Skip was an AirForce Search and Rescue NCO in Vietnam

What a phony, First You want guys to give You stories because"I was AF
so my knowledge of S&D is limited to what I have read about
them."
What did You do, get guys to give You stories and now You can tell
them?
Read the whole thread and You find You was going to write a game about
the nam, ha!
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=iz...G=Google+Searc
h

I was AF so my knowledge of S&D is limited to what I have read about
them.



From: Izmn (izmn@att.net)
Subject: Re: Histroy lessons
Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
Date: 1998/01/17


You obviously had a unique experience. I am also not foolish enough to
tell anyone what they did or didn't do.
I would of course be very interested in any information you can supply
that would help. It sounds like you have the type of information that I
am looking for. I will of course copy this NG article to you via email.
I was AF so my knowledge of S&D is limited to what I have read about
them. I have no wish for an adversarial banter back and forth on the
NG. Please check your email. I am posting this so that perhaps another
who had similar experiences will know that I am looking for information
and not asking questions designed to start a "flame war"
Skip

http://www.wargamer.com/turret/warstories/christmas.htm

Then here You are spinning a good yarn huh? I thought You guys in AWV
couldnt stand wannabes, bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! yall have been took guys.

Skip was an AirForce Search and Rescue NCO in Vietnam and spent a lot
of his time
behind enemy lines......................


Christmas

By Skip Stealey

The best Christmas present I ever received was a ham sandwich. I know
that
sounds a little strange, but at the time I got it, it demonstrated
great caring. We
were on our way back in from a rescue operation that had not gone
exactly the
way we had planned it. A F-4 had taken a little too much damage to be
able to
make it back to base, and we had been sent after it. The pilot and
navigator
had both ejected and apparently made it to the ground safely--safely
being a
relative term when you are in hostile territory! Our Jolly Green had
made it to
the pickup area and we were talking on the emergency radio with the
pilot
when all hell broke loose. The LZ we were heading into suddenly turned
very
hot and David, my team leader, and I made the decision to go ahead and
try
and find the pilot and the navigator because we knew they had been
alive a few
minutes earlier. We had talked to them, separately of course, and had
convinced them to go to ground. We figured we could sniff them out,
literally,
before the Cong could. We needed to find the downed airmen, set a
perimeter,
and facilitate their extraction. Six of us egressed the bird and
headed into the
bush. Six of us being four human soldiers and two canine ones.

If you have never been in the military, specifically in the Vietnam
era, you need
to watch the movie BAT 21 starring Gene Hackman The team we were on
was
a direct result of that particular fiasco. The movie is based on
truth, and the
crux of it is that flying officers, while very good in the air, have
no concept of
ground warfare in the jungle. They also have no more of a concept of
the
viciousness of the VC than Jane Fonda.

We had been in-country long enough to know that the downed airmen had
been used as bait for a rescue attempt but were still young and
foolish enough
to think we could beat the odds.

To make a long story short, we manage to save the F-4 navigator but
lost the
pilot to the VC. Of course, after sending the navigator on his way in
a Jolly
Green two days after our initial insertion, we then began the long
march out of
the area on foot. The operation had begun four days before Christmas
and it
was now December 23. Those of you who were not involved with Vietnam
don't know that the Christmas truce was a joke among grunts. It was
great PR
for Charlie because it did give everyone in the World the idea that
the war was
on hold. It was also BS.

Our team was still 20 klicks from the closest possible extraction
point, and we
were in deep bush. We had "resupplied" ourselves from the only
available
source and, fortunately, had done so without suffering casualties; we
were
extraordinarily lucky. Considering how hot the situation was, we
decided to
simply hide for a day or so before attempting to reach our designated
extraction point. On Christmas day, we came out of our hole and sent a
sitrep
to "higher" authority. By that time however we were in desperate need
of
simple antibiotics and food. We believed a quick trip by a fast
chopper could
get us the material we needed and HQ, for once, agreed with us. We
made our
signals when we heard the bird close by and directed the pilot where
to make
his drop. Keep in mind, we were in hostile territory and the simple
act of
making the drop was an act of extreme courage.

We got our drop and in the small bag with our medical supplies was a
small,
canned, picnic ham and a box of Large Milk-Bone dog biscuits--where
they
got dog biscuits I 'll never know--along with a loaf of French bread.

The attached note said, "Merry Christmas, from grateful birdmen." We
made
sandwiches and had an American Christmas dinner instead of the local
crap we
had been eating up until then. I still think about that ham sandwich
every
Christmas as I look at the huge meal that the family sets on the table
and
remember the kindness of those chopper pilots. That to me will always
be the
real Christmas spirit: Men who risk their lives to remind four,
unfortunate grunts
and two dogs that someone cared.

-----

Skip was an AirForce Search and Rescue NCO in Vietnam and spent a lot
of his time
behind enemy lines.

Skip is guy who knows Computers. You can't
ask for a better man add that games can make
him big money.
Sorry edo I disagree with you on Skip.
SOS guys all had a pair.

