"mission(s) Impossible"

[reconeil]

"MISSION(S) IMPOSSIBLE"
by N.R. Filidei
(on patriotfiles.com Forum - August 16, 2004)


Even from an apolitical Veteran's viewpoint and/or down-to-earth or Real World perspective, it must be acknowledged that more political leaders or rulers worldwide than not, are of well intent towards Afghanistan and Iraq (The Balkans also). Such will undoubtedly be glad when these strife torn areas are up and running on their own, and not needing policing by The World Community. That's a given.

After all, what could possibly be wrong with People experiencing for the very first time in their histories, The Rights of: "Life, Liberty, and The Pursuit of Happiness", as so many others have enjoyed over the years?

Still, and even with so much worldwide well intent extended (plus blood expended for such worthy ideals), as usual there's always that one BIG & PERPETUAL: "Fly in the ointment" preventing such. The great and hard to overcome barrier to any semblance of peace and stability coming to nations of The Middle East, is as old as time and/or at least goes back for a few thousand years of normally fanatically religious and overall (ie. all encompassing) dictatorial rules.

"They" might not all currently still live as if in The Stone Age. But, it's certainly unarguable that many in The Middle East daily live and obey omnipotentant dictatorial rule,...absolutely no different than was normal during Feudal Times and/or The Crusades, or before. Whatever, even a hint of democracy or relinquishing of power and control to The People and/or Their Obedient SUBJECTS is a most definite NO-NO,...which is most certainly understandable.

In many Middle Eastern Nations (as for thousands of years) Subjects must STILL pray and worship AS RULERS DEMAND and STILL still think robotically-obediently alike AS RULERS DEMAND. Also, such tyrannically oppressed (as for thousands of years) people are STILL generationally brainwashed or taught from childhood to HATE & KILL all infidels possible AS RULERS DEMAND and/or as ordered and when ordered to do so. "9/11" being a fairly recent example of what dictators like ordering done.

Thusly, and even though so many naive' (or whatever) French, German, Russian, UN, and even like-minded American Leaders and wannabe leaders deny or just refuse admitting that such Middle Eastern truisms even exist,...one must conclude that The West unfortunately (even with all their good intent) has bit-off more than they can chew.

Then too unfortunately, after conquering a fanatically murderous enemy in The Middle East, The West's quite lethally-silly way of restoring and establishing new order in occupied territories, leaves much to be desired. The historical normalcy of having Martial Law during an occupation for about 6-7-8 years (as in Germany and Japan after WWII), has instead been foolishly replaced by more politically-correct and/or a more: "Sensitive" approach,...which only encourages both Iraqi and outside muslim fanatical terrorists to keep fighting on, while making things more difficult for The Iraqi People and their Coalition Protectors.

Another good example of: "LooneyTunes"-like politically-correct occupations are the belligerent protestings permitted to this very day, in the still quite hostile environment called: "Iraq". What utter nonsense, misuse of The American Citizenry's Constitution, and further putting brave American and Coalition Forces in more harms way,...THAN SHOULD EVER NEED BE.

I believe that brave American and Coalition Forces SHOULD NOT ALSO have to contend with Protestors,...since aren't their jobs already quite dangerous and difficult enough? Plus, don't believe that America's Constitution was penned to protect every living and breathing creature on earth (murderous muslim enemies inclusive).
The ACLU Charter,...eh maybe?

Hey, call me a radical right-wing fanatic, prejudiced or whatever. But I honestly believe that: "America's Finest" (re. entire U.S. Military) DESERVE A BETTER CHANCE AT LONGEVITY OF LIFE, than what their political Civilian War Lords and/or their military micro-managers and THE ACTUAL COMMANDERS of The Military are now forcing on them. Ditto-ditto for all Coalition Forces, the new Iraqi Forces and Iraqi Police.

The End


Neil

[exlrrp]

[i]Hey, call me a radical right-wing fanatic, prejudiced or whatever.

Neil

OK!!! Youre a radical right wing fanatic, prejudiced or whatever!!!
Many of your assumptions are completely wrong, the causes you give are specious and your sweeping generalizations about ethnic groups put you up with Strom Thurmond for misunderstanding humanity.
But one thing youre dead right on is this:
"But I honestly believe that: "America's Finest" (re. entire U.S. Military) DESERVE A BETTER CHANCE AT LONGEVITY OF LIFE, than what their political Civilian War Lords and/or their military micro-managers and THE ACTUAL COMMANDERS of The Military are now forcing on them. Ditto-ditto for all Coalition Forces, the new Iraqi Forces and Iraqi Police. "
Don't Forget: No End in Sight!!!!!
This is the unvarnished truth--and doesn't it remind you of Vietnam
Unfortunately it lookss like we're going to be stuck there for a long long time--theyve already financed through 2005. Splane to me again how this is going to be good for America, Lucy, it sure looks like we're getting focked!! Again!! Do you know we're paying $2.00+/gal at the pump while we're also paying for the Iraqis to get gas for about 25 cts? We're losing more than a man (or woman) a day. I guess this is what Bush calls winning. Like record deficits is winning. Like DUI is what he calls driving (Cheney too, or should I say: two)

