Just an observation...

[reconeil]

Initially wasn't going to chime-into the absurdity of it all. But, people like Gimpy & James being somehow OFFENDED over being name called,...is ABSOLUTELY ABSURD!

Both for years being the worst vile & vicious name-callers & character assassinators of any DARING to belittle or oppose their Democrat Religion gods on this site now being OFFENDED themselves,...is actually downright silly. Perfect example of that: "People living in glass houses..." quip.

Still and even though both Gimpy & James have bored-the-hell-out-of-me for years with their echoed Dem Mantra, maybe now they're really not being all that: "Silly" after all?

Me Thinks it typical of Democrat Hacks whom can no longer EXCUSE THE INEXCUSABLE (their historical norm) to use the Crocodile Tear Ploy and/or just another Standard Dem Diversion. Duped concentrating on small matters or trivia, and loose sight of The Big Picture (wallet also).

Besides, even Dem Hacks must realize by now that stupidly championing Democrat anti-America Political Supremacist rulers, lords & ladies, dictators, gods or whatever can no longer be excused,...and especially amongst Honorable Veterans.

Thus and in fairness to such now Disillusioned Dem Hacks, what else can they do other than what whimpishy doing now? Whatever,...don't be suckered by such duplicitous cry-babies.

Neil

[03Fox2/1]

As an outsider to all of this, more of an observer than anything else, I wish to respectfully submit my two cents worth, but only if you members of senior standing on this site, those that seem to have such a long history with each other and who seem to have so very much in common, yet such a great distance between you recently, allow me to speak on this subject.
Semper Fidelis

[DMZ-LT]

Please do. Have always respected your views. Maybe like Fred wrote we are so isolated, into our selves ,we can't get along with anyone. Ain't into personal attacks , on the web , on anyone let alone my brothers here.Think I need to turn this computer off and ride my Harley tomorrow

[Keith_Hixson]

Just be respectful even though you feel someone is wrong.

Keith

[03Fox2/1]

Thank you DMZ-LT and Keith, respect is what I'm about and that's why I want to say what I feel needs to be said, by an outsider like me. I have no agenda or hidden motives. Each of these men have valid grievances and each man may or may not have been offended, some more then others, but collectively I think these men are giving away something much more important than who's right and who's wrong. I do agree that some accusations require an apology, with explanation I'm sure, but never-the-less, a sincere apology for certain allegations that in hindsight, I'm sure soon as the words were written, the damage and mistake was obvious to all concerned. I am not taking sides, I only wish this "band of brothers" would consider the many long miles they have traveled together and the bond that we from VietNam carry, something that is sacred to me, something that must be protected from not only pretenders and deceivers and manipulators of history, but sometimes, even from ourselves. I have spent most of my life being a loner, both by design and by necessity. I know what it's like to stand your ground and have no one watch your back. It is with great sadness that I watch you gentlemen give away what I have longed for all my life. I internalize most of my sadness and survivors guilt. The fact that I suffer the demons and ghosts from my grunt days in VietNam has always been part of who I am, long before the official diagnosis or medical opinions. I neither expect or want professional help and I speak these words only to show you that I am aware of the honor and courage by those unknown men such as myself and that there are many of us, invisible to the world, that suffer in silence. We live vicariously through the very public actions and words of those such as these men on this site that are currently planning on leaving, for personal reasons, such as hurt feelings or offended honor. Gentlemen, there are those of us that feel you are running away from something much bigger than yourselves and I for one, wish you would back off of the personal attacks and speak more about others that can no longer speak for themselves. I know about disrespect and the need to leave a site where you feel you have been dishonored. I was disrespected on another site recently, by one of your most outspoken, opinionated, confrontational, self-centered and downright arrogant members that you claim as one of your own. His hard-on for the Marine Corps and his total and unbelievable ability for recalling each and every day he served in VietNam, has convinced me that he is neither a combat veteran nor a brother of mine. Despite this, my only response to him was to leave the site, which I immediately regretted. Just yesterday, I posted there again, determined not to let the actions of a wannabe, keep me from occasionally saying what I believe needs to be said. That's it for me. I have nothing but honorable intentions with this post and I really wish you guys would make up, privately or publicly, and get back to the business at hand. And please, too much politics isn't good for anyone. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I'm an American. My country, right or wrong, God Bless America !
Semper Fi

[reconeil]

WELL SAID,...and especially that: "My country, right or wrong, God Bless America !".

