Kerry Signed Up With Jane Fonda's "Fu*k the Army" Tour To Undermine U.S. Troops

COL RSJ wrote:

> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:58:31 -0600, MHirtes
> wrote:
>
>
>>In article <1032512og6oo3e6@corp.supernews.com>,
>>"George Z. Bush" wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"MHirtes" wrote in message
>>>news:htes-ECBD66.11335516022004@news.central.cox.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>-- Please prove that neo-Dachau Guantanamo doesn't exist.
>>>
>>>>Come on, you LOON. Please try to debunk me on ANY of these points.
>>>
>>>I'm not into debunking at the moment, but I would appreciate it if you would
>>>define "neo-Dachau" please? This is the first time I've heard Guantanamo
>>>described that way and I don't know what it means.
>>>
>>>George Z.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I guess you hadn't noticed the FACT that there's not only a
>>concentration camp, but they're also making "expansions" to also inclue
>>crematoriums.
>>
>>Gee, why do they need crematoriums for, hmmmmmmmmmm?
>
>
> Mental health help is available in your area now. Get it.
>
Hospitals have crematoriums. They had to put them in instead of
throwing aborted fetuses in the dumpster.
LZ
>
>
>
> --
>
> "Conan, what is best in life?''
>
> ''To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.''
>

Ken wrote:
>
> On 17 Feb 2004 08:53:36 -0800, eemoise@clemson.edu (Ed Moise) wrote:
>
> > to give Fonda and Kerry credit for all of the
> >Americans who died in Vietnam from the beginning of 1970 onward (which
> >was long before Kerry was playing any significant role in the anti-war
> >movement), that would be less than 10,000.
> >
> >Ed Moise
>
> Which is one hell of alot more that the 500+ that died in Iraq that
> all you Liberial Democrats are screaming about.

Ed Moise is a liberal Democrat?

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 0758 -0600, COL RSJ wrote:

>>I guess you hadn't noticed the FACT that there's not only a
>>concentration camp, but they're also making "expansions" to also inclue
>>crematoriums.
>>
>>Gee, why do they need crematoriums for, hmmmmmmmmmm?
>
>Mental health help is available in your area now. Get it.

I see you've met MHirtes. Don't worry: He just THINKS he's
contagious.
--
After Kerry returned from Vietnam he became an antiwar
activist. But was he really? In 1972 he threw his
medals away to protest the war. Years later it turned
out that he had thrown someone ELSE'S medals away and
kept his.

Ask yourself this: Would Patricia Ireland burn someone
else's bra? Then doesn't this make Kerry a fraud?

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:55:05 GMT, Richard Rongstad
wrote:

>Ken wrote:
>>
>> On 17 Feb 2004 08:53:36 -0800, eemoise@clemson.edu (Ed Moise) wrote:
>>
>> > to give Fonda and Kerry credit for all of the
>> >Americans who died in Vietnam from the beginning of 1970 onward (which
>> >was long before Kerry was playing any significant role in the anti-war
>> >movement), that would be less than 10,000.
>> >
>> >Ed Moise
>>
>> Which is one hell of alot more that the 500+ that died in Iraq that
>> all you Liberial Democrats are screaming about.
>
>Ed Moise is a liberal Democrat?


Ok, being a man, I'll have to admit I have no idea if he is or isn't,
while my typing isn't the best, let me correct:

" all "THE" liberal democrats are screaming"
in place of
" all "YOU" liberal democrats are screaming"

Hope that helps.
you'll notice I also spelled "Liberal" wrong, somehow an "i" got in
there, big fingers, small keyboard, who knows.

Ken
11Bravo

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 1556 -0500, Ken
wrote:

>Ok, being a man, I'll have to admit I have no idea if he is or isn't,
>while my typing isn't the best, let me correct:
>
>" all "THE" liberal democrats are screaming"
>in place of
>" all "YOU" liberal democrats are screaming"
>
>Hope that helps.

Continuing to be a man, you'd admit that it is "SOME" liberal
democrats are screaming. Better yet, substitute the names of those
screaming.

It isn't a black-and-white world, even when we want it to be.

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 1702 -0500, Lee wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 1556 -0500, Ken
>wrote:
>
>>Ok, being a man, I'll have to admit I have no idea if he is or isn't,
>>while my typing isn't the best, let me correct:
>>
>>" all "THE" liberal democrats are screaming"
>>in place of
>>" all "YOU" liberal democrats are screaming"
>>
>>Hope that helps.
>
>Continuing to be a man, you'd admit that it is "SOME" liberal
>democrats are screaming. Better yet, substitute the names of those
>screaming.
>
>It isn't a black-and-white world, even when we want it to be.
>
I'm cool with that, but let us get closer to the truth, "a Majority of
Liberal Democrats are screaming."
And Lee you're right, there not many things Black / White, and most
questions can't be answered by a simple Yes / No.