If you believe what you say about they deserve a better break than join with me and pitch "their political Civilian War Lords" out of there. Lets start with the ones who scrapped the Geneva Convention, the ones who sent their troops into war based on info from Ahmed Chalabi

James Worth

[Arrow]

So what say you Scout and Col Murph and Sid and Willie and Gateswoodand any others that have or have hadsons on active duty and boots on the ground? Do they believe their mission is impossible? I really would like tohearwhatour young warriorsthatare represented here on this site by their Fathers have to say.

Arrow>>>>>

[reconeil]

Believe you both misunderstood. Exlrrp from his bent political demands, requirements or marching orders,...and Sparrow not realizing the time spans covered in the piece and what I was trying to get across.

I'm speaking: "Age old and/or at least going back a few thousands of years" for religious fanatics, and back to WWII and last time that American Combat Troops WERE NOT micro-managed in every detail and subjected to asinine warfare restrictions and: "...in more harms way,...THAN SHOULD EVER NEED BE".

Regardless Sparrow, I would certainly like hearing from all those you alluded to having offspring currently in harms way,...and why my concern for all American Combat Forces over that of asinine and/or politically-correct warfare restrictions making many U.S. Uniformed prime walking or riding targets of opportunity for terrorists, plus the nonsense of permitting Protests in hostile: "Indian Territory" for assassins to hide amongst,...IS SOMEHOW WRONG??? Should I quite differently sugar-coat or politicize the sad realities, like everyone else and exlrrp?

I personally believe: "America's Finest" "DESERVE A BETTER CHANCE AT LONGEVITY OF LIFE",...yesterday, today, tomorrow, and a thousand years from now. Don't you.

Neil

[Arrow]

"I personally believe: "America's Finest" "DESERVE A BETTER CHANCE AT LONGEVITY OF LIFE",...yesterday, today, tomorrow, and a thousand years from now. Don't you." ~ Neil ~

Look, Neil, I lost one of Americas's finest when he was twenty five years old to AO related cancer. My brother now at the age of 59 and one of the best corpsman that ever crossed the decks of the USS Repose is now stuck in a VA in Milwaukee. He isin the final stages of AO related prostate cancer that went into the bone because the VA failed to notify him of a high PSA count.Now on dialysis after going into toxic shockbecause of renal failure. Fightinghis way back after being taken off life support a few weeks ago just towalk on a walker so he can gohome. So what do you think my answer is?

But I'm going to say what many have said on this forum. It was war.They were both volunteersforandagreed to defend theirnation in peace time and war. My brother staying for two and half years on that ship. They had to throw him off because he didn't want to leave his brothers. Enough was enough they told him.

Mistakes are made in war by good men. They are only human.I have had a lot of years of thinking about it. Andfour years of being on a website with men that survived. Men that now have children and grandchildren.I have come to this conclusion;the very thing that devasted my family saved the life ofa whole lotof others thatgot to come home to theirs.We don't know how many men were saved because the military chose to useherbicides in Vietnam. Ilike tobelieve a whole lot more than died or are dying from it. I can sit here andbitch. moan and groan about thestupidity of those that chose to useherbicides (andthere are times I have done just that) orI can look around and rejoice when Isee the joy ofthose that made ithomewhen they post up something about their children or grandchildren.

Wecan Monday morning quarterback every move the CIC makes along with the commanders in the field or wecan support them and the troops they command until they get home.Lest we weaken their resolve and emboldenour enemy. I heard something intersting in regard to the Muslim brotherhood. Someone asked whymore Muslims don't chastise their brothers in regard to the violent corruption of their religion. The answer was because when it comes to their religion they all stand in a line together. I think the people in this country would do well to take a lesson from that example.

