Another Wannabe Exposed

"A Voice Of Reason" wrote in message
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> An ex-Vietnam vet (possibly) claimed he was a minister.

Give it up dino. You posed as a minister; even doing prison ministry.

Voice of Reason? It is to laugh.

--
Dave
(The Other)

Dean Shultis, you really are scum of the lowest order. And I think
most people will see that immediately.

Your out-of-context snips and creative editing and misinformation -
lies - show you to be a person of no ethical or moral standards at
all.

For the rest of you, these carefully selected clips are all imported
from soc.sex.general, a discussion group for all things relating to
intimacy.


On 7 Sep 2003 07:36:11 -0700, A Voice Of Reason
wrote:


>At the time he was claiming to be a man of God, he was saying that he was having
>anal sex with his significant other:

How terrible that my girlfriend at the time and I enjoyed our sex
life.


>In a discussion about oral sex, Lee discusses the difference of whether a woman
>should shave or not:
>
>"Sometimes it's nice just because it's *different*. Variety and
>experimentation are important."


Wow, that's horrible. Discussing variety and experimentation, of all
things!


>When someone asked about having sex with disabled persons, Lee responded with
>much personal experience:
>
>"Sure. It's great, just like sex with anyone else. It can present little
>challenges and sometimes takes some adjustment and imagination, but it can be
>wonderful."

My girlfriend at the time had a disability. So what? You obviously
think people with disabilities shouldn't enjoy a normal relationship.


>In a discussion about sexual fondling, Lee asserts:
>
>"My experience has been that when developing a new relationship, women very much
>appreciate me asking, "May I?" Some laugh and say of course, but most have said,
>"Thanks, I appreciate your asking."

Something wrong with that?


>Lee Parsons mentions how he is entertained by rough or violent sex:
>
>"They'd start sniping at each other slowly, then the battle would
>heat up until they were screaming. There even seemed to be some
>minor physical violence and throwing of objects. The next thing I
>know, they're on the bed banging away, with louder and louder
>exclamations and exhortations until a screaming simultaneous orgasm.
>
>"Then all was silent for 30-60 minutes, and the cycle would start
>over. At first I was pissed off at not being able to sleep, but
>after awhile it became entertaining."


Yeah, it was funny as hell listening to it. You had to wonder how the
folks ever stayed together (if they did).


>Are these things the action of a Godly man? If he admitted openly to doing
>these things while in God's ministry, what else was he not admitting to? Do you
>think he has mental problems? Actually, he mentioned seeking professional help
>by going to another city and paying by cash so there would be no record of his
>perverted activities:
>
>"I spend a lot of time in another city, and see a counselor there, too, and pay
>cash for that because it's cheap and they use a sliding scale for fees."

What part of "cash for that because its cheap" and "sliding scale"
don't you understand? There certainly are records.


Get a life, Dean Shultis of Wauchula, FL.

On 7 Sep 2003 07:36:11 -0700, A Voice Of Reason
wrote:

