Go ahead. If Obama is elected what will happen ? Scare me.

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Originally Posted by SEATJERKER

...

...It's not just about our economy,...

....This is about the "big picture" of the world as a whole, O-Bummer just doesn't have the balls to keep the wolves at bay, he'll "talk to them", yea, right, and like they will listen, BULL,...

...The bad guys will nip at the heels until they have a death grip, then rip the carcus to shreads as they "feast upon what is left of the world plunging it into darknesss, every man, and family for themselves,...

...O-Bummer is clueless, or just turning a blind eye to what is really boiling out there,...

... I'd rather have a man ready to fight, then a mouse that squeeks,...

...

Curtis, I respect your opinions, but perhaps you should read these links :

Bush's 'Axis of Evil' Comes Back to Haunt United States

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100901130.html

Rice in Libya: A Rare Mideast Success

http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...839269,00.html

Politics scuttles plan to put US diplomats in Iran
Oct 4, 2008

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081004/...s_iran_no_deal

Envoy Leaves North Korea With Issues Unresolved
Oct 3, 2008

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/04/wo...a/04korea.html

We have given the Communists in North Korea many thousands of tons of grain which went straight to their Army. They still play us like a cheap guitar over the nukes issue.

Most of the world thinks we are clueless now in many ways when we conduct "dipolomacy".

Larry

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Originally Posted by darrels joy

2nd Amendment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pk9GwXJNM2c

In his own words: Barack Obama describes what he would do on dozens of topics. Also addressed: Why Obama?, and Who is Obama?). This is ASK OBAMA NOW: http://wwwaskobamanow.com. VOTER EDUCATION in a well organized, concise, CITIZEN-FRIENDLY collection of short video clips, news articles, speeches. Tired of news coverage top-heavy with poll results and fund raising -- but that doesn't answer your questions? Give us a few minutes and we'll give you a deeper, balanced understanding of what Barack Obama would do as president and who he is. Presented by an independent web site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB4ew09eoeQ&NR=1

There are millions of links on the interent about the loss of our rights since 9/11 :


Bush’s War on the Bill of Rights

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory10.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Bush and Republican Congress Erase 800 Years of Human Rights

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-...r_b_30649.html

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Libraries post Patriot Act warnings
Santa Cruz branches tell patrons that FBI may spy on them

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10/MN14634.DTL

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PAT...ct#Controversy

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http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resourc...s20031114.html

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http://www.aclu.org/PatriotActFlash/...ActFeature.htm

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Exclusive: Report Says FBI Violated Patriot Act Guidelines

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/...ive_repor.html
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These were added to the first post in this thread :

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Despite widespread warnings about the 9/11 terrorist attacks, from foreign and domestic sources, they were ignored.

He will ignore a natural calamity and let the folks suffer for over a week without helping them ??? ( Katrina )

We will lose 2.3 million jobs to China in 7 years ??

http://www.industryweek.com/ReadArti...rticleID=16937

An education program like "No Child Left behind" will be a massive failure ?

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Originally Posted by SuperScout

Much of the economic chaos has happened since Da Dims took control of congress in 2006. I just love how they say they will/have changed things! Unemployment is up, gas prices are way up, consumer confidence is down, governmental spending is still way up, illegal immigration is still up, favorable ratings of congress is still down, and way down, Social Security and Medicare are still actualarily unsound, taxes are scheduled to go back up, and no plans to make us energy independent.

I say throw out all incumbents, enact real reform by term-limiting all elective officials, eliminate all congresssional perks and privileges, reduce government to only those actions rquired by the US Constitution.

I agree with you that all incumbents should be voted out, but my experience has been that most folks will not vote against their Congressman or Senator, or we would have lots of turnover. I am voting against my Democrat Congressman just because he is an incumbent. He will win by a big margin.

As for shifting all the blame to the Democrats who took office on Jan. 20, 2007, ( about 20 months total ), most, if not all, of the items I listed were already out of control. The Democrats in Congress have been a failure. Period.

