Torturing POWs

[WateringHole]

I was watching Bill O'Riley yesterday. He mentioned POWs at Guantanamo Bay are being water tortured and he claimed it has been successful in extracting valuable information. O'Riley claimed the FBI was able to stop nine different terrorest bombings.
To begin with, I don't recall hearing anything on the news about the FBI putting a stop to nine different terrorest attacks due to information they extracted from POWs and also, I have my doubts about such information being believable due to false stories that was fed to the American people about the Iraq War in the past. Such a story could cause many American people to support the govertment using torture on POWs if such valuable information can be extracted.
I'm curious if the govertment would go as far as using such torture as electric shock, cutting off fingers and toes, blinding somebody in one eye, if they haven't already done it.
Last but not least, would the govertment take the position "if we can get POWs to give us information that's useful by using torture, than lets use torture on American citizens where needed". During WWII, Germany and Russia used torture tactics on their own ciitizens. If it can happen in other countries, it can happen over here also.

[Packo]

First off....they are not POW'S, they are criminals that wear no uniform. They do not fight for their any government, they are TERRORISTS.

Not sure how many people you've talked to that have been to Gitmo, but many of our Corpsman from our hospital have been deployed there numerous times. I've talked with many of them. Here's the response I get when I ask them about torturing the "POWS". First they begin laughing. Then all have told me that except for being in a cell, they live better than the Corpsmen do that work there and the Marines that guard them. They have specially prepared meals and lots of time out of their cells. They also throw cocktails at the Marines and Sailors. These cocktails are called by number:

1. Just Piss

2. Piss and Shit

3. Piss, Shit, and Sperm

No retaliation is allowed when they do this.

Talk to someone who's been there so you might get the real story. Also, I wouldn't give a shit if they torturted all of them. Fcuk them, they are scum of the earth. Yep, we sure are heading to Nazi Germany or Stalin's Soviet Union in this country. Just look at how our criminals are treated in prison here. Cable TV, basketball, college educations......Damn, sure glad I've stayed on the straight an narrow. I have to pay to get all the tortures our people face in "Nazi Amerika".

To quote Merle Haggard..."If you don't love it, leave it........" Nazi Germany my ass.

Pack

[Bill Farnie]

WH,
Do you even know what this so called water torture is? I do and it?s hardly torture. Why don?t you find out instead of pretending to have watched Bill O'Riley. As far as I know we haven't decapitated anyone, where's your outrage on that subject? Watched Bill O'Riley my arse, more likely listened to Air America.

[WateringHole]

Bill Farnie.....I don't understand you accusing me of fabricating stories about watching Bill O'Riley when it's not true. If your attitude towards me is that I'm some "low life undesirable" because I mention things in my post you don't agree with and you have to resort to accusing me of lying, then you're going against one of the biggest reasons American Troops are allegedly in Iraq for, "freedom of speech".

From the information I was able to get that mentions anything about the meals being served to prisoners at Guantanamo Bay was gotton from bbc.co.uk. No mention of any home cooked meals. All meals are pre package in a clear plastic bag.

Breakfast- slice of bread, cream cheese, an orange, a pastry, a roll, a bottle of water
Lunch- one box of cereal, two cereal bars, one pack of peanuts, one pack of raisins, bottle of water
Dinner-bowl of white rice, red beans, one banana, slice of bread, bottle of water

If those detainees at Guantanamo Bay are not classified as POWs, than we should bring them to court and let due process take it's course. Give him a lawyer and if there's information the detainee in question perticapted in terrorest bombing, present that in court. If he's found guilty, than take him from the court room to a big wooden post and tie him to it. Cut his testicles out and foce him to eat it. Then pour gas on him and burn him alive. After that, chop his body up in about twenty pieces or so and send it to his kin folks with a stamp on the box saying "compliments from the USA".

[Robert Ryan]

Lucky they get fed that, I let them eat... .... .. -before I'd give them anything. They are not soldiers from any Army they kill without any forethougt, they don't care who they kill women, children, elderly they don't care, so let them rot in prison in cell where there this no toilets, no bed, and bread filled with maggots for protein. ..-. ..- -.-. -.-em.

[Bill Farnie]

Originally posted by WateringHole Bill Farnie.....I don't understand you accusing me of fabricating stories about watching Bill O'Riley when it's not true. If your attitude towards me is that I'm some "low life undesirable" because I mention things in my post you don't agree with and you have to resort to accusing me of lying

Why not? You've already lied on the U.S. troops on active duty call for Iraq withdrawal thread and then tried to back peddle by saying you worded the post wrong and it got steered in the wrong direction. BS to that.