>An ex-Vietnam vet (possibly) claimed he was a minister. He has been posting
>recently to newsgroups as "Outgoing V. Incoming" and his name is Lee Parsons.
>
>Lee wrote:
>"am a minister"
>"many of us pastors"
>"Rev. Lee"
>"I've studied the history of organized religion for the last four Years"
>
>At the time he was claiming to be a man of God, he was saying that he was having
>____ sex with his significant other:
>
SNIP snip SNIP
>He was also enjoying porn movies, especially of men:
SNIP SNIP SNIP
>In a discussion about oral sex, Lee discusses the difference of whether a woman
>should shave or not:
>"Sometimes it's nice just because it's *different*. Variety and
>experimentation are important."
>When someone asked about having sex with disabled persons, Lee responded with
>much personal experience:
>"Sure. It's great, just like sex with anyone else. It can present little
>challenges and sometimes takes some adjustment and imagination, but it can be
>wonderful."
>In a discussion about sexual fondling, Lee asserts:
>"My experience has been that when developing a new relationship, women very much
>appreciate me asking, "May I?" Some laugh and say of course, but most have said,
>"Thanks, I appreciate your asking."
SNIP SNIP
******************* *********
I guess I am naive but I have no idea why you would so indulge
yourself as to bring the above topic into the Newsgroup, as it
has absolutely nothing to do with the military or the original
discussion pertain to Spec-4...
HOWEVER, having worked in the medical field for a little bit of
time, and known some people who had temporary and more permanent
disabilities, I would imagine that the response Mr. Parsons made
about being intimate with someone having a disability was rather
thoughtful.
Along with that, his comments about fondling, about asking his
partner as to what enhances the experience for them, was also
very thoughtful.
All in all, I have very little trouble with what Mr. Parson is
supposed to have posted on a completely different Newsgroup.
What he posted has very little to impinge upon the topics
supposedly discussed in the military newsgroup, and absolutely
nothing to do with the original discussion pertaining to the
Spec-4 messages.
His comments and thoughtful answers, even the one with a bit of
humor, do not diminish his standing.
UNFORTUNATELY, your standing, for indulging yourself in bringing
this up in an effort to tarnish someone who challenged a
statement made, certainly reduces your standing...
---Mac

On 7 Sep 2003 06:02:56 -0700, Exposingwannabes
wrote:


>Try looking at the US Government Printing Office list of official
>abbreviations... Yup... Right there it says... Sp/4 Specialist Fourth
>Class.




Why would you want to rely on the GPO for Army information? Because
you couldn't find it under the Army?
Sounds like you 'd go to the Bureau of Mines for tax information.

Mr. Thompson provided you with the citations complete with regulations
numbers and dates. Since you can't read well, have someone read them
to you.

Here it is again:
"Well, now. YOU may have called SP4's Specialist Fourth Class, but
the official designation was Specialist 4, commonly known as "Spec 4".
The rank structure created in 1955 under AR 615-15 created the grades
of Specialist 1st Class (E6), Specialist 2nd Class (E5) and Specialist
3rd Class (E4).

In 1958, the pay grades of E8 and E9 were added and the Specialist
grades were designated as follows:

Specialist 4 (E4) Spec 4
Specialist 5 (E5) Spec 5
Specialist 6 (E6) Spec 6
Specialist 7 (E7) Spec 7
Specialist 8 (E8) Spec 8
Specialist 9 (E9) Spec 9

The grades Spec 8 and 9 were never used extensively and were dropped
in 1965. In 1978 Spec 7 was discontinued and personnel holding that
grade were given a lateral promotion to Sergeant First Class. Finally,
the grades of Spec 5 and 6 were dropped in 1985.

I enlisted in the Army in July, 1961 and was a Spec 4, Spec 5, Staff
Sergeant, WO1, CW2, 2LT, 1LT and Captain and never heard of Spec 4's
being referred to as Specialist 4th Class. "

If you need help with the big words don't be ashamed to ask.


Time to get a life, Dean Shultis of Wauchula, FL.

On 7 Sep 2003 06:02:56 -0700, Exposingwannabes
wrote:

>Try looking at the US Government Printing Office list of official
>abbreviations... Yup... Right there it says... Sp/4 Specialist Fourth
>Class.
>
>I always wonder why folks like you stay in denial?
>
>WANNABE!


Here you are, Dean Shultis of Wauchula, FL, straight from the U.S.
Army's own website
https://www.perscom.army.mil/tagd/ti...sted_Ranks.htm


1958. Grades E8 and E9 were added and restructuring of titles changed
and was announced in DA Message 344303, June 1958. The specialist
insignia was also enlarged for male personnel. The insignia remained
the same size for female personnel. The new regulation, AR 670-1,
dated 28 September 1959, described the insignia as follows:

Sergeant Major E9. Three chevrons above three arcs with a five pointed
star between the chevrons and arcs.