"edo" wrote in message news:49abcecd2d996f8debfa89bff3ae0352@cryptorebels .net...
> What a phony, First You want guys to give You stories because"I was AF
> so my knowledge of S&D is limited to what I have read about
> them."
> What did You do, get guys to give You stories and now You can tell
> them?
> Read the whole thread and You find You was going to write a game about
> the nam, ha!
> http://groups.google.com/groups?q=iz...G=Google+Searc
> h
>
> I was AF so my knowledge of S&D is limited to what I have read about
> them.
>
>
>
> From: Izmn (izmn@att.net)
> Subject: Re: Histroy lessons
> Newsgroups: alt.war.vietnam
> Date: 1998/01/17
>
>
> You obviously had a unique experience. I am also not foolish enough to
> tell anyone what they did or didn't do.
> I would of course be very interested in any information you can supply
> that would help. It sounds like you have the type of information that I
> am looking for. I will of course copy this NG article to you via email.
> I was AF so my knowledge of S&D is limited to what I have read about
> them. I have no wish for an adversarial banter back and forth on the
> NG. Please check your email. I am posting this so that perhaps another
> who had similar experiences will know that I am looking for information
> and not asking questions designed to start a "flame war"
> Skip
>
> http://www.wargamer.com/turret/warstories/christmas.htm
>
> Then here You are spinning a good yarn huh? I thought You guys in AWV
> couldnt stand wannabes, bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! yall have been took guys.
>
> Skip was an AirForce Search and Rescue NCO in Vietnam and spent a lot
> of his time
> behind enemy lines......................
>
>
> Christmas
>
> By Skip Stealey
>
> The best Christmas present I ever received was a ham sandwich. I know
> that
> sounds a little strange, but at the time I got it, it demonstrated
> great caring. We
> were on our way back in from a rescue operation that had not gone
> exactly the
> way we had planned it. A F-4 had taken a little too much damage to be
> able to
> make it back to base, and we had been sent after it. The pilot and
> navigator
> had both ejected and apparently made it to the ground safely--safely
> being a
> relative term when you are in hostile territory! Our Jolly Green had
> made it to
> the pickup area and we were talking on the emergency radio with the
> pilot
> when all hell broke loose. The LZ we were heading into suddenly turned
> very
> hot and David, my team leader, and I made the decision to go ahead and
> try
> and find the pilot and the navigator because we knew they had been
> alive a few
> minutes earlier. We had talked to them, separately of course, and had
> convinced them to go to ground. We figured we could sniff them out,
> literally,
> before the Cong could. We needed to find the downed airmen, set a
> perimeter,
> and facilitate their extraction. Six of us egressed the bird and
> headed into the
> bush. Six of us being four human soldiers and two canine ones.
>
> If you have never been in the military, specifically in the Vietnam
> era, you need
> to watch the movie BAT 21 starring Gene Hackman The team we were on
> was
> a direct result of that particular fiasco. The movie is based on
> truth, and the
> crux of it is that flying officers, while very good in the air, have
> no concept of
> ground warfare in the jungle. They also have no more of a concept of
> the
> viciousness of the VC than Jane Fonda.
>
> We had been in-country long enough to know that the downed airmen had
> been used as bait for a rescue attempt but were still young and
> foolish enough
> to think we could beat the odds.
>
> To make a long story short, we manage to save the F-4 navigator but
> lost the
> pilot to the VC. Of course, after sending the navigator on his way in
> a Jolly
> Green two days after our initial insertion, we then began the long
> march out of
> the area on foot. The operation had begun four days before Christmas
> and it
> was now December 23. Those of you who were not involved with Vietnam
> don't know that the Christmas truce was a joke among grunts. It was
> great PR
> for Charlie because it did give everyone in the World the idea that
> the war was
> on hold. It was also BS.
>
> Our team was still 20 klicks from the closest possible extraction
> point, and we
> were in deep bush. We had "resupplied" ourselves from the only
> available
> source and, fortunately, had done so without suffering casualties; we
> were
> extraordinarily lucky. Considering how hot the situation was, we
> decided to
> simply hide for a day or so before attempting to reach our designated
> extraction point. On Christmas day, we came out of our hole and sent a
> sitrep
> to "higher" authority. By that time however we were in desperate need
> of
> simple antibiotics and food. We believed a quick trip by a fast
> chopper could
> get us the material we needed and HQ, for once, agreed with us. We
> made our
> signals when we heard the bird close by and directed the pilot where
> to make
> his drop. Keep in mind, we were in hostile territory and the simple
> act of
> making the drop was an act of extreme courage.
>
> We got our drop and in the small bag with our medical supplies was a
> small,
> canned, picnic ham and a box of Large Milk-Bone dog biscuits--where
> they
> got dog biscuits I 'll never know--along with a loaf of French bread.
>
> The attached note said, "Merry Christmas, from grateful birdmen." We
> made
> sandwiches and had an American Christmas dinner instead of the local
> crap we
> had been eating up until then. I still think about that ham sandwich
> every
> Christmas as I look at the huge meal that the family sets on the table
> and
> remember the kindness of those chopper pilots. That to me will always
> be the
> real Christmas spirit: Men who risk their lives to remind four,
> unfortunate grunts
> and two dogs that someone cared.
>
> -----
>
> Skip was an AirForce Search and Rescue NCO in Vietnam and spent a lot
> of his time
> behind enemy lines.