US Health Care Program - with some twist

[Boats]

HC sent this to me - I found it interesting - you may want to read it as well


IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US (see bottom for the publisher -

A retired Constitutional lawyer has read the entire proposed healthcare bill.

Please take the time to read this and forward it as you see fit. Thanks

The Truth About the Health Care Bills - Michael Connelly, Ret. Constitutional Attorney

Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.

To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care, particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members of the medical profession.

The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out of business, and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats, and most of them will not be health care professionals. Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled by the government.

However, as scary as all of that is, it just scratches the surface. In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been contemplated If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been destroyed.

The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama Administration authority in a number of different areas over the lives of the American people, and the businesses they own.

The irony is that the Congress doesn't have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with! I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S. Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of Congress to regulate health care.

This legislation also provides for access, by the appointees of the Obama administration, of all of your personal healthcare direct violation of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the Constitution information, your personal financial information, and the information of your employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures. You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and 4th Amendments may provide..

If you decide not to have healthcare insurance, or if you have private insurance that is not deemed acceptable to the Health Choices Administrator appointed by Obama, there will be a tax imposed on you. It is called a tax instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment. However, that doesn't work because since there is nothing in the law that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is definitely depriving someone of property without the due process of law.

So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate so much, out of the original ten in the Bill of Rights, that are effectively nullified by this law It doesn't stop there though.

The 9th Amendment that provides: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people;

The 10th Amendment states: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Under the provisions of this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas that once were theirs to control.

I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the members of both houses of Congress to "be bound by oath or affirmation to support the Constitution." If I were a member of Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything like it, without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or affirmation. If I voted for it anyway, I would hope the American people would hold me accountable.

For those who might doubt the nature of this threat, I suggest they consult the source, the US Constitution, and Bill of Rights. There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.

Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton , Texas



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[1CAVCCO15MED]

He should have read faster. They didn't pass House bill 3200.

[BLUEHAWK]

No matter what they end up passing, it will be an unmitigated financial disaster for the entire nation, and (hopefully) also for the Democrat party who will have 100% squandered a rare majority in Congress... and permanently angered 75% of the electorate.

[1CAVCCO15MED]

If you notice the hullabaloo has died down quite a bit since the insurance companies have had their interests protected. They are going to clean up with all these new policies that are going to be coming their way so they have quieted down their minions. The health care bill is now a good idea or at least not a bad idea to them. The fact they had the money to pay for ads on tv at least every thirty minutes on all the networks and most of the cable channels and did this for months on end shows how much excess money they have made off the present health care system. So just think how much more buying power they will take away from the consumers with the new plan. The good news is a lot of people have been galvanized by the process and the campaign by the health care industy to change the bill into something they can make even more money off of is going to have some unintended consequences they may not like. Once again a third party,the Tea Baggers, is arising. But being urged on by that fruitcake Glen Beck will contribute to its demise. It is just a matter of time before he goes off into la la land and with that a lot of followers will be lost. The end result will be the voters of the Right will be split in the next few elections until it dies down and the Dems will keep their power. It can be said the level of rage is this country is very high but that doesn't matter in elections. All that matters is how many people are mad and that number is not as high as needed at this time, especially if the Right splits its vote. As long as third parties arise from the extremes of the left or right they will fail. There are just not enough nut cases to keep them going. The only way we will ever have a successful third party is if it arises from the middle or as I like to call them the people with common sense. These are the people who see through the bull shit and have been resigned for many years to either voting for the lesser evil or getting sick and tired of the excesses of one party and vote for the other just to upset the status quo. They will not be won over by media blitzes and demagoguery because they are against them on principle.

[darrels joy]

The media coverage of Tea Party protests is non-existant.

Michelle Malkin had a call for Tea Party people to come out to protest Reid in Vegas. The only coverage was one protester that got in the auditorium at UNLV.

People are still out protesting, writing letter & emails. "pink slipping" members of congress, etc.

I know the 2 Senators from Seattle will vote for whatever the leadership agrees on and will lie about how good it will be for the "people".