Larry

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Originally Posted by SuperScout

I see that you've bought into the 'politics of defeatism,' and as such Barack Hussein Obama, the bastard son of a Kenyan bigamist and socialist, will play the cut and run cardin Iraq, snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. This action alone will demoralize our warriors, probably resulting in thousands of them quitting at the end of their enlistments, just like they did under Carter and Clinton. Both democrat losers with regards to the military.

Further cuts as proposed by Barack Hussein Obama, the bastard son of a Kenyan bigamist and socialist, will weaken our defense system with regards to a misslde defense shield, making your fat ass that much more vulnerable.

I respect your views, but mine are different.

Larry

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Originally Posted by darrels joy

1st Amendment

The Coming Obama Thugocracy
Attempts to shut down political speech have become routine for liberals.

By Michael Barone



Obama fans jammed WGN’s phone lines and sent in hundreds of protest emails. The message was clear to anyone who would follow Rosenberg’s example. We will make trouble for you if you let anyone make the case against The One.


Other Obama supporters have threatened critics with criminal prosecution.

In September, St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce warned citizens that they would bring criminal libel prosecutions against anyone who made statements against Obama that were “false.” I had been under the impression that the Alien and Sedition Acts had gone out of existence in 1801-02. Not so, apparently, in metropolitan St. Louis. Similarly, the Obama campaign called for a criminal investigation of the American Issues Project when it ran ads highlighting Obama's ties to Ayers.

These attempts to shut down political speech have become routine for liberals. Congressional Democrats sought to reimpose the “fairness doctrine” on broadcasters, which until it was repealed in the 1980s required equal time for different points of view. The motive was plain: to shut down the one conservative-leaning communications medium, talk radio. Liberal talk-show hosts have mostly failed to draw audiences, and many liberals can’t abide having citizens hear contrary views.

To their credit, some liberal old-timers — like House Appropriations Chairman David Obey — voted against the “fairness doctrine,” in line with their longstanding support of free speech. But you can expect the “fairness doctrine” to get another vote if Barack Obama wins and Democrats increase their congressional majorities.

Corporate liberals have done their share in shutting down anti-liberal speech, too. Saturday Night Live ran a spoof of the financial crisis that skewered Democrats like House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank and liberal contributors Herbert and Marion Sandler, who sold toxic-waste-filled Golden West to Wachovia Bank for $24 billion. Kind of surprising, but not for long. The tape of the broadcast disappeared from NBC’s Website and was replaced with another that omitted the references to Frank and the Sandlers. Evidently NBC and its parent, General Electric, don't want people to hear speech that attacks liberals.

Then there’s the Democrats’ “card check” legislation, which would abolish secret ballot elections in determining whether employees are represented by unions. The unions’ strategy is obvious: Send a few thugs over to employees’ homes — we know where you live — and get them to sign cards that will trigger a union victory without giving employers a chance to be heard.

Once upon a time, liberals prided themselves, with considerable reason, as the staunchest defenders of free speech. Union organizers in the 1930s and 1940s made the case that they should have access to employees to speak freely to them, and union leaders like George Meany and Walter Reuther were ardent defenders of the First Amendment.

Today’s liberals seem to be taking their marching orders from other quarters. Specifically, from the college and university campuses where administrators, armed with speech codes, have for years been disciplining and subjecting to sensitivity training any students who dare to utter thoughts that liberals find offensive. The campuses that used to pride themselves as zones of free expression are now the least free part of our society.

Obama supporters who found the campuses congenial and Obama himself, who has chosen to live all his adult life in university communities, seem to find it entirely natural to suppress speech that they don't like and seem utterly oblivious to claims that this violates the letter and spirit of the First Amendment. In this campaign, we have seen the coming of the Obama thugocracy, suppressing free speech, and we may see its flourishing in the four or eight years ahead.
COPYRIGHT 2008 CREATORS SYNDICATE INC.

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2003/dec/15/00012/


December 15, 2003 Issue
Copyright © 2008 The American Conservative

"Free-Speech Zone" PDF

The administration quarantines dissent.