Specialist Nine E9. Three arcs above the eagle device and two chevrons
below.

First Sergeant E8. Three chevrons above three arcs with a lozenge
between the chevrons and arcs.

Master Sergeant E8. Three chevrons above three arcs.

Specialist Eight E8. Three arcs above the eagle device and one chevron
below.

Platoon Sgt or Sergeant First Class E7. Three chevrons above two arcs.

Specialist Seven E7. Three arcs above the eagle device.

Staff Sergeant E6. Three chevrons above one arc.

Specialist Six E6. Two arcs above the eagle device.

Sergeant E5. Three chevrons.

Specialist Five E5. One arc above the eagle device.

Corporal E4. Two chevrons.

Specialist Four E4. Eagle device only.

Private First Class. One chevron.


Specialists were authorized to continue to wear the smaller insignia.
The chevrons formerly authorized for E5, E6 and E7 were authorized for
continued wear until the individual was promoted or demoted. They also
continued to use the previous title.

1965. The Specialist Eight and Specialist Nine grades were
discontinued.

1967. Subdued black metal insignia was authorized for wear on the
collar of the work uniforms by DA Message 292128Z, December 1967.

1968. A new insignia was authorized by DA Message 865848, 28 May 1968,
for Sergeants Majors assigned at the principal NCO of battalion and
higher. This insignia was the same as the Sergeant Major insignia
except the star was small and a wreath was placed around the star.



1968. The insignia consisting of a single chevron, which was
previously authorized for private first class, was authorized for
Privates E2. A new insignia was authorized for Private First Class,
which consisted of one chevron above one arc per DA Message 868848, 28
May 1968.

>Subject: Re: Another Wannabe Exposed
>From: Exposingwannabes Exposingwannabes_member@newsguy.com
>Date: 9/7/2003 8:02 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>

>"Specialist Fourth Class" was officially used by the US Army

> and was universally spoken as such by all soldiers.

It is to larf! You num-nutted fucker did you ever get out of the city limits
of Saigon?

>You are a wannabe!
>

I don't think so dickhead. He speaks the language, you don't.

Bill Clarke

In article <%ky6b.49141$nf3.47422@fed1read07>, Dave Thompson says...
>
>
>Well, now. YOU may have called SP4's Specialist Fourth Class, but the
>official designation was Specialist 4, commonly known as "Spec 4". The rank
>structure created in 1955 under AR 615-15 created the grades of Specialist
>1st Class (E6), Specialist 2nd Class (E5) and Specialist 3rd Class (E4).
>
>In 1958, the pay grades of E8 and E9 were added and the Specialist grades
>were designated as follows:
>
>Specialist 4 (E4) Spec 4
>Specialist 5 (E5) Spec 5
>Specialist 6 (E6) Spec 6
>Specialist 7 (E7) Spec 7
>Specialist 8 (E8) Spec 8
>Specialist 9 (E9) Spec 9
>
>The grades Spec 8 and 9 were never used extensively and were dropped in
>1965. In 1978 Spec 7 was discontinued and personnel holding that grade were
>given a lateral promotion to Sergeant First Class. Finally, the grades of
>Spec 5 and 6 were dropped in 1985.
>
>I enlisted in the Army in July, 1961 and was a Spec 4, Spec 5, Staff
>Sergeant, WO1, CW2, 2LT, 1LT and Captain and never heard of Spec 4's being
>referred to as Specialist 4th Class.
>
>I could be mistaken, but I doubt it.
>
>--
>Dave
>(The Other)

I didn't call Sp/4s, Specialist Fourth Class - the US Army did. It is written
on my official US Army documents. You may want to do a search on your computer
for Specialist Fourth Class and see how many thousands of hits you will get.
While I have no doubt that the US Army was confused about many of its policies,
anyone who was in the US Army would know that Specialist Fourth Class was indeed
widely used as an official designation for the Sp/4 rank, and for a soldier who
pretends to know every damn thing that there is to know about the US Army to say
otherwise would have to be a wannabe or a mentally impaired individual.