Arrow>>>>>>>

[Seascamp]

Neil,
Things that history and the future have in common are a plethora of what ifs, near misses and head on collisions. Iraq has always been and will always be ground zero for these head on collisions and the very best we can hope for is to contain the effects of the historic collisions that come around as regular as clockwork. Right now, to do otherwise invites a fireball that will roll from the Asian sub continent to the Mediterranean and consume everything in it?s path. India, Pakistan and Iran all have nukes all are implacable enemies, Iran is the enemy of the Iraqi Sunni Moslems and all Sunni Moslems for that matter as the historic and bloody confrontation between the Sunni and Shiite Moslems goes way back and continues unabated to this day. The other forces at play are the Arab Nationalists Baathists and now the historic hydra called radical Islamic fundamentalism is back and in on the Iraqi flail and on a global scale. The de stabilization of Iraq has always been an ?A? item for the Iranian Shiite fundamentalists and the Sunni fundamentalists and this is the core reason why Saddam had such a horrendous army and security apparatus. And of course, there are those reasons and his own megalomania and vision of a Pan-Arabia with himself as the undisputed ruler.
At present Iraq is headed toward a secular representative government and this acts to take them of the table in terms of being among the historic regional belligerents. How long this will last is anybody?s guess but no doubt the pressure is on in both the US and Iraq to restore Iraq to a regional belligerent status and then soon enough Iraq will go directly to a four-way civil war, or back to the future, and a repeat of the repeated repeat is on the table. I say that is a huge risk with really big chips and the bet that the mid-east won?t erupt into an all-consuming fireball. In my opinion, the US intervention in Iraq only acts to delay the inevitable and adds to an outside chance that the inevitable can be avoided, maybe.
My Nephew, Now Sgt. Patrick is a 4th I.D. Bradley gunner and I worry about him because he is one of the family scrappy ones. (We are reported to be relatives of Cole and Bob Younger and if so, a few of us caught the bad boy gene I suppose) but on the other hand, I see a larger picture of past, present and future and recognize the alternatives. I also believe that in the long run it is the Moslems themselves that will have to resolve their fratricidal conflicts or be content to be hammering themselves into oblivion every now and then. Or worse yet, having a non-Islamic force hammering at them. So how does the world at large or the US change 1400 years of history and turn things to a more peaceful path? Easy answer; we cant, no way. In my opinion, only the Moslems can do that and the vast majority have the desire to do just that but not the cohesiveness or power to act.
Of the world?s 1.2 billion Moslems it is estimated that about 40 million are sympathetic to the cause of the fundamentalist?s global jihad. Of that number I reckon that about 5-10 million will act on the global conflagration vision and cause. The vast majority of the worlds Moslems live within a more or less secular representative form of government and slowly but surely they are learning that they are targets and the chosen enemies of those who aspire to a Islamic fundamentalist global theocracy. I personally do not see Al Qaeda or any of their ilks as Moslems but as blood cults in false Koranic camouflage and transparent pious veneer.

As I see things, the situation in Iraq is a smaller Image of the global situation and all the players/belligerents are there. It?s the same deal in Mylasia, Indonesia, Philippines and virtually every North African and Mid-east Country. Paradoxically, the Country that has the most to do with the nurturing and growth of this particular strain of virulent Islamic fundamentalism will probably be exiting soon. My prediction is that Saudi Arabia is toast and will be consigned to the dustbin where all the rest of the retched Monarchies have gone. The only question is who or what will replace the family Saud, not if.

An excellent book that can be helpful to the objective reader is, ?The Two faces of Islam? by Reporter/Author Stephen Swartz (sp?). He is Jewish and a Bay Area Liberal, seems to have a real good objective handle on Islamic history plus, at least in his book, has avoided the Liberal?s hate mongering agenda and approaches the subject, including the US in Iraq, in an objective manner, almost always. But close enough to share some important and fact based insights and opinions about contemporary and historic Islam.

Scamp

[reconeil]

Sorry about your losses and your brothers condition.

But, unless politicians here stop micro-managing The Military and forcing The Military to always conduct politically-correct warfare with dangerous restrictions, while displaying sensitivity towards every foreign or foreigners' concerns on earth,..."America's Finest"
will always be in more harms way,...THAN SHOULD EVER NEED BE.

It has been that way from 1950 Korea and every conflict thereafter to date. That's over a-half-century of more American casualties,...THAN SHOULD EVER NEED BE. Think we would've had so many casualties in Korea or Vietnam, if as in WWII bombed both NORTHS into The Stone Age, as was pretty-much done to large areas of countries, like Germany and Japan??

Until America gets back to fighting warfare as heartlessly-punishing, viciously mean, and with more resolve than our enemies, AS WAS LAST TIME DONE in WWII,...America will always have more casualties THAN SHOULD EVER NEED BE.

Hell, in WWII, an entire monastary at Monte Casino was bombed into rubble, merely because it was the highest observation post in the area we thought(?) that The Germans might be using. Ironically, The Germans weren't even using The Monastary in the first place, and the rubble we produced made an even better fortification for them to ferociously defend.