By James Bovard

On Dec. 6, 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft informed the Senate Judiciary Committee, “To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty … your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and … give ammunition to America’s enemies.” Some commentators feared that Ashcroft’s statement, which was vetted beforehand by top lawyers at the Justice Department, signaled that this White House would take a far more hostile view towards opponents than did recent presidents. And indeed, some Bush administration policies indicate that Ashcroft’s comment was not a mere throwaway line.

When Bush travels around the United States, the Secret Service visits the location ahead of time and orders local police to set up “free speech zones” or “protest zones” where people opposed to Bush policies (and sometimes sign-carrying supporters) are quarantined. These zones routinely succeed in keeping protesters out of presidential sight and outside the view of media covering the event.

When Bush came to the Pittsburgh area on Labor Day 2002, 65-year-old retired steel worker Bill Neel was there to greet him with a sign proclaiming, “The Bush family must surely love the poor, they made so many of us.” The local police, at the Secret Service’s behest, set up a “designated free-speech zone” on a baseball field surrounded by a chain-link fence a third of a mile from the location of Bush’s speech. The police cleared the path of the motorcade of all critical signs, though folks with pro-Bush signs were permitted to line the president’s path. Neel refused to go to the designated area and was arrested for disorderly conduct; the police also confiscated his sign. Neel later commented, “As far as I’m concerned, the whole country is a free speech zone. If the Bush administration has its way, anyone who criticizes them will be out of sight and out of mind.”

( an excellent article and more at the above link )

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Originally Posted by SEATJERKER

...

...Still doing Paranormal investigations???,...

...Do me a favor, get inside O-bummer's head, and tell me if there is a living being in there,...

...luv ya man,...

...

Yes, still involved in UFOs, and all the rest. No, politicians are way too freaky for me to try to figure out !!

Love you too Brother !!

Larry

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For the record, I worked locally for the Ron Paul campaign this past year because I believed in what he was warning us about, and I agreed with his stand on most issues... It is all coming to pass now. There just wasn't any support for him because folks could not see the hand writing on the wall. Things are only going to get much worse no matter who is elected President and no matter who controls Congress. The Republican Party had a chance in 1994 to do the right thing and failed. They have also failed miserably, in just about any way you can measure their performance, over the past 8 years. How they can be rewarded wth re-election for all of this, is way beyond me.

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Anyway, I am supporting Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. In 2004, I voted for Ralph Nader.

http://www.baldwin08.com/

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Both political parties play us all for suckers. 50% of us that could vote will not even register. The rest keep re-electing politicians who have no fear of being kicked out of office, and just do whatever the hell they please.

I posted the list of things at the top that are terribly wrong with this country just to show how bad things are, and where we are headed. I think we are going straight over a cliff.

Larry

[darrels joy]

There are millions of links on the interent about the loss of our rights since 9/11 :


Bush’s War on the Bill of Rights

http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory10.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Bush and Republican Congress Erase 800 Years of Human Rights

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-...r_b_30649.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Libraries post Patriot Act warnings
Santa Cruz branches tell patrons that FBI may spy on them

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...10/MN14634.DTL

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PAT...ct#Controversy

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.aclu.org/safefree/resourc...s20031114.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

http://www.aclu.org/PatriotActFlash/...ActFeature.htm

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Exclusive: Report Says FBI Violated Patriot Act Guidelines

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/...ive_repor.html

There are millions of links on the interent about everything.

Just because we are losing our rights does not mean that we should't fight to keep them.

Every time Congress or the courts make a law or ruling to define a specific issue, more limits are set.

Obama has already stated how he would limit free speach and his people have been demonstrating how far they will go.

When I was growing up, free speach was supposed to be about 'not shouting fire in a crowded theatre'. In this campaign, courts, police and individuals are working hard to quiet others.

I have no desire to watch "free speech" to deteriorate so badly that it is only free if you agree and don't hurt anyone's feelings.

I prefer the old "I disagree with what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it."

