documents extensively how
>> the Soviets, Cubans and North Vietnamese were able to control the day to day
>> activities of the antiwar movement as well as testimony before the Senate
>> and House Select Committees on Intelligence ?
>
>Can you cite me a specific volume, and if possible particular page
>numbers, for this? Documentation demonstrating that the Soviets,
>Cubans and North Vietnamese were able to control the day to day
>activities of the antiwar movement might be pretty entertaining, since
>no such control in fact existed.
>
>Ed Moise
Go to archive VietNam at ttu.edu and type in nlf in the search engine.
You get something on the order of 2950 hits. Some of the documents
are obscure little references, but they are interesting.

Ed: The material evidence is contained in the former House Committee and
Senate Committee's on Internal Security. Not just law enforcement testimony,
or intelligence, a lot of people turned states evidence years ago. Some in
the antiwar movement are very frank about what went on. I would suspect
that you have in the archives the former "Situation Report" published by
retired FBI and CIA officials years ago as well. Even in the TFR reports
the Soviets admit they paid and had a degree of control over
the movements. Adm. Stansfield Turner one cited his concern very
aggressively and at one point in time, on several occasions you have the
writings of former Soviet defectors. You can also go through the old Union
Calendars of the HCIS and SCIS which will ID all the reports for the years
the House and Senate ran the committees concerned.

At one point in time the CIA had acquired several intelligence manuals.
However, Adm. Turner's testimony before the Senate Intel Cmte is a very
strong word document. There is testimony of antiwar activists and UC
operators who were inside Cuba during those years who met with North
Vietnamese agents and provided them a wealth of material that would enable
the communist to place pressure on POWs and their families. There are also
House Operations Committee reports. Keep in mind the majority of the
reports were unclassified. All of those reports are based upon sworn
testimony coupled with supporting witnesses and experts a like.

The U.S. Peace Movement was controlled by a single Soviet General and
probably still is. There was also the Manual that was developed to better
understand Soviet lexicon and semantics. A highly intellectual document.

It is also common knowledge that based upon the testimony of FBI and other
national security experts there a decision to deport both Cuban and Soviets
who were known to be operating inside the U.S. running operations that
extend far beyond the diplomatic duties. One of the most interesting cases
was the apprehension of a Soviet KGB officer who recruited college
professors and intellectuals at Columbia. John Baron and writers like Chris
Andrew wrote some extensive volumes of work. Claire Sterling. Others as
well wrote extensively on the subject.

Then you have cases like Burchett who was recruited in 1934 by the Soviets -
he was linked to known American terrorists and activists in the antiwar
movement. The FBI once raided a location and found the diaray and telephone
address book of an international terrorists who was a key activist in the
antiwar movement.

You also have an extensive background of the Tricotinental Conference in
Cuba in the early 1960's in which the leaders of the antiwar movements in
several countries as well as known terrorists attended. Approval to hold it
in Cuba was approved by the Supreme Soviet chambers. The Soviets, Chinese
and Cubans Chaired it. Their were coordinating lines between all of these
groups from country to country. As a result of that conference some 750,
perhaps more law enforcement officers were murdered in the U.S.,
specifically targeted. The Soviets established PLU in Moscow for the
specific purpose of training a cadre of terrorists. The Political Warfare
Schools outside of Havana and in the Czech country side on the Danube River,
specific sites in the former USSR and Eastern Block.

The Soviets spent billions of rubles in developing programs against the
West. Some books like KGB The Inside Story are merely one of many written
by top Soviet agents who once operated in the West and later defected to the
U.S.. On the Wrong Side, and several volumes of books by British and Soviet
defectors. There are volumes of books and studies on Soviet penetration
techniques and how the used various CP against the West, well documented.
Hundreds of antiwar activists sent to Cuba to help cut sugar Cain actually
received training at political warfare schools outside of Havana. Included
are documented photographs. Cuban diplomats and many of their agents were
thrown out of the U.S.. Then you have hundreds upon hundreds of trial
transcripts, Congressional and Senate testimony.

