Infiltration

[HARDCORE]

There is nothing new in the tenet of infiltration! For as long as mankind has existed, infiltration of an enemy, a neighbor and sometimes even a friend, has been excused away as "Just Good Business!" I once even had a decorated (former) friend of mine, attempt to use the same ?Just Good Business? analogy on me, in an attempt to screw me over!? In my opinion, however, this brand of (so-called) "Good Business" will garner for one naught but an eternity in Hades!! (opinion)

To infiltrate another?s position or tactics, one usually chooses a person that is trusted, or virtually invisible because of his position, respect held, or even the fact that this individual just didn?t look the type!

One does not have to journey back, too far into history, however, to examine the records of those who sold us out from within. As a matter of fact, some people believe that we have such creatures slithering among us, even as we speak! When, however, men of the cloth, are enlisted as spies, saboteurs, or collaborators, then this scenario takes on a whole new complexion, and in today?s reality, such has (unfortunately) become the saddening case, or so the media has reported?!

A scant few ?Moslem Clerics?, clad in the uniform of U.S. Military Officers (it was reported), were recruited into the Chaplain Corps, but a few may have acted as spies for foreign enemies instead?! If true, this in my opinion, is about as low as an individual can go, without crawling about on their bellies! ?The betrayal of the ultimate trust, so to speak!!?

?And for even me to be shocked over a betrayal of this nature by a few in high places, in whom we have placed our trust, is really saying something!?

Well, we didn?t hang (or even slap the wrist of) those few who betrayed our unwitting service personnel during un-Godly experimentations of the past! As a matter of fact, some of the ?Mili-Medicos? who took part in these domestic atrocities, were protected, promoted and covered up for infinitum!

Nor can we hang those who lied and cheated to protect the worthless asses of those who voluntarily and eagerly emulated the actions of Dr. Josef Mengele, the Doctor of Death! But we sure as hell can hang any bastard who wears our uniform, even those bedecked with officer and church insignia, who takes it upon him (or her) self to infiltrate our military for the purpose of aiding and abetting the enemy, and in a time of war no less! (If found guilty, of course!!)

Now I could give a damn less if the offending party is a Moslem, a priest, a minister, a Rabbi, or even a shaman (fakir) mendicant! ?If the bum is guilty of betraying this nation, man of the cloth or not, he should pay a price!?

But then this view, in itself, is also hypocritical to a point! Considering that a few of those in politics have also betrayed out best interests as a nation, and have lied, have schemed, and have even pandered to climb the ladder of success! And instead of being chastised or punished (within the law), these folks have often (like a greased snake), slithered away to live happily ever after on a big, fat pension, royalties, and unearned respect!

Am I talking about anyone in particular here, past, present or future - HELL NO? Nor am I touting hanging public officials for offenses, not by a long shot! Hell, if we did that, we might not have much of a bureaucracy left? What I am saying, however, is that any bastard who uses the sacred cloth to infiltrate our military or even government, and then betrays the same (along with our country), should be treated no differently than the common Joe would be in similar circumstances!

Hey, maybe we can turn these (scant few) ?Holy Traitors and Sanctified Altar Boy Addicts? ? over to those vicious bastards who experimented upon our own during the Cold War and beyond! ?If elements of our government truly want to experiment upon someone, let them experiment upon these traitors in drag!?

Better yet, those scant few ?Pseudo- Patriotic Medicos?, who actually conducted or approved these ghastly experimentations of the past on our unsuspecting men in uniform, should have experimented upon themselves instead! Or better yet, experimented upon those who gave them the orders to betray our own in such a vile and criminal fashion! (opinion) ?Keep Hiding Boys!!?

VERITAS

[the humper]

works both ways, for preachers and prostitutes!!!!
SF
NC

[BLUEHAWK]

...and, we can look forward to more of the same or similar.

[HARDCORE]

I still find it hard to understand how a few can still adhere to the Benedict Arnold mindset? There are times, many in fact, when I am angry at the actions of politicians. But never, let me repeat -"NEVER", could a true American do anything that would place our nation or our military in harm's way!

