How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!

thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom) wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 0846 -0600, "Nigel Brooks²°°4©"
> wrote:
>
>>"Thom" wrote in message
>>news:40184c6f.9323589@news.melbpc.org.au...
>>
>>> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there.
>>
>>How does that appear?
>>
>>There has never been any evidence that Colin Powell was aware of what
>>happened in My Lai prior to the Army beginning it's investigation. Perhaps
>>you can name a source for this particular allegation.
>
>I don't disagree with that point of view. and the whole thing is
>cloudy in that respect but I can remember his name popping up during
>the investigation.
>
>My Lai was a terrible thing and I don't condone it but I understand
>how war makes you crazy and people on all sides do terrible things
>sometimes.
>
>The problem is that commanders at various levels tend to cover their
>butts when its not the right thing to do.
>
>As far as references, put
>Powell*my lai
>into google (just copy and paste it as it is) and you get 13,000
>references including one that says int he header that Powell ordered
>the action.

Here's a fact for you. Powell wasn't even in Vietnam when My Lai happened.
He didn't arrive until afterwards. I don't doubt some yahoo said that he
ordered the action. That, however, is a lie. Plain and simple.

Doug

>Cheers
>THOM
>>
>>Nigel Brooks
>>
>>
>

thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom) wrote:
>On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 0846 -0600, "Nigel Brooks²°°4©"
> wrote:
>
>>"Thom" wrote in message
>>news:40184c6f.9323589@news.melbpc.org.au...
>>
>>> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there.
>>
>>How does that appear?
>>
>>There has never been any evidence that Colin Powell was aware of what
>>happened in My Lai prior to the Army beginning it's investigation. Perhaps
>>you can name a source for this particular allegation.
>
>I don't disagree with that point of view. and the whole thing is
>cloudy in that respect but I can remember his name popping up during
>the investigation.
>
>My Lai was a terrible thing and I don't condone it but I understand
>how war makes you crazy and people on all sides do terrible things
>sometimes.
>
>The problem is that commanders at various levels tend to cover their
>butts when its not the right thing to do.
>
>As far as references, put
>Powell*my lai
>into google (just copy and paste it as it is) and you get 13,000
>references including one that says int he header that Powell ordered
>the action.

Here's a fact for you. Powell wasn't even in Vietnam when My Lai happened.
He didn't arrive until afterwards. I don't doubt some yahoo said that he
ordered the action. That, however, is a lie. Plain and simple.

Doug

>Cheers
>THOM
>>
>>Nigel Brooks
>>
>>
>

"Thom" wrote in message >
> I disagree. I put it at Oct 24, 1955 when Ike and Nixon refused to
> have free elections in Viet Nam.

Nixon? Nixon had fuck all to do with it. He was doing well to get invited
to lunch in the White House.


> >
> >And Kerry did not say that all Vietnam vet are baby killers. He said
there
> >was wide spread astrocities committed with the generals not doing
anything
> >to stop it. Among those war criminals are Bob Kerry the senator from
> >nebraka, Colin Power the current secreatary of state.

A close reading of that paragraph speaks for itself.

>
> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there. I have a
> certain tolerance for soldiers of all countries going nuts in war and
> doing some shit things. I don't condone but I understand what
> happens.

I was one of those soldiers, and in my opinion, no matter how well you
"understand what happens." it was a heinous crime and deserving of the full
measure of the law.

Your stupid comments re Mr. Powell are noted. And erased.

ted
>
> THOM
> >
> >
>

"Thom" wrote in message >
> I disagree. I put it at Oct 24, 1955 when Ike and Nixon refused to
> have free elections in Viet Nam.

Nixon? Nixon had fuck all to do with it. He was doing well to get invited
to lunch in the White House.


> >
> >And Kerry did not say that all Vietnam vet are baby killers. He said
there
> >was wide spread astrocities committed with the generals not doing
anything
> >to stop it. Among those war criminals are Bob Kerry the senator from
> >nebraka, Colin Power the current secreatary of state.

A close reading of that paragraph speaks for itself.

>
> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there. I have a
> certain tolerance for soldiers of all countries going nuts in war and
> doing some shit things. I don't condone but I understand what
> happens.