To make a statement that there was no control would indeed be a misjudgment,
a serious misjudgment, a total lack of understanding on how the Soviets were
able to recruit Arafat while at PLU in 1964 along with hundreds of other
terrorist from around the world for the purpose of sending back home to
effectively disrupt their own countries. The entire background and history
of the Tricontential Conference was a solid basis of judge from an
intelligence point of view as to what the communist specific had in mind and
what they wanted to achieve in Vietnam. The Soviets and the Cubans promoted
the idea of global revolution using some of the most violent concepts ever
known to mankind.

The Soviets had developed a very specific doctrine. The Soviets were not
nice people - and where necessary provide advisory roles. The idea of
spreading revolutionary warfare was well defined from 1917 on. By 1964 they
were ready to advance their strategy and as Adm. Turner once defined it
before the Senate Intelligence Committee the problem could no longer be
ignored. However, some in Congress turned a blind eye while some played a
personal role to obstruct the government in containing the problem. I know
you have spent years documenting the Vietnam war. However, you have only put
forward a rather small contribution in this regard. Not to undermined the
fact that you made a significant effort.


"Ed Moise" wrote in message
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> "JASON A. KAATZ" wrote in message
news:...
> > Seems to be an extensive collection of material. Does it include all
the
> > volumes of the HCIS and SCIS for the years both committees of the House
and
> > Senate were in business during the war years which documents extensively
how
> > the Soviets, Cubans and North Vietnamese were able to control the day to
day
> > activities of the antiwar movement as well as testimony before the
Senate
> > and House Select Committees on Intelligence ?
>
> Can you cite me a specific volume, and if possible particular page
> numbers, for this? Documentation demonstrating that the Soviets,
> Cubans and North Vietnamese were able to control the day to day
> activities of the antiwar movement might be pretty entertaining, since
> no such control in fact existed.
>
> Ed Moise

Dear Jason:

I would be grateful if you would give me what I asked for: a specific
citation, so I can go and look at one particular place. If what I
find in that particular place is in fact interesting, that would
persuade me to look at more. But giving me vague descriptions of
twenty volumes is not a big help. I am not going to go plowing
through twenty volumes looking for something I don't really think is
going to be there. If I am given a particular place to start, and
what I find there is not bullshit, then I might be persuaded to keep
going.

For example, you wrote:

> The U.S. Peace Movement was controlled by a single Soviet General

The notion that any single individual, of any nationality, could have
controlled the U.S. peace movement during the Vietnam War strikes me
as simply hilarious. Can you tell me where there is a source that you
consider reliable that says this?

> You also have an extensive background of the Tricotinental Conference in
> Cuba in the early 1960's in which the leaders of the antiwar movements in
> several countries as well as known terrorists attended. Approval to hold it
> in Cuba was approved by the Supreme Soviet chambers. The Soviets, Chinese
> and Cubans Chaired it. Their were coordinating lines between all of these
> groups from country to country. As a result of that conference some 750,
> perhaps more law enforcement officers were murdered in the U.S.,
> specifically targeted.

What is your source for this specific statement?

This whole business started with your talking about congressional
committee hearings, and I would appreciate it it you would give me
citations to particular locations in particular published hearings,
since these are likely to be things I would actually be able to find
in the library here. It is a lot better about getting congressional
hearings than it is about getting memoirs of former KGB officers.

Ed Moise

>Subject: Re: Vietnam War Bibliography has moved
>From: eemoise@clemson.edu (Ed Moise)
>Date: 1/8/2004 11:51 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <145c66a2.0401080951.2ba2d44b@posting.google.com>
>
>Dear Jason:
>
>I would be grateful if you would give me what I asked for: a specific
>citation, so I can go and look at one particular place. If what I
>find in that particular place is in fact interesting, that would
>persuade me to look at more. But giving me vague descriptions of
>twenty volumes is not a big help. I am not going to go plowing
>through twenty volumes looking for something I don't really think is
>going to be there. If I am given a particular place to start, and
>what I find there is not bullshit, then I might be persuaded to keep
>going.
>
>Ed Moise
>


I thought that it had been established long ago that the movement had no (or
very little) communist control or funding. This despite all that J. Edgar
Hoover and his boys could do to prove otherwise.

