For Gimpy and James

[Gimpy]

Like I said earlier, I didn't 'ask' for this 'bloody fight' as Scamp called it. I saw something I felt needed to be addresed, and I spoke out about it. Plain & simple. You accuse me of "attacking a man's character to prove a political point." Which I did NOT do. I simply saw where someone used language that was at least as improper or unsavory as he had accused others of doing and pointed out the fact to him.

And yet you (and many others around here) very rarely ever offer any outrage or sense of personal or perspicuous resentment to those individuals that have occasion to use that same "character attacking" technique that you say I'm guilty of, towards folks who may be slightly (or more) liable to see things somewhat differently than those who may be of a little different political persuasion than many who are obviously 'right' of center? I don't think I can remember one time where you (or many others around here) have protested or spoken out in such an obviously blameworthy or disapprovingly manner when Col. Murph (and others, most however not to the same degree) has impugned and personally attacked not ONLY my "character", but even my service to my country??? Why do you suppose that is?

As far as that post you've "quoted"..........................I will stand by EVERY SINGLE WORD OF IT!

And, you're RIGHT.........................I NEVER said ALL REPUBLICANS were in that "category" that I've place those "NEW" Republicans. And, I most DEFINATELY take exception to your statement , "This is not a politcal statement this is an attack on the character of every Republican that post on this site". That WAS not my intent and is an absolutely inapplicable in the context you've put it. Why is it that some folks can accuse and/or denigrate Democrats in the most vile and disgusting manner they choose, and yet you see very little of that same 'outrage' or 'condemnation' from most folks around here?

I myself at one time considered myself to be a steadfast "Republican". And voted for many Republican politicians, local & national. But, very rarely after I saw what Ronald Reagan was doing to Veterans and poor folks in this country. And especially after I saw what Newt Ginrich did and was attempting to do in Congress in the early and late 1990's. I have many, many friends and family who are Republicans and feel fortunate and blessed to have the opportunity to associate myself with them.

But it is absolutely UNdeniable that THOSE folks who now LEAD the Republican party are being led astray and unduly influenced by the former "DixieCrats, fundamentalist Christians and far-right wing segments" that make up the most 'visable' and obviously most 'vocal' elements within that party.

I am simply bringing attention and showcasing the things I consider to be in need of addressing by those within the Republican party (and outside it) who are hopefully able to change its' 'direction' before more, and more GOOD Republicans reputations and esteem may be damaged by 'these' folks.

If that hurts folks feelings, then I suppose that's they way it will be.

I also feel we have much more 'in common' than it sometimes appears.

Best to you & yours.

[Arrow]

Steve...

It's a little over the top to expect a woman to run defense for you when youimpugn her integrity. However, no matter how angry I've been with you there has never been a time that I have denigrated your service to this country nor would I encourage or befriend anyone that did so.

Arrow>>>>>>

[Gimpy]

NOT what I said Arrow,

What I DID say was this:

"And yet you (and many others around here) very rarely ever offer any outrage or sense of personal or perspicuous resentment towards folks who may be slightly (or more) liable to see things somewhat differently than those who may be of a little different political persuasion than many who are obviously 'right' of center? I don't think I can remember one time where you (or many others around here) have protested or spoken out in such an obviously blameworthy or disapprovingly manner when Col. Murph (and others, most however not to the same degree) has impugned and personally attacked not ONLY my "character", but even my service to my country??? Why do you suppose that is ?


And, in addition...............it seems very strange that you felt it essential that you 'speak out' in defense of Scamp, but however apparently it was not so important or necessary for you to speak out in 'defense' of ME with the same "intensity" and "outrage" when "my character" (and my service to our country) was so unconditionally 'trashed' and 'impugned' by that beacon of civility (ha) Col. Murph.................where were YOU then???

Is your 'outrage' and ''anger' so prejudiced that you can only show it in circumstances where it obviously does not reflect badly on those whom you may see fit that it NOT apply???

The post where you believe I 'impugned' your integrity was put up MONTHS and MONTHS after the one where Murph 'trashed' me. So your answer that reflects THIS was the 'cause' of your inability to come to my 'defense' with such ferocity does not apply?

Once again, I DID NOT ask for this crap...........and I have nothing but great respect for your efforts to advance the cause of military veterans and their families. But, I can see nothing good coming from this 'conversation'.

So, I am DONE with it.

[Arrow]

Steve...