I was one of those soldiers, and in my opinion, no matter how well you
"understand what happens." it was a heinous crime and deserving of the full
measure of the law.

Your stupid comments re Mr. Powell are noted. And erased.

ted
>
> THOM
> >
> >
>

"JASON A. KAATZ" wrote in message
news:3hgSb.283024$0P1.64683@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Powell I believe was the Americal ops officer ! Possibly the Btn Ops
officer
> that Calley was in.

Kaatz, you are sort of fun when you soar into your usual patented orbit of
the eternal.

It is when you try to make sense that you are embarrassing. Check the
chronology, and Powell's duty assignment.

ted
>
>
> "Rita" wrote in message
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> >
> > "FatmanE" wrote in message
> > news:20040129094230.17204.00001048@mb-m03.aol.com...
> > > >Subject: Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam
War!
> > > >Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - H
> > > >From: "Nigel Brooks²°°4©" nbrooks@msn.com
> > > >Date: 1/29/2004 8:12 AM Central Standard Time
> > > >Message-id:
> > > >
> > > >"Thom" wrote in message
> > > >news:40184c6f.9323589@news.melbpc.org.au...
> > > >
> > > >> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >How does that appear?
> > > >
> > > >There has never been any evidence that Colin Powell was aware of
> > > >what happened in My Lai prior to the Army beginning it's
investigation.
> > > >Perhaps you can name a source for this particular allegation.
> > > >
> > > >Nigel Brooks
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Save your breath Nigel. This is the same peckerhead that told me I'd
> > smoked
> > > too much dope while dodging the Vietnam War. He went on to tell me
> > William
> > > Duiker was a right wing fanatic so Thom couldn't believe Ho was a
commie
> > in
> > > 1920 just because Duiker says so.
> > >
> > > Steve Denney blast Thom's ass over it.
> > >
> > > Thom is probably as goofy as our friend A. Marsh but not as much fun.
> >
> > Are you still going at it with Mary Kate and Ashley in the newsgroup of
> > quicksand?
> >
> > Rita, who is reading about conspiracies on the possible "murder" of L.
Ron
> > Hubbard, and if you think the JFK fanatics are something...
> >
> >
>
>

"JASON A. KAATZ" wrote in message
news:3hgSb.283024$0P1.64683@twister.nyc.rr.com...
> Powell I believe was the Americal ops officer ! Possibly the Btn Ops
officer
> that Calley was in.

Kaatz, you are sort of fun when you soar into your usual patented orbit of
the eternal.

It is when you try to make sense that you are embarrassing. Check the
chronology, and Powell's duty assignment.

ted
>
>
> "Rita" wrote in message
> news:bvbr80$f7s$0@pita.alt.net...
> >
> > "FatmanE" wrote in message
> > news:20040129094230.17204.00001048@mb-m03.aol.com...
> > > >Subject: Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam
War!
> > > >Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - H
> > > >From: "Nigel Brooks²°°4©" nbrooks@msn.com
> > > >Date: 1/29/2004 8:12 AM Central Standard Time
> > > >Message-id:
> > > >
> > > >"Thom" wrote in message
> > > >news:40184c6f.9323589@news.melbpc.org.au...
> > > >
> > > >> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >How does that appear?
> > > >
> > > >There has never been any evidence that Colin Powell was aware of
> > > >what happened in My Lai prior to the Army beginning it's
investigation.
> > > >Perhaps you can name a source for this particular allegation.
> > > >
> > > >Nigel Brooks
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Save your breath Nigel. This is the same peckerhead that told me I'd
> > smoked
> > > too much dope while dodging the Vietnam War. He went on to tell me
> > William
> > > Duiker was a right wing fanatic so Thom couldn't believe Ho was a
commie
> > in
> > > 1920 just because Duiker says so.
> > >
> > > Steve Denney blast Thom's ass over it.
> > >
> > > Thom is probably as goofy as our friend A. Marsh but not as much fun.
> >
> > Are you still going at it with Mary Kate and Ashley in the newsgroup of
> > quicksand?
> >
> > Rita, who is reading about conspiracies on the possible "murder" of L.
Ron
> > Hubbard, and if you think the JFK fanatics are something...
> >
> >
>
>