But, what we're talking in Politics here and Black, White, Yes, and
No, along with reality seen to be forgotten, getting the parties point
comes first, the truth be damned.


Ken
11Bravo

On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 1014 -0700, Lone Haranguer
wrote:

>COL RSJ wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Feb 2004 13:58:31 -0600, MHirtes
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <1032512og6oo3e6@corp.supernews.com>,
>>>"George Z. Bush" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"MHirtes" wrote in message
>>>>news:htes-ECBD66.11335516022004@news.central.cox.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>-- Please prove that neo-Dachau Guantanamo doesn't exist.
>>>>
>>>>>Come on, you LOON. Please try to debunk me on ANY of these points.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not into debunking at the moment, but I would appreciate it if you would
>>>>define "neo-Dachau" please? This is the first time I've heard Guantanamo
>>>>described that way and I don't know what it means.
>>>>
>>>>George Z.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I guess you hadn't noticed the FACT that there's not only a
>>>concentration camp, but they're also making "expansions" to also inclue
>>>crematoriums.
>>>
>>>Gee, why do they need crematoriums for, hmmmmmmmmmm?
>>
>>
>> Mental health help is available in your area now. Get it.
>>
>Hospitals have crematoriums. They had to put them in instead of
>throwing aborted fetuses in the dumpster.
>LZ

Now thats gross.


>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> "Conan, what is best in life?''
>>
>> ''To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.''
>>



--

"Conan, what is best in life?''

''To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.''

hanoijanekerry@yahoo.ca (Hanoi Jane Kerry) wrote in message news:<4638d76a.0402141625.7a77a9d@posting.google.com>...
> The real John Kerry. He and Fonda saved North Vietnam's bacon - the
> N. Vietnamese said after the war they were ready to conditionally
> surrender but decided to keep fighting thanks to their allies in
> America - Fonda and Kerry. 20,000 more American boys died thanks to
> Kerry & Fonda's efforts which dragged out the war.
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...4/130318.shtml
>
> Saturday, Feb. 14, 2004 12:58 p.m. EST
> Kerry Teamed Up With Fonda's 'F*** the Army' Cast
>
> When Democratic presidential front-runner John Kerry teamed up with
> 'Hanoi' Jane Fonda and actor Donald Sutherland for a September 1970
> anti-Vietnam War protest at Valley Forge, Pa., he was joining the same
> cast that Fonda had assembled earlier that year for her "F*** the
> Army" tour ? a kind of reverse USO tour designed to undermine the
> morale of U.S. soldiers fighting in the jungles of Southeast Asia.
>
> On Friday, Kerry suggested that he had no idea how radical Fonda would
> eventually become, telling radio host Don Imus that he thought her
> decision to turn against her country by traveling to Hanoi 18 months
> after Valley Forge was "terrible."
>
> But by the time Kerry agreed to follow the anti-American actress and
> Sutherland onto the same stage 34 years ago, Fonda's anti-military
> road show was already well known to both soldiers stationed in Vietnam
> and those who had returned home.
>
> In "Winter Soldier: An Oral History of the Vietnam Veterans Against
> the War," author Richard Stacewicz notes that when Fonda and Kerry
> addressed the Valley Forge rally ? as depicted in the now infamous
> photo published by NewsMax on Monday ? Fonda's military-bashing
> credentials were already well-established.
>
> "Fonda was becoming very well known at that point for her support of
> the GI movement. She and Donald Sutherland had been going around to GI
> bases for a while with the FTA show ["F *** the Army," a spoof of USO
> shows that was performed just outside bases]," writes Stacewicz.
>
> Fonda's role as a kind of reverse Bob Hope is confirmed in the Vietnam
> veterans history "Stolen Valor," by B.G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley.
>
> "Fonda was involved in an organization called F.T.A., which we all
> knew stood for 'F--k the Army,'" Burkett, a Vietnam veteran himself,
> reports.
>
> Though both Fonda and Kerry are now both claiming their contact was
> minimal at Valley Forge and afterward, in fact, while the
> Massachusetts Democrat served as the VVAW's leading spokesman under
> the title "National Coordinator," Fonda was named the group's
> "Honorary National Coordinator," according to two histories of the
> VVAW, Andrew Hunt's "The Turning" and Gerald Nicosia's "Home to War."
>
> With her celebrity drawing power, Fonda became Kerry's leading
> fund-raiser at the VVAW, traveling the country to tout the group's
> mission to expose so-called U.S. war crimes in Vietnam.
>
> The effort culminated in the next Kerry-Fonda collaboration, the
> "Winter Soldier Investigation," which she financed and where Kerry and
> other members of the VVAW tried to elicit the most gruesome testimony
> possible from combat veterans. More than a few Winter Soldier
> witnesses later turned out to be complete impostors.
>
> Al Hubbard, VVAW's executive secretary, was also one of the principal
> organizers of the Winter Soldier event. His supposed combat heroism
> had earned him mythical status within the organization, writes author
> Hunt. He and Kerry would later go on to appear side-by side on NBC's
> "Meet the Press" to denounce the war.
>
> But as "Stolen Valor" author Burkett explained to the Wall Street
> Journal last month, his research showed that Hubbard had grossly
> inflated his combat credentials.
>
> "Hubbard claimed to be an Air Force pilot who was wounded in Vietnam.
> Truth: Hubbard was never a pilot, never an officer, never wounded and
> never assigned to Vietnam," said Burkett.
>
> Hubbard is also featured prominently in Kerry's 1971 book about the
> group's April 1971 Washington, D.C., protest, "The New Soldier," where
> he and Kerry appear in a photo together on the same stage as Ramsey
> Clark.
>
> In several calls last week to the Kerry campaign, NewsMax.com
> requested financial records from the Winter Soldier Investigation,
> including Kerry's tax returns from 1970 and expense records for the
> event, to determine to what extent ? if any ? he may have personally
> benefited from Fonda's largesse.
>
> The calls have not been returned.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...9/111136.shtml