I don't think the communist were ever quick to spend a dime where they didn't
have to and they certainly didn't have to fund the anti-war movement. It
marched on it's own.

Hell, the communist didn't even have to spy on us. A subscription to any major
newspaper would do. To some extent that is still true today I fear.

Bill Clarke

eemoise@clemson.edu (Ed Moise) wrote:
>Dear Jason:
>
>I would be grateful if you would give me what I asked for: a specific
>citation,

Get in line, Ed.

Doug

Who learned long ago that Jason doesn't do specific . . . well, specific anything.

You are mistaken. Hoover and his staff once testified before the House and
Senate back in the 1970 period the extent to which the Cuban consulate in
New York had been used as message center between the Cuban DGI known
terrorists in the Weather Underground movement and the SDS. In the end
result two Cuban DGI officers were thrown out of the U.S..

The U.S. Crime Commission Reports and the Chicago Crime Commission Report
documented the fact that key leaders of the antiwar movement were receiving
instructions from Cuba. As to citations there are hundreds and hundreds of
citations contained in the volumes with excellent indexes in the House and
Senate Reports. It amounts to ten of 15 volumes of reports with several
thousand citations. These reports document the name of every member in the
antiwar movement who ever traveled to Cuba, North Korea, Czech and/or
elsewhere; and other terrorist training centers in the communist world.

Any college library that is a U.S. Gov depository carries copies of the
reports of the HCIS and SCIS. Some volumes like the Chicago Crime Commission
Report can be obtained from the Superintendent of documents as well as the
LC Reading Room or any U.S. University certified as a government depository.
That means the documents are available to anyone who is a member of the
university or the public at large who wanted to examine such for research
purposes. Since your collection was part of a University at one time or
another one would certainly figure that any credible researcher of the
Vietnam period 1960-75 would have unrestricted access the bulk of the
reports. Some of the reports are on the Internet. However, there are
thousands of citations. In addition, the former SIF which represented the
CIA, FBI, NSA, DIA officials and published openly for intelligence scholars
and security and terrorism experts, documented a equally wealth of data in
the "Situation Reports". Some time in the mid 1980 the publication of the
SIF situation reports end when several former retired CIA and National
Security experts retired, some of the most reliable experts and historians
on the USSR, KGB and GRU; as well as the ones who were experts on the Cuban
DGI retired - these U.S. experts on the Soviet system were among the top
scholars in the world and upon the death of the Chief of CI of CIA retired
who retired and had remained consultant to the government and the HOR - they
ceased to publish the SRs.

The SIF COB was James J. Angleton, former DIA Dir. and former Dep CIA Dir -
LTG Graham, all deceased now, Amb. Durbrow, former Dep Chief of the U.S.
Mission in Moscow W.W.II and Dep AMB later years in VN and B/G Bob
Richardson headed the research effort as well as the expertise of dozens of
former Intel Community executives. Everyone in the HOR and Senate received
the SIF Srs. as did military and political leaders. It provided the most
insight and detail of the history of the KGB and its operations against the
West, covered the GRU as well. There were university libraries that stock
the reports as well, especially the specialized institutes that dealt with
strategic and conflict studies. It was widely read by scholars and experts
on the Soviet system world wide and also contained contributions by other
scholars as well.

Ed. I am not sure where your collection is located. However, if it is at a
major college or university the chances are the volumes Congressional
documents; and the SIF reports are around. There are some cites of the
Internet which might contain some of the HCIS and HCIS reports. It
documented the extent of Soviet KGB and GRU penetration as well as in some
instances the SIF reports documents the statements of Soviet defectors and
that of our NATO Allies as well on such issue. You can go right to the LC
Indexes and the NARC data base and search for the documents.