On the same thread you and Murph had your famousshoot out is apost from me to Larry telling him why there is no back channel conversation going on between you and I because you impugn my integrity twice. Once was enough for me. You are doing it again by not taking my word in regard to Scamp and his word.I'm not going to defend you or anyone else that treats me with disrespect.

As to that shoot out I saw it pretty much like Trav when he stated now that you were both done measuring you both needed to take downyour DD214.

I don't owe you an explanation in regard to why I feel so passionate about my friends on this siteany more than you owe me one about why you feel so passionate about yours. It is what it is. If you want to call that prejudice then it's common to the human condition. And I'm guilty as charged. There go my angel wings.

I could be dead in the street tonight and not show up on this site for months and I can name on one hand the people that would be looking for me from this site.Scamp would be one of them.

And that's a true story....

Arrow>>>>>>

Shoot Out

[SuperScout]

... and I'd be one of the others...........

[Arrow]

Thank you, Scout,you were in the count...

Semper Fi, Sir

Arrow>>>>>

[exlrrp]

I haven''t seen one quote put up yet by anyone where I call SeaScamp may be a racist. I doon't hardly read the man's posts. If it was something Gimpy said that I seconded, well paste it in your hat, I"m backing up Gimpy.
I don't get it---I've been called a liar coward and a traitor by conservatives, some of them posting here--I should worry that they think I'm not a "Gallant gentleman??"
LET me point out here that conservatives have opposed EVERY civill rights act in aditiion to every law against lynching--as well as torture. They opposed everyy attempt to give minorities equal rights--women too--I think thats racist and sexist but they think they have theiir reasons. Strom THUrmond,, poster boy for segregation, (who NEVER recanted his views) died senior Republican and conservative Senator after the Democrats threw him out for opposiing ciivil rights. Republicans welcomed him with open arms because they endorsed his racist views.
If somehow I Called SEAscamp a racist then consider this:I think EVERYONE'S got Racist tendencies. THIS includes myself.
ANd as for the word "axed" SiiNce when did this become Negro slang I'm deriding? I sayy it every dayy, just axe anyone that knows me.
Racism is in the eye of the beholder. CALL Me a racist and see how much I laugh.

[SuperScout]

During the presidency of FDR, there were several attempts to pass an anti-lynching bill into law. Each time, it was filibustered to death, despite the pleas of the President's wife, Eleanor. One of the longest talkers during the filibuster was that paragon of civil liberties, Robert Byrd, Democrat - WV, hardly a conservative.

When LBJ was trying to get the Civil Rights Act passed into law, it was the parliamentary genius of Everett Dirksen, Republican - IL, who gathered the votes on the Repubican side of the aisle to get the bill passed into law. That same bill was lobbied for defeat by none other than Al Gore, Sr. Democrat - TN, hardly a conservative.

When the Civil Rights Act became law, my good friend and I integrated a previously segregated local cafe in Killeen, Texas, because we were both hungry, and it was the right thing to do. By and large, most military people today would classify themselves as "conservative," and the completely integrated condition of the military is a testimony to that degree of open-mindedness. There are racists in every walk of life.

Your broad-brush approach to condemn every conservative doesn't work, James. And your facts are skewed over or screwed up.

[reconeil]

Granted, Nel is well intentioned.
But, being new here just doesn't realize that trying to stop either Gimpy or exllrp from twisting things, name calling or belittling any and all opposing typical DNC or ACLU ploys,...is truly a waste of time. And besides, name callings, demeanings and character assassinatings are basically all that Dems currently have going for them, anyway.

Still, don't see why all the time and rhetoric wasted on whom called whom: "A Racist", here? People already get enough of that standard DNC or ACLU diversionary bull, daily on Nationwide TV. Such has become boring since so transparent and so obvious, plus quite diverting from real problems.

More interesting about: "Holier Than Thou" or "Squeeky-Clean" Gimpy & exllrp type's ineptness at countering truths civilly,...was when exllrp and/or James made disparaging remarks about my mother. Such showed the TRUE caliber or character lacking of such.

Didn't bother me in the slightest, since responding to no doubt an amateur in: "Rankin" or "The Dozens",...was truly no-big-deal.
Putting such in place, was No Contest whatsoever.

Hell,...once and after patiently listening to some similarly foul-mouthed obscene caller spew forth his garbage, I then had my say. Wouldn't-chu-know? The bum actually had the nerve to HANG UP ON ME,...before I could finish.

Guess low-lifes just can't handle what they quite normally dish-out themselves?

Neil