The only sign that our elected officials are hearing us is that so many are retiring or not running for reelection.

Harry Reid is going to have to rely on his union support in the next election. Obama is meeting with union leaders trying to convince them that it will be better for them to give up their expensive medical plans.

We still don't trust what the end result will be for active and retired military.

Votes at midnight Saturday and Christmas Eve don't help either.

Joy

[1CAVCCO15MED]

One of the more wierd things to come out during all this is dragging up Ronald Regan's old video against Medicare when he was a paid spokesman for the American Medical Association. Since Medicare has been in place we have had Presidents Johnson, Reagan, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama. I have to ask myself did all he predict happen? No. It was to me evidence of how far the health care special interests will go to defeat something. Or is Medicare next if they defeated the present bill? Did Reagan sell out when he became president? Or did he never believe Medicare would turn us into a socialist state? Where is the power of his convictions? If the Tea Baggers are against socialized medicine, why have they never said one word against Medicare? After all that is where this "hell" began.

YouTube- Ronald Reagan - Medicare Myth Of...

[BLUEHAWK]

Compared with the original Medicare legislation, this current monster truly IS socialistic, by any possible measure - and it is being done intentionally. Tragically, in a sense if the Bill were full out Socialistic Medicine it would work about 80% better than the outrageous deals that have been made with the health care industry and labor unions to pass "something".

The warnings, as I recall, made by Reagan and others were three-fold:

1. That Medicare would become the Socialist "camel's nose into the tent"

- That has turned out to be true.

2. That it would be impossible to control the costs and the required government investment to keep it afloat.

- That, too, has turned out to be true.

3. That it is "always better" to allow the "free market" to do these things.

- That, I believe, has at minimum come under extreme suspicion between then and now.

[1CAVCCO15MED]

Medicare is one of the few payers that have tried to cut down on health care costs. Medicare has something called DRGs. It is a price list for all the diagnoses in medicine. If you get this, your MD and hospital will get paid this much. Period. It doesn't matter how much trouble you have or how many procedures you have they only pay a certain amount. Every few years they cut how much they pay for DRGS. As far as the free enterprise system nobody fears it more than the insurance monopolies. As long as they are chartered state by state there will be no competition. When it was attempted for Medicare to bargain for the lowest prices on drugs, it was lobbied out of existance by the drug industry and their employees in the Senate and House. HMO's and insurance companies dictate which doctor you will see, You have no choice to keep your personal MD if they are not on the list of approved providers. I live in what is called the Tri cities area. Who you work for decides what physician you will see and what city of the three you will have to travel to to see them and what hospital you will go to. Add to that most of the insurances are now paying by DRGs now so there is no shopping around, no bargain hunting, no keeping your own doctor, not even going to the hospital in the city you live in in many cases. You have no choice. You could get your own insurance but you or none of you families had better ever had a chronic disease. You're on your own, sucker. Plus it is a lot easier to deny your claim or cut your coverage if you are not in a group. It is great if you never use it, however. And when is the last time any part of the health care economy ever had a sale? Every patient coming into any heath care institution is offered counseling on end of life decisions if they want them as required by the Joint Commison on the Accreditation of Hospitals in exactly the same manner that is prescribed in the heath care bill. The same way it is prescribed by Medicare. If that was "death panels" why, I was on one for decades. Advanced directives, no heroics, durable power of attorney for health care, all this I did. Guilty. By LAW every person in this country, legal or not, is given all the free health care they need. It has always been that way. If you deny care to anyone and they die, then you are by LAW a murderer. Who pays for this care? You do. You always have. You always will. That is one of the legitimate reasons health insurance is so high. So, under the present system hospitals have to care for everyone and they are dictated what they will be paid. If a hospital was a car dealership, everyone gets a car whether they can pay for it or not, and they might need a Rolls-Royce. If you do have insurance there is a very good chance the health care institution will do unnecessary tests to help pay for expensive systems. Think CT scans and MRIs. Physicians know what insurance sources there are for covering them and they make sure those covered patients get more than their share of these examinations.