In later years the work of the HCIS and SCIS was taken upon by the House and
Senate Committees on Terrorism and the Judiciary Committee and
subcommittees. Jack Kennedy was not a fan of the Committee reports and when
he headed the Senate Judiciary Committee he order Martin and several others
fired after documentation of his attendance at a Dinner for CP and Marxist
professors in NY was documented to and including several terrorists in
attendance. It documented indiscretions of many members of the House and
Senate who aided the communist during the war - most of whom retired and/or
resigned. However, all of the events that took place from 1960-70 in terms
of the manner in which the Soviets and their allies made use of the U.S.
Peace and Anti-war movement, supported terrorism, directly and indirectly
aided the communist in Hanoi was well reported. Sabotage, espionage,
assassination, murder, bank robberies, narcotics trafficking, network
operations and strategy and direct contact with KGB, GRU, DGI are well
documented, all of which cost American lives in and outside of Vietnam.

Your statement that someone in the FBI testified that there was no evidence
is absolute crap on a stick. A number of High level Soviet agents and
diplomats alike were required to leave the U.S. never to return. In fact
some key figures and ranking antiwar activists spent months accompanying a
Soviet KGB operator who was an advisor to Ho Chin Minh around the U.S. who
had entered the U.S. under a Cuban diplomatic passport had been recruited by
Soviet Intel as far back as 1934 was also one of the contact people for the
leaders of the Weather Underground. In the raid of a terrorist safe house
in the Midwest the FBI was able to obtain documents, address books of Soviet
and Cuban, and European contacts. A lot of the detail is contained in the
Chicago Crime Commission Report, the number of citations are among the
hundreds in that document alone and it was reprinted at the request of the
U.S. in report form.

I can state with a degree expertise as a former expert in the field of
internal security and authority on the subject that had not Congress closed
down and cut off funds to the HCIS and SCIS operations after the VN
conflict period there never would have been a 9/11 event. Every major law
enforcement agency in the U.S. was on distribution for the reports and it
was a means of sharing what was known about the so called antiwar/U.S. Peace
Movement, Soviet, Eastern Bloc, Cuban DGI and GRU involvement in operations
against the U.S.. It also provided the American people with a first hand
well documented inside view on terrorism and its roots and those responsible
for it as well as the degree of foreign involvement. It also documented the
extent to which the communist used such groups and movements to penetrate
the Armed Force in an effort to disrupt operations in Vietnam using
activists in the antiwar movement to join and penetrate the Armed Forces for
the purpose of espionage, sabotage, and assassination of American officers
in the field. One of the dirt bags involved in the G.I movement was trained
by the Red Guards in China. Some of the dirt bags were photographed in Cuba
as were North Vietnamese agents who were training there who were to return
to Vietnam to interrogate American POWs. The named of ever American who
arrived in Cuba in the antiwar movement who received political warfare
and/or terrorist training is well documented in those volumes.

No library could call itself complete in terms of the Vietnam war without
the volumes of the HCIS and SCIS, and the unclassified reports of the
House/Senate Committee on Intelligence, SC/HC reports of the Judiciary and
its subcommittees, appropriations committee reports of the FBI, HC/SC
Government Operations Committee Reports; and all the combined SIF Situation
Reports which is the most concise documentation on Soviet penetration
techniques and propaganda operations against the West. The antiwar
protesters so well organized they gave aide and comfort to the enemy as well
as intelligence were directly and indirectly responsible for the high
casualty rates in Vietnam. There is no other way to describe the collection
of human garbage in the antiwar movement - the fact that Carter gave amnesty
to many was a national disgrace. Some have come forward over the years
admitting their misdeeds have in fact in some cases stated they were wrong
and sorry for the role they played can not and should not be excused for
their misdeeds. No one can be a serious researcher or scholar on the
Vietnam war without having access to the tens and thousands of pages and
that have been at the finger tips for years, during and after the war. The
so called researchers dam well know that all these documents have been in
the public light at institutions for learning across this nation. However,
the redvets would rather not have you read these volumes because it
documents just what kind of collection of human garbage they are.