Joy

[darrels joy]

BARONE: The coming liberal thugocracy


Michael Barone

COMMENTARY:

"I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors," Barack Obama told a crowd in Elko, Nev. "I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face." Actually, Obama supporters are doing a lot more than getting into people's faces. They seem determined to shut people up.

That's what Obama supporters, alerted by campaign e-mails, did when conservative Stanley Kurtz appeared on Milt Rosenberg's WGN radio program in Chicago. Mr. Kurtz had been researching Mr. Obama's relationship with unrepentant Weather Underground terrorist William Ayers in Chicago Annenberg Challenge papers in the Richard J. Daley Library in Chicago - papers that were closed off to him for some days, apparently at the behest of Obama supporters.

Obama fans jammed WGN's phone lines and sent in hundreds of protest e-mails. The message was clear to anyone who would follow Mr. Rosenberg's example. We will make trouble for you if you let anyone make the case against The One.

Other Obama supporters have threatened critics with criminal prosecution. In September, St. Louis County Circuit Attorney Bob McCulloch and St. Louis City Circuit Attorney Jennifer Joyce warned citizens that they would bring criminal libel prosecutions against anyone who made statements against Mr. Obama that were "false." I had been under the impression that the Alien and Sedition Acts had gone out of existence in 1801-'02. Not so, apparently, in metropolitan St. Louis. Similarly, the Obama campaign called for a criminal investigation of the American Issues Project when it ran ads highlighting Mr. Obama's ties to Mr. Ayers.

These attempts to shut down political speech have become routine for liberals. Congressional Democrats sought to reimpose the "fairness doctrine" on broadcasters, which until it was repealed in the 1980s required equal time for different points of view. The motive was plain: to shut down the one conservative-leaning communications medium, talk radio. Liberal talk-show hosts have mostly failed to draw audiences, and many liberals can't abide having citizens hear contrary views.

To their credit, some liberal old-timers - like House Appropriations Chairman David Obey - voted against the "fairness doctrine," in line with their longstanding support of free speech. But you can expect the "fairness doctrine" to get another vote if Barack Obama wins and Democrats increase their congressional majorities.

Corporate liberals have done their share in shutting down anti-liberal speech, too. "Saturday Night Live" ran a spoof of the financial crisis that skewered Democrats like House Financial Services Chairman Barney Frank and liberal contributors Herbert and Marion Sandler, who sold toxic-waste-filled Golden West to Wachovia Bank for $24 billion. Kind of surprising, but not for long. The tape of the broadcast disappeared from NBC's Web site and was replaced with another that omitted the references to Mr. Frank and the Sandlers. Evidently NBC and its parent, General Electric, don't want people to hear speech that attacks liberals.

Then there's the Democrats' "card check" legislation that would abolish secret ballot elections in determining whether employees are represented by unions. The unions' strategy is obvious: Send a few thugs over to employees' homes - we know where you live - and get them to sign cards that will trigger a union victory without giving employers a chance to be heard.

Once upon a time, liberals prided themselves, with considerable reason, as the staunchest defenders of free speech. Union organizers in the 1930s and 1940s made the case that they should have access to employees to speak freely to them, and union leaders like George Meany and Walter Reuther were ardent defenders of the First Amendment.

Today's liberals seem to be taking their marching orders from other quarters. Specifically, from the college and university campuses where administrators, armed with speech codes, have for years been disciplining and subjecting to sensitivity training any students who dare to utter thoughts that liberals find offensive. The campuses that once prided themselves as zones of free expression are now the least free part of our society.

Obama supporters who found the campuses congenial and Mr. Obama himself, who has chosen to live all his adult life in university communities, seem to find it entirely natural to suppress speech they don't like and seem utterly oblivious to claims this violates the letter and spirit of the First Amendment. In this campaign, we have seen the coming of the
Obama thugocracy, suppressing free speech, and we may see its flourishing in the four or eight years ahead.

• Michael Barone is a nationally syndicated columnist.
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008...gocracy/print/