Thursday, Feb. 19, 2004 11:10 AM EST
Vietnam POW: Hanoi Hilton Torturers Cited Kerry's Speech

A former Vietnam POW is alleging that his Hanoi captors specifically
cited Sen. John Kerry's 1971 anti-war testimony to Congress as they
brutally tortured him to get him to turn on his fellow GIs.

One-time Navy pilot Paul Galanti was shot down over North Vietnam in
1966 and spent seven years in the infamous Hanoi Hilton.

He told the Los Angeles Times on Tuesday that he learned of Kerry's
April 1971 testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee
while being tortured by his Hanoi Hilton guards.

According to the Times, "during torture sessions, [Galanti] said, his
captors cited the antiwar speeches as 'an example of why we should
cross over to [their] side.'"

In his account to the Senate, Kerry accused U.S. soldiers of routinely
committing rapes, beheadings, mutilations and all manner of atrocities
against the Vietnamese people.

Galanti told the Times that Kerry's decision to publicly allege that
U.S. soldiers were war criminals "jeopardize[d] those still in battle
or in the hands of the enemy."

Because he did, Galanti said, "John Kerry was a traitor to the men he
served with."

"The Viet Cong didn't think they had to win the war on the
battlefield," the ex-POW said, "because thanks to these protesters
they were going to win it on the streets of San Francisco and
Washington."

Although Galanti's fellow POW, Sen. John McCain, has been silent in
recent years about the damage Sen. Kerry caused as a leader of the
radical group Vietnam Veterans Against the War, in 1973 McCain told
U.S. News & World Report that throughout his imprisonment, his North
Vietnamese captors were "bombarding us with anti-war quotes from
people in high places back in Washington."

"This was the most effective propaganda they had to use against us,"
the Arizona Republican explained.

But Galanti is the first POW to say that his Hanoi Hilton guards
expressly invoked Sen. Kerry's words during their brutal torture
sessions.

In his comments to the Times, he accused said the Democratic
presidential front-runner of having blood on his hands, contending,
"The Vietnam memorial has thousands of additional names due to John
Kerry and others like him."

In a follow-up interview with Fox News Channel's John Gibson, Galanti
said he'll take his story directly to the American people if the press
fails to expose the truth about candidate Kerry.

"Let me tell you one thing, it looks like John Kerry is going to get
the nomination," he told Gibson. "If he does, I'm going to come out of
the woodwork, and there's a whole bunch of us [who feel] the same
way."

Enough of the multiple cut-and-pastings! You really DON'T need to post
it under a dozen different headers. People will think you really are
an idiot and not bother reading anything you post.

"OrionCA" wrote in message
news:6olv2017jdtakf4j6onhp3q7ll26602tj7@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:43:04 GMT, Richard Rongstad
> wrote:
>
> >
> >I would tell people that the story was a clever blend of fact and
> >fiction, and that Jane Fonda didn't really palm the notes with
> >POWs SSNs and turn them over to the camp commander - and then
> >these people would get real mad at me and curse me out in their
> >e-mail replies! - I explained that the POW themselves had repudiated
> >the story - and still people got mad at me! They wanted very badly
> >to justify their anger and hatred towards Jane Fonda, not considering
> >that justification is already recorded in the facts.
> >
> >I saw and heard POW Jerry Driscoll on national television repudiate
> >the story as bogus.
>
> If you can believe Bush was AWOL, we can believe the worst of Hanoi
> Jane. Frankly, we have a lot more evidence on our side than you do.
> --
> After Kerry returned from Vietnam he became an antiwar
> activist. But was he really? In 1972 he threw his
> medals away to protest the war. Years later it turned
> out that he had thrown someone ELSE'S medals away and
> kept his.
>
> Ask yourself this: Would Patricia Ireland burn someone
> else's bra? Then doesn't this make Kerry a fraud?

I don't know if he's a fraud, but I do know that he should sue the British
Sun "newspaper" for defamation of character...and sue them for billions!!