How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!

Doug Reese wrote:

> Charlie Wolf wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 2123 -0000, "Luis ORTEGA"
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>hey, chuckie, if the shoe fits...
>>>anyone stupid enough to defend the shrub's military dereliction of duty,
>>>when the guy himself is afraid to touch the topic, is certainly a prime
>>>example of a useful idiot.
>>
>>Sheesh you're a fucking moron. Let me run through this again for you.
>>GWB served honorably, and was honorably discharged. He was not
>>derelict in duty, AWOL or a deserter. That is fact.
>>
>>Kerry on the other hand, DESERTED his own troops in Vietnam and came
>>back to the states and called them all war criminals. My source??
>>Kerry himself.
>>Regards,
>
>
> He deserted no one.

OTOH he DID apply to have his tour cut very short after 3 band aid type
wounds.
>
> He called all of them war criminals? How 'bout a quote?

From Kerry's 1971 speech to the Senate:
>
they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from
portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off
limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in
fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun,
poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam

the hypocrisy in our taking umbrage at the Geneva Conventions and
using that as justification for a continuation of this war when we are
more guilty than any other body of violations of those Geneva
Conventions; in the use of free fire zones, harassment interdiction
fire, search and destroy missions, the bombings, the torture of
prisoners, all accepted policy by many units in South Vietnam.

You DO know how to use Google to find stuff, right?
LZ

> Doug
>
>

Doug Reese wrote:

> Lone Haranguer wrote:
>
>>Luis ORTEGA wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Wow, what an asinine rationale.
>>
>>Sounds logical to me. You care a great deal about Bush's military
>>service. How about the FACT that Kerry got out 6 months early on his
>>service committment so he could join Jane Fonda and her traitorous gang
>>in protesting the war?
>>
>>Don't you think that is germane to the subject?
>
>
> Not really. Bush did it. Kerry did it. I did it -- a few months after
> Kerry did. So what?
>
> Doug

So the rationale had to do with Luis wanting a full accounting of Bush's
military records but has no interest in posting his own.

Kerry got an early out to join Hanoi Jane in traitorous activities.
Were you part of that group too?
LZ
LZ

Luis ORTEGA wrote:

> "Lone Haranguer" wrote
>
>>If you think everyone should post their military records on Usenet, why
>>not set a good example and do so yourself????
>>I've posted a complete military history myself if you want to dig for it
>>on Google.
>
>
>
> geez, try to keep up with the plot, eh, kid?
> what the fuck does posting your or my military record on the internet have
> to do with anything?

Seems to me if you want others to put their military record up for
viewing, you should be willing to do the same; right windbag?

> we're talking about a guy running for president who was afraid to provide
> anything, verbal, written or otherwise, to refute the fact that he was an
> awol, chickenhawk draft dodger guilty of dereliction of duty while on a
> cushy posting that he got because of daddy's connections.

Pure DNC propaganda. The units I was advisor to in 2 states from 67-72
had officer vacancies during the entire period that were NEVER filled.
The AD commitment was simply too long for most people. NO connections
were needed. I actively recruited to fill slots but prior service
officers was all there was.

Your experience with this process was??????

> you can bet your ass that if bush had any proof that his military stint was
> anything other than a scandalous con job, he and his gang of idiots would
> have provided the proof long ago.

Much of my military record is also missing. Clerks threw it away, much
supposedly burned while in government custody. My medical records are
in worse shape. The VA "lost" most of them twice.

> as it is, the shrub is still stonewalling about his drug use and his awol
> antics. i suspect that the real reason is that he was so stoned during that
> time that he doesn't even remember.
> he certainly doesn't seem to know jack shit about flying a plane.
>
> here's a report on his flying:
>
> Donnie Evans remembered a similar story involving an airplane. He told David
> Maraniss that less than a year after George W. first got back to Midland he
> came over to Donnie's house and told him he wanted to take a single-engine
> Cessna for a little joyride. They drove over to the airfield and got in the
> plane. Then George W. realized he didn't have a clue how to fly a Cessna.
> "The guy didn't even know how to start the thing," Evans reportedly said.
> "That was a bad omen. Finally we get it started and roll down the runway,
> and he tries to take it straight up like a jet! We go into a stall, buzzcrs
> are going off. I say, 'Give it some gas!' We finally get it airborne, and he
> decides he better turn around and go back. I can tell he's nervous, but he
> says, 'Okay, Evvie, got it under control.' We come down and he lands half on
> the runway and half on the grass. And then he pats my leg and says don't
> worry, and he takes it up again. This time he's so scared he says, 'Hey,
> let's fly around Midland.' He had to get his confidence up. Somehow we got
> back safely. He's never flown again. If he flew the T-41A at Moody, should
> have been his Primary Trainer in '68, he should have been able to fly the
> Cessna 172 in '76. Even if it was 12 years later, he should have been
> rechecked on it before the rental. Was he just screwing around? Hard to say.
> Does it sound like a real pilot? No."

GW probably fucked his girlfriend.
>
> go back to sucking on your blanket, linus.
> you're pissing against the wind here, kid.

This "kid" will be 70 tomorrow, junior. I've probably been retired from
the military longer than you have been alive. Now take your pacifier
out of your ass, put it back in your mouth and run along.
LZ
>
>
>

"Lone Haranguer" wrote in message
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> Doug Reese wrote:

> >
> >
> > Not really. Bush did it. Kerry did it. I did it -- a few months after
> > Kerry did. So what?
> >
> > Doug
>
> So the rationale had to do with Luis wanting a full accounting of Bush's
> military records but has no interest in posting his own.
>
> Kerry got an early out to join Hanoi Jane in traitorous activities.
> Were you part of that group too?

You ought to be ashamed of yourself LZ. Doug may not adhere to your
particular brand of political thinking but that is no cause to accuse him of
being part of the WSI bullshit.

