How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!

On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:08:47 -0500, "Engineer"
wrote this crap:

>"Patrick t." wrote in message
>news:tg0120523h8p7qfhb4emanp29k6c4vc8ue@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 00:09:09 -0500, "Engineer"
>> wrote:
>> >And, as I understand it, they're (choppers that is) much harder to fly.
>> Yea, thats why you can go to the local hobby shop and buy a remote
>> controlled helicopter. Do they sell jets at yours?
>>
>
>I watched a show on the History channel that showed a remote
>controlled model jet that went 200mph. That would be a hoot.

You'd have to have some good batteries, and a good antenna on the
controller.


Horvath@Horvath.net

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Doug Reese wrote:


> Especially from where I was sitting!
>
Even harder with your eyes closed. hahaha

Al

Luis ORTEGA wrote:

> "Charlie Wolf" wrote
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>It's clear that if bush had a military record that wasn't a complete
>
> scandal
>
>>>he would be wearing it on his lapel instead of trying to hide it.
>
>
>>Why respond to a bunch of fucking liars - like you??
>
>
> actually, if he had any kind of military record that wasn't a total scandal
> he would be flogging it every day to impress useful idiots like you.
>
A useful idiot is one who thinks running a patrol boat in the Mekong
Delta for a couple of months qualifies you to be president.

If combat service is the sole criteria for election, tell Kerry to take
his place somewhere in the line.
LZ

Luis ORTEGA wrote:

> Wow, what an asinine rationale.

Sounds logical to me. You care a great deal about Bush's military
service. How about the FACT that Kerry got out 6 months early on his
service committment so he could join Jane Fonda and her traitorous gang
in protesting the war?

Don't you think that is germane to the subject?

As for your own military record, you probably lack one. It's the only
way to explain your ignorance.
LZ

> You certainly are a useful idiot for the bush gang.
> Get a clue, kid. Nobody gives a fuck if you went and shot yourself in the
> foot to escape military service, but for some guy running for president it's
> a bit different.
> I bet you that if Kerry was an awol chickenhawk like the shrub, it would
> suddenly be terribly important for you to point that out to the voters.
> Time to trot out a new line, you illiterate hypocrite.
>
>
> "Patrick t." wrote
>
>>My point is, unless you are willing to post your military documents,
>>you shouldn't be having a bad case of diahrea of the keyboard about
>>someone else not providing theirs'.
>
>
>

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:01:03 -0600, Perry
wrote:

>On 04 Feb 2004 04:41:54 GMT, Doug Reese wrote:
>
>>Lone Haranguer wrote:
>>>Doug Reese wrote:
>>>
>>>> Horvath wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:58:04 -0000, "Luis ORTEGA"
>>>>> wrote this crap:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>gee, arnie, just what are you trying to say?
>>>>>>that kerry was a politically and morally in step with the rest of the
>>>>>>country during the vietnam war, which was rightly recognized as an immoral
>>>>>>quagmire at the time?
>>>>>>meanwhile, dubya was about halfway into his 40 year alchohol and cocaine
>>>>>>binge and missed that whole vietnam thingy.
>>>>>
>>>>>How did he fly fighter planes if he was on a alcohol and cocaine
>>>>>binge?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He didn't fly for all that long, actually.
>>>>
>>>> Doug
>>>
>>>How many hours of jet fighter time do you have?

does it matter? Bush has about zero since the F-102 wasn't a fighter.
It was a missle platform commonly called an interceptor. Its radar
systems guided the plane to a safe distance behind the target, you
launch your rockets and missiles and run for home. There is nothing
dishonorable about that, just the mission but to insult fighter pilots
by calling Bush one is another matter.
>>>
>>>Any?
>>>LZ
>>
>>Gee, you got me there. But, it doesn't change the fact that he didn't fly all that
>>long.
>>
>>Then again, I have quite a bit of time in helicopters -- all of which were in a
>>combat zone, as opposed to however many hours he spent in a jet in Texas.

My hats off to you. I'm private but could never get the hang of a
chopper or motor cycle.

THOM
>>
>>Doug
>>
>>
>>
>ok one who knows all, how many hours did he have in a F102. you claim
>to know so why not tell us.