"Exposingwannabes" wrote in message
news:bjf841030fq@drn.newsguy.com...
>
> I didn't call Sp/4s, Specialist Fourth Class - the US Army did. It is
written
> on my official US Army documents. You may want to do a search on your
computer
> for Specialist Fourth Class and see how many thousands of hits you will
get.
> While I have no doubt that the US Army was confused about many of its
policies,
> anyone who was in the US Army would know that Specialist Fourth Class was
indeed
> widely used as an official designation for the Sp/4 rank, and for a
soldier who
> pretends to know every damn thing that there is to know about the US Army
to say
> otherwise would have to be a wannabe or a mentally impaired individual.
>

I'll give you one shot because you just aren't worth any more effort.

Sure, "Specialist Fourth Class" will return gobs of hits on the internet.
The trouble is none of them are Official U.S. Army sites. They are personal
narratives and such. Even those at VA Cemetery and National Guard sites
have clearly been written by family, not the Army.

I am looking at my DA Form 20 and in Block 33 it shows the following: SP4E-4
22 MAR 92, O#27, HQ 231 TC (FC), 1962. The actual orders for promotion to
SP4 and SP5 clearly say Specialist 4 and Specialist 5. They are pretty much
classless.

This whole thread just smacks of a typical Dino box canyon. You made an
innocuous error or assumption and by the time you realize your error you are
desperate to blame anything or anyone else.

--
Dave
(The Other)

In article , Dave Thompson says...
>
>This whole thread just smacks of a typical Dino box canyon. You made an
>innocuous error or assumption and by the time you realize your error you are
>desperate to blame anything or anyone else.
>
>--
>Dave
>(The Other)

I did not make an error. Specialist Fourth Class was universally used and
continues to be universally used. Check your search engines. Virtually every
military website uses Specialist Fourth Class for Sp/4. While some almost
unknown military reg may state otherwise, Specialist Fourth Class is widely used
by virtually all US Army personnel. You purposely ignored the US Government
website that showed that Sp/4 was an official abbreviation for Specialist
Fourth Class. You've ignored voluminous evidence proving that I am right while
you find some obscure US Army reg that means absolutely nothing in the real
world.
Lee Parsons (aka Outgoing V. Incoming) made fun of a real Vietnam vet because he
said he was a Specialist Fourth Class. Lee Parsons is a wannabe. If you wish
to stand behind wannabes, that is your choice.

"Exposingwannabes" wrote in message
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> In article , Dave Thompson says...
> >
> >This whole thread just smacks of a typical Dino box canyon. You made an
> >innocuous error or assumption and by the time you realize your error you
are
> >desperate to blame anything or anyone else.
> >
> >--
> >Dave
> >(The Other)
>
> I did not make an error. Specialist Fourth Class was universally used and
> continues to be universally used. Check your search engines. Virtually
every
> military website uses Specialist Fourth Class for Sp/4. While some almost
> unknown military reg may state otherwise, Specialist Fourth Class is
widely used
> by virtually all US Army personnel. You purposely ignored the US
Government
> website that showed that Sp/4 was an official abbreviation for Specialist
> Fourth Class. You've ignored voluminous evidence proving that I am right
while
> you find some obscure US Army reg that means absolutely nothing in the
real
> world.
> Lee Parsons (aka Outgoing V. Incoming) made fun of a real Vietnam vet
because he
> said he was a Specialist Fourth Class. Lee Parsons is a wannabe. If you
wish
> to stand behind wannabes, that is your choice.

The Specialist Eight and Specialist Nine grades were discontinued in 1965.
In 1978 Specialist Seven was discontinued. The grades specialist five and
specialist six were discontinued effective 1 October 1985. Therefore, with
only one specialist grade remaining, the Army officially made it
"Specialist." Today, an E-4 is either a Corporal (CPL) or Specialist (SPC).
There are no Specialist Fours (SP4) in the U.S. Army!