"Administrations on both sides of the aisle may come and go, but the United States must remain forever!"

VERITAS

[Seascamp]

This is of great concern but the military does have a lot of built in protection and will be able to flush the weasels out. Of greater concern to me is the infiltration of US Mosques. No doubt in my mind at all that the radical fundamentalists have made inroads and are at or near positions of influence in many mosques. Of the three million or so American Moslems I?m certain that at least five percent (global ratio) are at least sympathetic to the Islamic terrorist cause and probably a much smaller number provide active support. Given our laws, sense of religious freedom and fair play, how in the world do we tell the loyal and good patriots from the dark harts? I fear the answer is that we can?t and must rely on that community be self-cleansing. That all seems to be a mystery black box at present and I?m hoping for some evidence that they are at the task. They say they are and maybe they are. I would just rest easier if I knew they were. I encounter Moslems frequently and they have that look that says they are afraid that I?m afraid of them. And maybe I am and I don?t believe that?s fair to all parties as it gets in the way of productive relationships. I just hope this prevailing mutual fear doesn?t become a self-fulfilling prophecy. That would be very bad and play right into the hands of the dark hearts.

Scamp

[HARDCORE]

SCAMP -

Well put!!

VERITAS

[reconeil]

Regarding that: "...three million or so" and; "...at least five percent (global ratio)",...and even though I think the ratio would be much higher here in the prime target and easiest country to get into, that still comes out to 15,000 possible fanatical terrorists and/or the amount of personnel in a modern day Infantry Division already here in America.

Makes one wonder when officials and press/media talk about such moles being here in the hundreds only? Regardless,...hope "They" are right, since thousands make for QUITE SOME SUPPORT NETWORK.

Neil :cd:

[Seascamp]

Sure Neil,
Sometimes running the numbers based on published digits and stats can be real scary and make a person want to turn off the calculator. But ya can?t turn off reality and for lack of viable numbers and information I believe speculation is a legitimate alternative. I would like to believe the ?few hundred? scenario but that number has the possibility of being highly accurate or a gross misrepresentation of reality. It suggests that the US has a different ratio than the global ratio. I don?t know if that is true or not so when in doubt, I?ll run with the pessimistic number. It could very well be that American Moslems aren?t buying into the fundamentalist radical movement and if I were to bank on one thing that would be it.

Scamp

[HARDCORE]

15,000 maniacs, or even one fanatic as history has proven, can be the catalyst for disaster!

Granted, 15,000 (divisional size), can wreak one helluva lot of havoc. Just look what the 82nd and 101st Airborne has been able to accomplish in the last six decades!!

"But then, lets look at the odious, or even the beneficent power of one!?"

First there was Cain, then Sampson, then Moses, then a Guy by the name of Jesus! And let us never forget John W. Booth, the anarchist (Gavrilo Princip) that plugged Archduke Francis Ferdinand, thereby helped to start WWI, the malcontents that murdered the Kennedys and King, and of course, Hussein and bin Laden, two more world-class nut-cases!

Some good, some bad and some in-between - "The Power Of One" dedicated or totally insane individual, can be a force to be reckoned with!

Hell, even the modern Army has swung away from "Patton's Disdain For Individuality", and now touts "An ARMY ONE" as a logo! For the record, and in my opinion, no one individual has ever comprised an entire army, unless of course, your name is Goliath, Hercules or Kofi Annon! (LOL)

Like I said before, good, bad or indifferent, one determined individual can even change history! We can only hope that these solo acts conduct themselves in a constructive fashion. One that benefits out people, each and every one, in one positive way or another!

"And again, and considering their mindset, even one terrorist, is one too many!!"

VERITAS

[BLUEHAWK]

Guys -
Fact is, they don't even have to actually carry out their threats stateside anymore... they merely have to let themselves be overheard discussing it in certain places and certain times with a certain frequency, and the american security alert level goes to Red.