--

Don Thompson

"The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before
them, glory and danger alike, and notwithstanding go out to meet it."-
Thucydides

"Men are never really willing to die except for the sake of Freedom:
Therefore they do not believe in dying completely."-
Albert Camus

Lone Haranguer wrote:

> Doug Reese wrote:
>
>> Lone Haranguer wrote:
>>
>>>Luis ORTEGA wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Wow, what an asinine rationale.
>>>
>>>Sounds logical to me. You care a great deal about Bush's military
>>>service. How about the FACT that Kerry got out 6 months early on his
>>>service committment so he could join Jane Fonda and her traitorous gang
>>>in protesting the war?
>>>
>>>Don't you think that is germane to the subject?
>>
>>
>> Not really. Bush did it. Kerry did it. I did it -- a few months after
>> Kerry did. So what?
>>
>> Doug
>
> So the rationale had to do with Luis wanting a full accounting of Bush's
> military records but has no interest in posting his own.
>
> Kerry got an early out to join Hanoi Jane in traitorous activities.

Rush says that when Kerry is elected President, he's going to appoint Jane Fonda
to be Secretary of Defense.

> Were you part of that group too?
> LZ
> LZ

Luis ORTEGA wrote:

> "Lone Haranguer" wrote
>
>>Tsk, tsk. Sloppy attendance keeping. I didn't get paid from Oct 64 to
>>Feb '65. Does that mean I wasn't on active duty? Nope. It means some
>>klutz lost my pay record.
>
>
> sloppy records, eh, linus?

Obviously you never served a day.

> how convenient for you and the shrub.

Clerks were not the smartest or best motivated.

> he was probably passed out from drink and drugs and you were probably hiding
> under your blanket.

I was probably seeing combat when your mother was born.

> keep flogging this bullshit, kid.

Keep flogging your dong. I hear it's good for frostbite.

> it only serves to remind people what a loser life the shrub led before being
> appointed president.
>
Hey; if he was appointed that means he can legally serve two more terms.
Good thinking. Means
you can keep your job at the tire shop.
LZ

John Starrett wrote:

> Lone Haranguer wrote:
>
>
>
>> If combat service is the sole criteria for election, tell Kerry to
>> take his place somewhere in the line.
>
>
> Indeed. Kerry has no record of public service or membership in any
> deliberative body whatsoever.
>
I hear he was AWOL a lot and missed a lot of votes....
LZ

herr_stormtruppen_al_franken@yahoo.de (Adolph Al Franken - Brown Shirt Left Wing Fascist) wrote in message news:<68d92f02.0402041150.1f164919@posting.google.com>...
> > "Arnold Wolfcaste" wrote
> > > Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
> > > and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.
> > >
> > > Denouncing America with 'Hanoi' Jane: Although Wesley Clark and others
> > > have attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski
> > > bum, Kerry is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays
> > > himself as.
> > > He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme
> > > appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted
> > > with the likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon
> > > Johnson's radical former attorney general.
>
>
> Kerry also sold out MIAs and POWs when "normalizing" realtions with
> Vietnam. Kerry got his 20 peiecs of silver along with McCain but they
> did nothing to help POWs or MIAs.

Kerry is a self serving liberal piece of shit who cancelled
out his four months duty in Vietnam when he came home and
marched with Hanoi Jane, spit on Vietnam veterans and tossed
his medals over the wall. How many American kids did his
support for the Vietnam Communists kill? The SOB hasn't
changed one bit since his youthful days of treason. As a US
Senator, Kerry has voted against every bill to support
America's military and every bill to support America's
intelligence assets. This uncharismatic, dull, Commie, rich
prick from Massachusetts has the hubris to run for the
presidency and spread lies on the President.

"Horvath" wrote in message
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> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:08:47 -0500, "Engineer"
> wrote this crap:

> >I watched a show on the History channel that showed a remote
> >controlled model jet that went 200mph. That would be a hoot.
>
> You'd have to have some good batteries, and a good antenna on the
> controller.
>

Well, at $6000, I would certainly hope so. And also a very light finger
on the stick.

Engineer

On 4 Feb 2004 18:06:16 -0800, josesoplar@aol.com (jose soplar) wrote:

>herr_stormtruppen_al_franken@yahoo.de (Adolph Al Franken - Brown Shirt Left Wing Fascist) wrote in message news:<68d92f02.0402041150.1f164919@posting.google.com>...
>> > "Arnold Wolfcaste" wrote
>> > > Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War
>> > > and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War.
>> > >
>> > > Denouncing America with 'Hanoi' Jane: Although Wesley Clark and others
>> > > have attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski
>> > > bum, Kerry is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays
>> > > himself as.
>> > > He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme
>> > > appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted
>> > > with the likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon
>> > > Johnson's radical former attorney general.
>>
>>
>> Kerry also sold out MIAs and POWs when "normalizing" realtions with
>> Vietnam. Kerry got his 20 peiecs of silver along with McCain but they
>> did nothing to help POWs or MIAs.
>
>Kerry is a self serving liberal piece of shit who cancelled
>out his four months duty in Vietnam when he came home and
>marched with Hanoi Jane, spit on Vietnam veterans and tossed
>his medals over the wall. How many American kids did his
>support for the Vietnam Communists kill? The SOB hasn't
>changed one bit since his youthful days of treason. As a US
>Senator, Kerry has voted against every bill to support
>America's military and every bill to support America's
>intelligence assets. This uncharismatic, dull, Commie, rich
>prick from Massachusetts has the hubris to run for the
>presidency and spread lies on the President.

If he does get the nomination, we have to make it a point to write
all newspaper editors to that fact. I can tolerate all most any as
President but electing Kerry will be worse than one thousand Clintons.