I Love The Israelie Army

[Packo]

Right now, Israelie Army men are asking for a full investigation as to why they didn't win, and questioning what happened.

God, do I wish AMERICANS could get back to this mentality. We have always been winners and where discussted by the idea of losing.

Now, you don't have to play good or work your way into the starting lineup.....just show up, you get to play. Competition is bad.

The far left, which too many in this country believe in, are UPSET if we begin to win. They cringe at VICTORY. "We had to hurt someone to win???? Oh, how awful".

The greatness of AMERICA, or the UNITED STATES, (to save frivilous argument), has always been our will to stop anyone from taking over this country. NOW, I truly believe, there is a huge eliment in this country that WOULD rather face MECCA than fight. The sadness of this is that these would be the first people they would execute, and they are too dumb to know it. University professors and other "intellectuals" are always wiped out first. What's interesting is that these are the idiots that help the country's defeat from the begining.

God save us from the castration of AMERICA! Luckily I'll be dead before it really happens.

Pack

PS Other than this thought....all is well.

[39mto39g]

WW2 was the last time we won at the war game. After WW2 people forgot how to win at war. Fire Bomb Tokyo, Killed 120,000 non combatants, Nagaaski, Herroshema, Atomic bombs, Killed 160,000 non combatants, Berlin day and night bombing killed 500,000 non combatants. The key to winning at war is killing as many non combatants as are available until they stop. Theres only one rule , You can't be in eye sight of them when you kill them, somehow thats murder, but if you can't see them, then thats ok. ie: Bomber, artilary, etc. Sooooo get them B-52s fired up and loaded, there has to be a city of non combatants that we don't like somewhere? Its the American way.

Ron

[Packo]

Ron,

I never know where your coming from, but let me say, if you believe that the policy of this country is to just indiscriminatly kill civilians, I feel sorry for you. There is a stratigic plan and a tactical plan. If you don't know the difference then shame on you. You didn't learn a damn thing in life nor in the military. Killing non-combatants is not the American way no matter what you say.

Pack

[39mto39g]

Killing non combatants is the way you win a war, The japs never surendered in any battle we had against them, They surendered when we killed hundreds of thousands of the civilian population, On purpous. I know all about Tactics and stratigy.
We didn't have to bomb jap cities or German cities, The Army's were out there waiting for us, Part of the Statagy was to demoralize the population, The tactic is bombing the cities flat and killing a large number of Civilians. Thats how you win a war.
You were in a different military than WW2 guys, The invention of incindeary bombs wasn't done for troops, its for city's.
Nice wars only happen on TV. The victorys write the history.

Ron

[Packo]

I know all about wars. What you said was killing non-combatants was "the American Way". We go way out of our way to generally not kill non-combatants. That's what I take exception too, your statement that killing non-combatants IS the American Way. You didn't say that it's the way to win wars. I agree that enemy civilians have to die and sometimes allied civilians. I also know that if we'd have fought VN and Korea, just to name two, the way we fought WWII there would have been no question as to victory. I said that America has to get back it's guts to fight war the way war has to be fought. Somehow I think we're on the same page of the hymnal, but damn....you don't make it seem that way.

Pack

[Robert Ryan]

Tired of the killing, no matter who it is, what war it is or was. No one has learned the stupidity of war and no one has learned the pain it causes. Just as long as man is alive he will continue to kill each other in name of either poltics, or religion, and some one will forced to do it.

[39mto39g]

Pac
I said" The key to winning at war is killing as many non combatants "
And Your right killing non combatants is not the American way anymore, But it used to be and thats how you win at war. Thats kinda why we havent won sence WW2.
I have said many times that in any 2 week period in VN we could have won that war if they would have just let us do the dirty deeds that needed to be done.


The Army and Marines job is to kill, Let them do it.

Ron

[Seascamp]

And so it seems Packy, and the beat goes on. What Israel has discovered, or relearned, is what we have experienced and learned since the first second of the first moment of 9/11.

To wit, only ?bad guys? defend themselves or fight back. Tactical advantages are ?not fair? and are publicly compromised by the MSM. People of spirituality within our free culture are to be considered non-PC, marginalized, scorned and feared whilst at the same time religious extremist maniacs and butchers of a totalitarian culture are to be embraced or rationalized away as some sort of ?freedom fighters?. The term ?terrorist? is judgmental and to be avoided, but not addressed is the reality that dismembering a few dozen people with one explosive vest blast is not about freedom at all. It?s about terror and using terror methods to force totalitarian Islamic extremist control. And of course to openly call things as they are yields the ?Racist Bigot? buggy whip right across the face.

Where the maniacs are the known and identified perpetrators of hideous butchery, their existence is denied with alternate explanations given that always link back to the identified ?bad guys? that dare to defend all of us and fight back. Axiomatic yodeling about ?We support the Troops? is the straw man that masks the stiletto in the back that come in equal measure and alternately with ?We support the troops?.

Could go on and on, but that?s enough to crisp up the scenario a bit.

Scamp

[Boats]

Getting a salt in the wound and not know why is pretty disgusting. Sorta leaves a bad taste in your mouth.

[Packo]

Scamp,

Yep.....it's a sad state of affairs. Just heard that per capita to our country, Israel lost over 5,000 men fighting Hezballah. I just don't get why the world is not appalled buy the terrorist but are appalled by us. The world has turned upside down and it's frustrating to me. I also agree strongly with the "WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS" straw man. Nicely put. I think of just going to a cabin somewhere in the mountains with Deb and let what's going to happen just happen. Depressing.

Pack