Instead of taking heed of what Packy has wrote about first hand accounts from people who were at Gitmo go ahead and believe the BBC.

Although it's true that I don't agree with what you are posting, it's not so much what you post that I don't like, everyone is entitled to their opinion .... I just don't like you and your insinuations about America.

There's a lot of things that this government has done of late that I do not agree with but your way out of line and dead wrong saying that the U.S.A. condones the killing of blacks. You said it and you meant it and no amount of back peddling is going to change the fact that you believe that it's factual and it's what you really think. If you didn't, you wouldn't have wrote what you did in the first place. You didn't mis-word anything and I would have more respect for you if you just admit it.

[39mto39g]

Watering hole
You wrote "due to false stories that was fed to the American people about the Iraq War in the past"
Just what False stories are you refuring to?

The government of the United States long ago stopped listening to me, But if they would one last time, I would tell them to " let me behead them and hang them from a bridge" I got no problem with tourture at all, I'll tell them and the world what is about to happen and film it for them, Do something about it, would be my statement to the F-ing world.

But then more civilized people are in charge.
Damn

Ron

[SuperScout]

"If it can happen in other countries, it can happen over here also." So spake the prophet W-Hole.... This sounds like a quote from Sen (D) Dick Durbin, when he compared our warriors to being no better than the regimes of Pol Pot, Hitler, and other tyrants. Do you write his speeches, W-Hole? It saddens me that you have such a poor image of what America is really all about. I'm not sure if you should be pitied or ignored.

You seem to think that it would be a peachy-keen gee-whiz swell idea that all these terrorists are entitled to the very same constitutional rights as you and me. Are they US citizens, and either if they are, were they not captured on the field of battle, intent on bringing harm, death and destruction to our warriors or even over here at home? When a terrorist crosses that line, all rights and privileges cease.

And you're citing the BBC as an authoritative source of the truth? Have you completely lost your mind? The BBC is more leftist than our own MSM, so why should/would they tell the truth?

[WateringHole]

Bill.....Okay, I did some checking arond and this is what I was able to find out about water torture.

The prisoner is strapped to an incline board, feet raised and head slightly below the feet. Cellophane is wrapped around the prisoners face and water is poured over him. Unavoidably, the gag reflex kicks in and a terrifying fear of drowning leads to almost instant pleas to bring the torture to a halt. The ABC reporter who was doing the story noted "according to CIA sources, Officers who subjected themselves to the waterboarding technique lasted an averace of 14 seconds before caving in. CIA spoksman said al qaeda toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheikh won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last two and a half minutes before begging to confess.
You said water torture is "hardly" torture. If that's really true, than tell me this Bill..... how long do you think you can last if somebody was to strapped you to a board with cellophane wrapped over your face and pouring water all over you ? How long will it be before you began screaming for them to stop ? That's considered "hardly torture" as you put it .

Packy....I did some searching to try finding some information about PoWs, detainees, convicts, prisoners or whatever they are called these days and the only thing I was able to find was bbc web that had some information about the meals that are served to these characters. As far as knowing if bbc is blowing a lot of smoke at people who reads anything on their web, I wouldn't know anything about any of their stuff being carved in stone or not. It was the only place that had a little of the information I was looking for.

39........The false stories I was referring to was for one, the WMDs, that was never found, the Jessica Lynch story about her being some sort of female Audie Murphy. I sympathize for her and I prey she can recover fully and lead a normal life, but the Army tried to make a hero out of her and it backfired. She sustained her injuries when the vehicle she was in turned over.
The other false srory I was referring to was when that Ranger who use to play pro ball for the Phoenix Cardinals lost his life when he was hit by friendly fire. Again, I sympathize with his mom and dad for the lost of their son and I said a prayer for him. But again, the Army made up a story about him getting hit by the insurgents and telling his men after he got shot "don't worry about me, keep fighting".

[SEATJERKER]

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...seems to me like your tippi toeing around with some half baked ideals on what "all of this is about",...

...It's about the survival of mankind as we know it, and "with the shoe on the other foot, they would not, and have not given an inch in any way, so we must even, not lower the playing field,...

...I for one would agree with Ron, and SS and it's no punches pulled, kill um all, and it is as ugly as it gets, film it, play it, show them how ruthless we will be, plain, and simple, you interlope, you die, you even think of interloping, you die, phukin' period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...THEY ARE TERRORISTS, THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS, ONLY JUDGEMENT NOW, AND OURS SHOULD BE SWIFT, AND THEN IN THE AFTERLIFE,...

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