Plus, believe you're absolutely right-on-the-money or dead-on-target with your: "Too much politics isn't good for anyone". Such is Quite Despicably & daily proved so for ALL Americans (politicians, journalists & all other notable self/clique-serving zealots excluded), during these Truly Sad undermining and/or anti-America dictated days.

Still this actually is a: "Political Debate" forum, and everyone knows (or at least should know) that politics in general have much less; "Redeeming social value" for America overall than even pornography, anyway.

Additionally Pornography Industry produces Private Sector jobs & many billion$ for The Economy,...whereas Political Breed pretty-much dictate policies making it wiser for corporations moving millions of American Jobs abroad, and also politicians basically COST The U.S. Citizen/Taxpayer MANY, MANY, MANY BILLION$,...INSTEAD! Maybe Larry Flynt would make a much better president?

Whatever, Fox,...you do raise some points believing most all others would be interested knowing here? What is The Handle of poster having a: "Hard-on for The Marine Corp",...even though; "The Garry Owen Boys" (my alma mater) mocked Marines while landing in Hottest Beseiged LZ of the time and/or Khesan with: "You Marines might be The First to Go,...but 7th Cav is always Last to Stay"? Nothing personal.

Also and fairness to myself & friends, most in My Old Outfit pretty-much mockingly greeted any others met for the first time whom not Recon with,..."If You're not Recon - You're Shit", anyway. It was that old Brainwashed, Gung-Ho, Macho thing. Actually proved works well.

Regardless, what's the big secret as to whom: "The most outspoken, opinionated, confrontational, self-centered and downright arrogant" Veteran is? Shouldn't all others be told whom he is? Shouldn't same yokel at least be able to defend himself, if possible?

Neil

[03Fox2/1]

I understand that this thread is about politics and so this is the proper place for all such comments and opinions concerning our "elected officials". It just happens to be where this particular post appeared and where I wanted to offer my opinion about this post, not about politics. The intent of my post was to bring people together, not continue a feud or start a new one. I already regret my personal observations concerning my experience "under the gun" with one of your members because I can see that it has diluted my original purpose, to remind people of our shared past, not our present differences. The name is as meaningless to me as that man's words of anger, hostility and ridicule heaped upon both my service and the death of one of my platoon leaders in combat in December of 1968. I believe that when you dishonor the memory or sacrifice of someone that can no longer defend themselves, someone that fell in the line of duty, because that person wore a different uniform than yours, I believe if this is your position, then I believe that I and the men I fought with have nothing in common with you. We are definitely not brothers. I believe that it is an obligation of we survivors to uphold the honor and integrity of good men that died in battle and that this is more important than pushing ones personal vendetta against others. My stay around here is probably short, I read much and say little on these sites, for the obvious reasons. I do feel the need to speak up occasionally, but usually I keep it to myself, as I've learned that most people in cyber-world really don't care what's right or wrong, just who shouts the loudest.
Semper Fi

[Gimpy]

Originally Posted by 03Fox2/1

Thank you DMZ-LT and Keith, respect is what I'm about and that's why I want to say what I feel needs to be said, by an outsider like me. I have no agenda or hidden motives. Each of these men have valid grievances and each man may or may not have been offended, some more then others, but collectively I think these men are giving away something much more important than who's right and who's wrong. I do agree that some accusations require an apology, with explanation I'm sure, but never-the-less, a sincere apology for certain allegations that in hindsight, I'm sure soon as the words were written, the damage and mistake was obvious to all concerned. I am not taking sides, I only wish this "band of brothers" would consider the many long miles they have traveled together and the bond that we from VietNam carry, something that is sacred to me, something that must be protected from not only pretenders and deceivers and manipulators of history, but sometimes, even from ourselves. I have spent most of my life being a loner, both by design and by necessity. I know what it's like to stand your ground and have no one watch your back. It is with great sadness that I watch you gentlemen give away what I have longed for all my life. I internalize most of my sadness and survivors guilt. The fact that I suffer the demons and ghosts from my grunt days in VietNam has always been part of who I am, long before the official diagnosis or medical opinions. I neither expect or want professional help and I speak these words only to show you that I am aware of the honor and courage by those unknown men such as myself and that there are many of us, invisible to the world, that suffer in silence. We live vicariously through the very public actions and words of those such as these men on this site that are currently planning on leaving, for personal reasons, such as hurt feelings or offended honor. Gentlemen, there are those of us that feel you are running away from something much bigger than yourselves and I for one, wish you would back off of the personal attacks and speak more about others that can no longer speak for themselves. I know about disrespect and the need to leave a site where you feel you have been dishonored. I was disrespected on another site recently, by one of your most outspoken, opinionated, confrontational, self-centered and downright arrogant members that you claim as one of your own. His hard-on for the Marine Corps and his total and unbelievable ability for recalling each and every day he served in VietNam, has convinced me that he is neither a combat veteran nor a brother of mine. Despite this, my only response to him was to leave the site, which I immediately regretted. Just yesterday, I posted there again, determined not to let the actions of a wannabe, keep me from occasionally saying what I believe needs to be said. That's it for me. I have nothing but honorable intentions with this post and I really wish you guys would make up, privately or publicly, and get back to the business at hand. And please, too much politics isn't good for anyone. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican, I'm an American. My country, right or wrong, God Bless America !
Semper Fi