The so called redvets and antiwar activists are directly responsible for the
torture and murder of American and Allied POWs during the Vietnam war. They
aided the communist in Vietnam every step of the war throughout the war from
the beginning to the end. They continue to aid the communist in Hanoi.
American soldiers who served and fought in Vietnam should have not regrets
because in future years history will shop without a doubt their service was
more than just meaningful. The communist party in Vietnam will not survive
and it will fall just as the Soviet Union fell. The Vietnamese can account
for every American soldier it held and those who remain MIA BNR. The people
of Vietnam are far from free and remain under the thumb of ruthless
dictatorship where there is no resemblance of freedom or human rights - it
is obvious that by the recent appearance of Castro in Vietnam the Vietnamese
have once again decided to continue their outspoken policy with Cuba to work
against the United States.

It is very obvious that Castro's visits to Iraq prior to U.S. intervention
may very well warn him and or have been an effort to provide arms, WMD,
Cuban troops and advisors and or intelligence. The links between Cuba which
have been so well established since the VN conflict with the antiwar
movement, the so called redvets and activists alike - it may essentially be
viewed as part of their overall intelligence program and an effort to help
their Iraqi and PLO friends. Congress might examine with great depth Cuba's
WMD program and production facilities. Cuban scientific defectors have
pointed to Castro involvement in the production of anthrax and other agents
and the American people are to be reminded that the Castro has been a
supporter of the Baath Party and has for years acted as a Soviet surrogate
as well. During the first gulf war is was no dark secret that former Soviet
GRU and KGB officers were dispatched to Iraq as well as there being a
presence of Spatnitz troops and advisors there as well. There can be no
doubt that Cuba played a role in Iraq in helping facilitate the Iraq
government and its needs around the globe.

After all many Iraqi officers trained in the very same Soviet schools as did
Cuban DGI officers; and alongside PLO intelligence officers as well. Cuba
maintains missions in Libya and Syria as well as it does in other capitals
of the world. There has always been a Cuban presence in Hanoi and Cuba was
more than likely continues to be a place where Vietnamese intelligence
officers continue to get their training. Fidel Castro is surely in a
position to provide the U.S. with information on the fate of American POWs,
especially those who tortured and murdered American POWs. 16 former
American POWs have attested to the fact that Cuban agents tortured American
POWs and its possible that Castro also went there to cover the reputation of
his men who had aided the communist in Hanoi during the war years.






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"FatmanE" wrote in message
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> >Subject: Re: Vietnam War Bibliography has moved
> >From: eemoise@clemson.edu (Ed Moise)
> >Date: 1/8/2004 11:51 AM Central Standard Time
> >Message-id: <145c66a2.0401080951.2ba2d44b@posting.google.com>
> >
> >Dear Jason:
> >
> >I would be grateful if you would give me what I asked for: a specific
> >citation, so I can go and look at one particular place. If what I
> >find in that particular place is in fact interesting, that would
> >persuade me to look at more. But giving me vague descriptions of
> >twenty volumes is not a big help. I am not going to go plowing
> >through twenty volumes looking for something I don't really think is
> >going to be there. If I am given a particular place to start, and
> >what I find there is not bullshit, then I might be persuaded to keep
> >going.
> >
> >Ed Moise
> >
>
>
> I thought that it had been established long ago that the movement had no
(or
> very little) communist control or funding. This despite all that J. Edgar
> Hoover and his boys could do to prove otherwise.
>
> I don't think the communist were ever quick to spend a dime where they
didn't have to and they certainly didn't have to fund the anti-war movement.
It marched on it's own.
>
> Hell, the communist didn't even have to spy on us. A subscription to any
major newspaper would do. To some extent that is still true today I fear.
Bill Clarke
>