You can't keep your own physican, there is no law that requires that. You can be forced to change them and even forced to go to a hospital miles away from your home when you live next door to a hospital. Health insurances pay whatever they want and drug and medical equipment companies can charge hospitals participating in Medicare whatever they want and by LAW they can't complain. There was a insurance company that paid its CEO a quarter billion dollars a year who kept the profits up by giving bonuses to claims accountants who turn down the most claims.

This is how the free enterprise system operates in health care. Now we are on the verge of a new system and the real winners are the health monopolies. Business as usual. Maybe if you hated liberals more? That'll fix it.

[SuperScout]

"There was a insurance company that paid its CEO a quarter billion dollars a year who kept the profits up by giving bonuses to claims accountants who turn down the most claims."

Expensive tests are frequently requested by doctors to stave off the latent claims encouraged by another group that you obviously support, the trial lawyers.

That's $250 million to a CEO? Can you prove this, or is this just another of your anti-capitalist rants? You rail and whine about Glenn Beck, citing the typical left-wing hate machines, yet you fail to point out one error in what he says. Your credibility is waning............

[Gimpy]

Originally Posted by 1CAVCCO15MED

Medicare is one of the few payers that have tried to cut down on health care costs. Medicare has something called DRGs. It is a price list for all the diagnoses in medicine. If you get this, your MD and hospital will get paid this much. Period. It doesn't matter how much trouble you have or how many procedures you have they only pay a certain amount. Every few years they cut how much they pay for DRGS. As far as the free enterprise system nobody fears it more than the insurance monopolies. As long as they are chartered state by state there will be no competition. When it was attempted for Medicare to bargain for the lowest prices on drugs, it was lobbied out of existance by the drug industry and their employees in the Senate and House. HMO's and insurance companies dictate which doctor you will see, You have no choice to keep your personal MD if they are not on the list of approved providers. I live in what is called the Tri cities area. Who you work for decides what physician you will see and what city of the three you will have to travel to to see them and what hospital you will go to. Add to that most of the insurances are now paying by DRGs now so there is no shopping around, no bargain hunting, no keeping your own doctor, not even going to the hospital in the city you live in in many cases. You have no choice. You could get your own insurance but you or none of you families had better ever had a chronic disease. You're on your own, sucker. Plus it is a lot easier to deny your claim or cut your coverage if you are not in a group. It is great if you never use it, however. And when is the last time any part of the health care economy ever had a sale? Every patient coming into any heath care institution is offered counseling on end of life decisions if they want them as required by the Joint Commison on the Accreditation of Hospitals in exactly the same manner that is prescribed in the heath care bill. The same way it is prescribed by Medicare. If that was "death panels" why, I was on one for decades. Advanced directives, no heroics, durable power of attorney for health care, all this I did. Guilty. By LAW every person in this country, legal or not, is given all the free health care they need. It has always been that way. If you deny care to anyone and they die, then you are by LAW a murderer. Who pays for this care? You do. You always have. You always will. That is one of the legitimate reasons health insurance is so high. So, under the present system hospitals have to care for everyone and they are dictated what they will be paid. If a hospital was a car dealership, everyone gets a car whether they can pay for it or not, and they might need a Rolls-Royce. If you do have insurance there is a very good chance the health care institution will do unnecessary tests to help pay for expensive systems. Think CT scans and MRIs. Physicians know what insurance sources there are for covering them and they make sure those covered patients get more than their share of these examinations.

You can't keep your own physican, there is no law that requires that. You can be forced to change them and even forced to go to a hospital miles away from your home when you live next door to a hospital. Health insurances pay whatever they want and drug and medical equipment companies can charge hospitals participating in Medicare whatever they want and by LAW they can't complain. There was a insurance company that paid its CEO a quarter billion dollars a year who kept the profits up by giving bonuses to claims accountants who turn down the most claims.

This is how the free enterprise system operates in health care. Now we are on the verge of a new system and the real winners are the health monopolies. Business as usual. Maybe if you hated liberals more? That'll fix it.

What my old friend Doc Fred said!

Gimp