I sincerely appreciate your response and your obvious insight on this subject. I have read many of your posts on other sites and have come to respect your opinion tremendously.

It is a sad commentary that others who participate on this site do not have your abilities to filiter out the bullshit and hit the target dead on as you have.

I must state however that I don't share your optimisim in many of our so-called "brothers" abilities to overcome their self-delusionary bias, prejudice (racial and otherwise), hate and loathing of others to show much reason for me to try and communicate with them......as I stated earlier, I got better things to do than argue all the time with self-righteous hypocrites.

Case in point---see below:..............

Gimp

Originally Posted by SuperScout

... and recalling how gimpy missed his anger management class (now, what kind of weak-willed person, so totally lacking in self-discipline needs "anger management" classes?) and went off on me, since I was the nearest thing to an authority figure, and his inability to deal with authorities that don't agree with him. His limp-wristed excuse to me - and it was such a pathetic whine - sounded like his biochemistry was whacked out again. So if he gets biochemically off the track, his nararow-mindedness disallows anybody else who might suffer that same or worse condition. Typical liberal hyprocrite.

"Anger management" is just another liberal manifestation of demanding that somebody else is responsible for a weakling's inabililty, inaction, or ineptitude. Another 'entitlement class' is then created. The Nanny State expands, others' liberties contract, taxes have to be spent to pay for the nanny-demanders, while productive citizens are penalized. Welcome to the New America of the liberals/socialists.

[03Fox2/1]

Gimpy,
Thank you and mutual feelings back at you. Neither am I a fortunate son.
I understand the position you and some others find yourself in and the difficulties as presented, require a decisive and forgiving nature. God bless the peacemakers, for they shall inherit the earth... but let us not forget, in this world of hurt, it is the warrior, willing to fight and die, if necessary, for something bigger than himself, that keeps the home fires burning and safe. Most things in life that are easy, aren't worth fighting for and most things in life that need great effort to achieve, are worth fighting for. What you gentlemen on this site had... and still have in my opinion... is worth fighting for and someone has got to man up..... not because they're weak or because they're wrong..... but because sometimes the whole matters more than the individual pieces. Like I was taught in boot camp and reinforced in combat, we are a team that leaves no one behind.... we live and die together. The man to your right and your left, your squad, your platoon, your company, your battalion, your Corps or your Army or your ship, it matters not. You must believe in yourself and each other. That's why, although I survived my war, I am still connected to my buddies, both on and off the Wall. Like I have always said, hate the war, not the warrior.
Semper Fi my friend

[Gimpy]

I concur that there are many who participate on this site that I feel a deep and abiding brotherhood with and will forever treasure the good times I've had with them on this site and at "in person" functions at various locations over these past ten years or so.

But, the continued amount of hate and viciousness espoused by a few members (you only have to look at the post just above your last one and read the "quote" I posted from another member to thoroughly understand what I'm saying)...makes it nearly impossible to communicate on a level of civility which would allow mutual admiration and respect of one anothers opinion.

The vile, demeaning and always confrontational nature of these "individuals" along with their lack of interpersonal skills prevents me from having anything but contenpt for their behavior.

When you can get these certain "individuals"....to "man-up" and admit their wrongs...........maybe I'll reconsider my position. Because my friend....I HAVE "manned-up"...many times over these past years. Turn about is fair play, as my old grandpappy used to say!

Thanks again for your wisdom and your words.

Scouts out.

Gimp