>Subject: Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War!
>Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - H
>From: Doug Reese dreese@erols.com
>Date: 1/29/2004 8:23 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <4019c03c$0$18397$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>
>
>thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom) wrote:
>>On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 0846 -0600, "Nigel Brooks²°°4©"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Thom" wrote in message
>>>news:40184c6f.9323589@news.melbpc.org.au...
>>>
>>>> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there.
>>>
>>>How does that appear?
>>>
>>>There has never been any evidence that Colin Powell was aware of what
>>>happened in My Lai prior to the Army beginning it's investigation. Perhaps
>>>you can name a source for this particular allegation.
>>
>>I don't disagree with that point of view. and the whole thing is
>>cloudy in that respect but I can remember his name popping up during
>>the investigation.
>>
>>My Lai was a terrible thing and I don't condone it but I understand
>>how war makes you crazy and people on all sides do terrible things
>>sometimes.
>>
>>The problem is that commanders at various levels tend to cover their
>>butts when its not the right thing to do.
>>
>>As far as references, put
>>Powell*my lai
>>into google (just copy and paste it as it is) and you get 13,000
>>references including one that says int he header that Powell ordered
>>the action.

>
>Here's a fact for you. Powell wasn't even in Vietnam when My Lai
>happened. He didn't arrive until afterwards. I don't doubt some yahoo
>said that he ordered the action. That, however, is a lie. Plain and simple.
>
>Doug
>

There is actually a website that really says that Powell did in fact give the
order, as confirmed by an "unnamed general". It that doesn't raise the red
flag what does?

I know this because a while back Anthony Marsh played the baby killer card over
in the jfk group and of course he ran to My Lai as they all seem to do. Nigel
Brooks was tearing Marsh a new one about My Lai when Marsh laid this
"reference" on us. And sure nuff, that is what the site says.

Nigel pointed out that any half assed investigator would know that Powell was
in the U.S. going to the Command and General Staff (I think) school at the time
of My Lai and couldn't have possibly given the order. I doubt that this fact
did any good to change any of these fool's minds.

But it confirmed my suspicions that you can find any thing on the web.

Bill Clarke

>Subject: Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War!
>Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - H
>From: Doug Reese dreese@erols.com
>Date: 1/29/2004 8:23 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <4019c03c$0$18397$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>
>
>thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom) wrote:
>>On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 0846 -0600, "Nigel Brooks²°°4©"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Thom" wrote in message
>>>news:40184c6f.9323589@news.melbpc.org.au...
>>>
>>>> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there.
>>>
>>>How does that appear?
>>>
>>>There has never been any evidence that Colin Powell was aware of what
>>>happened in My Lai prior to the Army beginning it's investigation. Perhaps
>>>you can name a source for this particular allegation.
>>
>>I don't disagree with that point of view. and the whole thing is
>>cloudy in that respect but I can remember his name popping up during
>>the investigation.
>>
>>My Lai was a terrible thing and I don't condone it but I understand
>>how war makes you crazy and people on all sides do terrible things
>>sometimes.
>>
>>The problem is that commanders at various levels tend to cover their
>>butts when its not the right thing to do.
>>
>>As far as references, put
>>Powell*my lai
>>into google (just copy and paste it as it is) and you get 13,000
>>references including one that says int he header that Powell ordered
>>the action.

>
>Here's a fact for you. Powell wasn't even in Vietnam when My Lai
>happened. He didn't arrive until afterwards. I don't doubt some yahoo
>said that he ordered the action. That, however, is a lie. Plain and simple.
>
>Doug
>

There is actually a website that really says that Powell did in fact give the
order, as confirmed by an "unnamed general". It that doesn't raise the red
flag what does?

I know this because a while back Anthony Marsh played the baby killer card over
in the jfk group and of course he ran to My Lai as they all seem to do. Nigel
Brooks was tearing Marsh a new one about My Lai when Marsh laid this
"reference" on us. And sure nuff, that is what the site says.