On 04 Feb 2004 1710 GMT, Doug Reese wrote:

>Perry wrote:
>>On 04 Feb 2004 04:41:54 GMT, Doug Reese wrote:
>>
>>>Lone Haranguer wrote:
>>>>Doug Reese wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Horvath wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 3 Feb 2004 20:58:04 -0000, "Luis ORTEGA"
>>>>>> wrote this crap:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>gee, arnie, just what are you trying to say?
>>>>>>>that kerry was a politically and morally in step with the rest of the
>>>>>>>country during the vietnam war, which was rightly recognized as an immoral
>>>>>>>quagmire at the time?
>>>>>>>meanwhile, dubya was about halfway into his 40 year alchohol and cocaine
>>>>>>>binge and missed that whole vietnam thingy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How did he fly fighter planes if he was on a alcohol and cocaine
>>>>>>binge?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He didn't fly for all that long, actually.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doug
>>>>
>>>>How many hours of jet fighter time do you have?
>>>>
>>>>Any?
>>>>LZ
>>>
>>>Gee, you got me there. But, it doesn't change the fact that he didn't fly all that
>>>long.
>>>
>>>Then again, I have quite a bit of time in helicopters -- all of which were in a
>>>combat zone, as opposed to however many hours he spent in a jet in Texas.
>>>
>>>Doug
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>ok one who knows all, how many hours did he have in a F102. you claim
>>to know so why not tell us.
>
>Don't have a clue. I do know that he actually flew in the Guard from the spring of
>1970 till the spring of 1972.

OK lets look at that. he would have put in say 200 hours in all types
training if he'se lucky and that leaves 4 years (not counting his
missing time) so figure 3 hours a weekend, one wekend a month for 4 =
344 hrs tops. Not very much especially conisdeing he was ground after
refusing the physical so it might be under 300 hours.

THOM
>
>Doug
>
>
>

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 1439 -0600, Charlie Wolf
wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 1902 -0000, "Luis ORTEGA"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Gomer" wrote
>>> The Real Military Record of George W. Bush: Not Heroic, but Not AWOL,
>>> Either
>>> By Peter Keating and Karthik Thyagarajan
>>> For more than a year, controversy about George W. Bush's Air National
>>> Guard record has bubbled through the press. Interest in the topic has
>>> spiked in recent days, as at least two websites have launched stories
>>> essentially calling Bush AWOL in 1972 and 1973.
>>
>>So, why did the Bush campaign refuse to release his military records, as
>>Senator
>>John McCain and Vice President Gore both did during the 2000 campaign?
>>Obviously, he knows a lot more about his own dereliction of duty than the
>>two useful idiot apologists who cranked out that story you posted.
>>It's clear that if bush had a military record that wasn't a complete scandal
>>he would be wearing it on his lapel instead of trying to hide it.
>Why respond to a bunch of fucking liars - like you??
>Regards,

you mean like Bush refuses to respond to calls for his miliary
records, DD-214 and DD-256AF???

THOM
>
>>
>

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 13:01:03 -0800, Patrick t.
wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 2026 -0000, "Luis ORTEGA"
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Charlie Wolf" wrote
>>> wrote:
>>> >It's clear that if bush had a military record that wasn't a complete
>>scandal
>>> >he would be wearing it on his lapel instead of trying to hide it.
>>
>>> Why respond to a bunch of fucking liars - like you??
>>
>>actually, if he had any kind of military record that wasn't a total scandal
>>he would be flogging it every day to impress useful idiots like you.
>>
>Save this post to refer back to it when kerry gets outed for the
>treacherous piece of shit that he is asshole.

and that makes Bush's disgracefull record any better HOW????

THOM

"Doug Reese" wrote in message
news:40212be5$0$8373$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...

> >ok one who knows all, how many hours did he have in a F102. you claim
> >to know so why not tell us.
>
> Don't have a clue. I do know that he actually flew in the Guard from the
spring of
> 1970 till the spring of 1972.

I believe that, at one point in his career, he volunteered to fly F-102s in Viet
Nam (since there was a need for F-102 pilots for reconnaissance duty at the
time). His offer was rejected for lack of experience, since he apparently had
less than 300 hours of the required 500 hour minimum in that airplane at the
time). He apparently never got to 500 hours or, if even he did, he didn't
bother to renew his volunteer statement.
>
> Doug
>
>
>

On Wed, 04 Feb 2004 1101 -0800, Patrick t.
wrote:

>On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 19:04:28 -0000, "Luis ORTEGA"
> wrote:
>
>>"Horvath" wrote
>>> How did he fly fighter planes if he was on a alcohol and cocaine
>>> binge?
>>
>>apparently, he didn't.
>>
>>Why did the Bush campaign refuse to release his military records, as Senator
>>John McCain and Vice President Gore both did during the 2000 campaign?
>>Computer records show last physical as May 1971. Which also shows him as CR
>>MEM ON FS (crew member on flight service) not PILOT.
>Could you be so kind as to post ALL of your military records here for
>us on a.w.v. thank you.

if you had been in the military yourself you would have remembered
that on release or discharge we were ordered to place our DD-214's on
public record (county recorder) in our home of record.

Mine is at the Santa Barbara Country recorder in California AND the
Jefferson County Recorder in Colorado. Where's Bush's??????

THOM