Whereas nowadays, it seems we must get permission from Allah "Himself" before even just returning fire on a mosque, and thusly incurring more casualties THAN SHOULD EVER NEED BE.
During WWII, same mosque would've automatically been turned into rubble or possibly into a big parking lot,...thusly keeping American Casualties TO A MINIMUM. Was same way for ENTIRE CITIES (and there were many levelled) during WWII,...just so as to keep American Casualties TO A MINIMUM.

Neil

P.S. No: "Monday Morning Quarterbacking" here, Sparrow.
Everything stated is historically accurate, logical, sensible and common sense. Hell,...I don't even give an opinion here.

[Arrow]

Neil,

It's not that I disagree with what you saidas much as I disagree with the implication in the title of the thread and the fact that we are on the world wide web. I often worry that we are violating the trust of those that our walking point by not taking up the slack here at home and standing our ground with constant encourgement publicly.Our opinionsexpressedregard the conduct of this waron this website are not going to change theway this war is being managed. However we have heard from more than one source that negative feed back from home on "how goes the war" has taken the wind outof the sails of more than one war fighter. Those are just my thoughts.

Thank you for your love of thisRepublic andherwarriors.

Arrow>>>>>>>

[reconeil]

Thanks for The Thanks, even though unnecessary here on patriotfiles.com, where everyone undoubtedly supports The Troops, prays for them, and wishes them all well and safe returns.
Any that don't,...screw'em and let'em crawl or scurry-back-into the rat-bastard holes coming from.

Still, I must stick to my: "MISSION(S) IMPOSSIBLE" contention as quite valid, since from 1950 to date Civilian Warlords of whatever bents (U.S. Senators & Congressmen inclusive) are and have actually been THE REAL villains and demoralizers of The U.S. Military,...given the absurd combat restrictions always ordered that: "America's Finest" MUSTcomply to. Not my opinion. A historical fact.

All political military rulers alluded to (for over a-half-century) have been more so concerned about: "World Opinion", "Enemy Collateral Damage" (re. foreign civilian casualties), Public Opinion, giving even enemies America's Constitutional Rights and Protection, and even showing concern about how our fanatically-vicious and quite united enemies perceive us,...MUCH MORE than doing everything possible for keeping American Casualties AT A MINIMUM and/or what REAL Generals were long ago charged with doing. Last time such wise and casualty minimizing however or wherever possible was the Order of The Day,...was during WWII and/or when politicos didn't micro-manage every facet and detail (plus even conduct) of warfare.

Even if many aren't aware of all the aforementioned facts and realities and consider such new revelations,...such is old news to me and many. In fact, going back to The 60's I started grippin and bitchin to a new wife about the nonsense of it all,...since undoubtedly producing more American Casualties,..."THAN SHOULD EVER NEED BE".

"No Combat Units that I ever heard of (and especially my Old Companies) train 24/7, just so they can be politically ordered out-on-a-limb with one hand tied behind their backs,...just so it can be shown to The World how nice, fair and politically-correct America can be, even during combat".

"If in the same predicament when I Served, doubt very much if would've received my Good Conduct Medal"? "When IN, and if similarly in hostile territory ANYWHERE, if a howling, screaming and brandishing a weapon threatener of me and mine (re. Buddies and/or Family at the time) was even simultaneously pushing a baby carriage with the other hand,...I'd have taken-HER-out with one clean shot". "That's what any: 'Expert' should do".

Also, Reconnaisance by Fire was taught as being the best method of determining whether or not and enemy was planning and ambush, from a likely position for such. Fire returned,...destroy the position. No fire returned, advance (STILL...ver-r-r-ry carefully).

Regardless, nowadays, and even if fortunately the baby carriage as described wasn't totally loaded up with about 50 lbs. of C-3, 4 or 5 or enough for wiping out everyone within a 100 Meters, as any wise and suicidal terrorist might easily do during quite stupidly allowed PROTESTS while fighting continues...even the finest of concerned for his men Troopers would have to be turned-in by superiors, for at minimum: "Conduct unbecoming...". Sad, but true for The Boys (Gals also) saddled with such asinine and/or one-sided warfare restrictions.

In fairness, quite asininely one-sided and/or enemy-favorable warfare restrictions have been going on for over 50 years. So, The REAL Generals must have gotten used to such by now?
Such probably explains why America hasn't resolved any worldwide conflicts in over 50 Years? Many places in The World left by politicos to fester or get worse and more dangerous than ever, like North Korea.

But,...NARY ONE RESOLUTION IN OVER 50 YEARS of any conflict favorable to America,...even unarguably having the finest, bravest and most powerful military on earth. Isn't there something wrong with that quite dangerous for the future reality?

Neil