Nigel pointed out that any half assed investigator would know that Powell was
in the U.S. going to the Command and General Staff (I think) school at the time
of My Lai and couldn't have possibly given the order. I doubt that this fact
did any good to change any of these fool's minds.

But it confirmed my suspicions that you can find any thing on the web.

Bill Clarke

"Doug Reese" wrote in message
news:4019c03c$0$18397$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom) wrote:
> >On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 0846 -0600, "Nigel Brooks²°°4©"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>"Thom" wrote in message
> >>news:40184c6f.9323589@news.melbpc.org.au...
> >>
> >>> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there.
> >>
> >>How does that appear?
> >>
> >>There has never been any evidence that Colin Powell was aware of what
> >>happened in My Lai prior to the Army beginning it's investigation.
Perhaps
> >>you can name a source for this particular allegation.
> >
> >I don't disagree with that point of view. and the whole thing is
> >cloudy in that respect but I can remember his name popping up during
> >the investigation.
> >
> >My Lai was a terrible thing and I don't condone it but I understand
> >how war makes you crazy and people on all sides do terrible things
> >sometimes.
> >
> >The problem is that commanders at various levels tend to cover their
> >butts when its not the right thing to do.
> >
> >As far as references, put
> >Powell*my lai
> >into google (just copy and paste it as it is) and you get 13,000
> >references including one that says int he header that Powell ordered
> >the action.
>
> Here's a fact for you. Powell wasn't even in Vietnam when My Lai happened.
> He didn't arrive until afterwards. I don't doubt some yahoo said that he
> ordered the action. That, however, is a lie. Plain and simple.
>
> Doug


Actually Doug, I recall that a "Yahoo" over on the JFK Conspiracy group
posted something about Powell being in on the planning of the My Lai
operation. I pointed out to him that Powell was (1) not in Vietnam at the
time, (2) was at Command and General Staff School during March 68, and (3)
was not in the chain of command for the planning of the operation. His
response was the usual - that he was pointing out someone else had made
those allegations. It's a pity that libel laws don't allow the libeled to
hunt down the poster of the allegations and string them up by the balls (or
nipples as the case may be)
--
Nigel Brooks

"Doug Reese" wrote in message
news:4019c03c$0$18397$61fed72c@news.rcn.com...
> thomandpam@yahoo.com.au (Thom) wrote:
> >On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 0846 -0600, "Nigel Brooks²°°4©"
> > wrote:
> >
> >>"Thom" wrote in message
> >>news:40184c6f.9323589@news.melbpc.org.au...
> >>
> >>> It appears that Powell covered Mai Lai up but wasn't there.
> >>
> >>How does that appear?
> >>
> >>There has never been any evidence that Colin Powell was aware of what
> >>happened in My Lai prior to the Army beginning it's investigation.
Perhaps
> >>you can name a source for this particular allegation.
> >
> >I don't disagree with that point of view. and the whole thing is
> >cloudy in that respect but I can remember his name popping up during
> >the investigation.
> >
> >My Lai was a terrible thing and I don't condone it but I understand
> >how war makes you crazy and people on all sides do terrible things
> >sometimes.
> >
> >The problem is that commanders at various levels tend to cover their
> >butts when its not the right thing to do.
> >
> >As far as references, put
> >Powell*my lai
> >into google (just copy and paste it as it is) and you get 13,000
> >references including one that says int he header that Powell ordered
> >the action.
>
> Here's a fact for you. Powell wasn't even in Vietnam when My Lai happened.
> He didn't arrive until afterwards. I don't doubt some yahoo said that he
> ordered the action. That, however, is a lie. Plain and simple.
>
> Doug


Actually Doug, I recall that a "Yahoo" over on the JFK Conspiracy group
posted something about Powell being in on the planning of the My Lai
operation. I pointed out to him that Powell was (1) not in Vietnam at the
time, (2) was at Command and General Staff School during March 68, and (3)
was not in the chain of command for the planning of the operation. His
response was the usual - that he was pointing out someone else had made
those allegations. It's a pity that libel laws don't allow the libeled to
hunt down the poster of the allegations and string them up by the balls (or
nipples as the case may be)
--
Nigel Brooks