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Old 01-24-2010, 11:29 AM
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This trash is actually in current debate on Facebook
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FUCK THE TROOPS
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By Ian Murphy

"So, 4000 rubes are dead. Cry me the Tigris. Another 30,000 have been seriously wounded. Boo fucking hoo. They got what they asked for—and cool robotic limbs, too.

Likely, just reading the above paragraph made you uncomfortable. But why?

The benevolence of America’s “troops” is sacrosanct. Questioning their rectitude simply isn’t done. It’s the forbidden zone. We may rail against this tragic war, but our soldiers are lauded by all as saints. Why? They volunteered to partake in this savage idiocy, and for this they deserve our utmost respect? I think not.

The nearly two-thirds of us who know this war is bullshit need to stop sucking off the troops. They get enough action raping female soldiers and sodomizing Iraqi detainees. The political left is intent on “supporting” the troops by bringing them home, which is a good thing. But after rightly denouncing the administration’s lies and condemning this awful war, relatively sensible pundits—like Keith Olbermann—turn around and lovingly praise the soldiers’ brave service to the country. Why?

What service are they providing? I don’t remember ordering 300,000 dead Iraqis—although I was doing a lot of heavy narcotics back in ‘03. Our soldiers are not providing a service to the country, they’re providing a service to a criminal administration and their oil company cronies. When a mafia don orders a hit, is the assassin absolved of personal responsibility when it’s carried out? Of course not. What if the hit man was fooled into service? We’d all say, “Tough shit, you dumb Guido,” then lock him up and throw away the key.

As a society, we need to discard our blind deference to military service. There’s nothing admirable about volunteering to murder people. There’s nothing admirable about being rooked by obvious propaganda. There’s nothing admirable about doing what you’re told if what you’re told to do is terrible.

We all learned recently that the Bush administration instituted its policy of global torture during quaint White House meetings. And we already know this war was started with lies. Shame on them. But what about the people who physically carry out these atrocities? We’ve seen bad apples punished and CEO despots walk free, but all verbal and written denouncement is focused on our leaders. Surely, they deserve that and more—decapitation, really. But why can’t we be critical of the people who have actually tortured and murdered hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens? We deride private contractors like Blackwater for similar conduct—why are the troops blameless?

Take John McCain, or “McNasty,” as they called him in high school. While the conventional wisdom says that Obama gets a pass from the media, McCain is clearly the least scrutinized presidential candidate. He diddles lobbyists, sings about bombing Iran and doesn’t know Shiite from Shinola, yet he remains unscathed, cloaked in his Vietnam “hero” legend.

Again, what is heroic about involving one’s self in a foolish war, being a shitty pilot or getting tortured? Yeah, it must have sucked, but getting your ass kicked every day for five years doesn’t make you a hero—it makes you a Bad News Bear.

Here’s where America’s military lust becomes a true perversion. If we truly valued military prowess, John McCain would be viewed as a failure. But duty alone is enough to inspire our gratitude. Hence the left’s tendency to obligatorily praise the troops while decrying the sum of their actions. Good thing, too, because this war is unwinnable.

George Washington warned that the biggest threat to the young United States was in keeping and deploying standing armies. An overextended military is a drain on any nation—eventually it will break. It also pisses off the people your army is standing on. We’ll never heed this warning and break the cycle of violence, so long as military service is so reflexively praised.

People want to be respected. And in a country with an abysmal education system and disappearing economic opportunities, they seek respect wherever they can find it—as street corner toughs or as government-sanctioned thugs. It beats McDonald’s. But this kind of victim-of-circumstance-sympathy for the troops turns them into automatons, neither deserving of praise or damnation. Disregarding the Stop Loss back door draft travesty, they had a choice.

We’re a squeamish people; we eschew heated debates and, in principle, strive for political correctness when arguing with those who hold contrary views. The left does anyway; the right makes no such pretense. That’s one of the reasons liberals have taken such a beating in the last few decades.

As plainly stupid as religious belief or participating in immoral and illegal wars may be, the castrated left can only argue against these things by appealing to reason. In America, that fails every time. We respond best to partisan venom and ad hominem attacks.

The right has no problem painting their opponents as cowards or godless heathens, but liberals—instead of sticking to the merits of their arguments—fight those accusations by leaning right, praising god and guns, and pandering to the people who cling to them. The left has taken to appeasing bullies as their only course to victory. And that’s no victory at all.

Liberals need to start calling a moron a moron—and openly mocking that moron if his positions or actions are indefensible. Just as Limbaugh or Hannity insults the left, tilting the battlefield so liberals are left scrounging for their patriotic bona fides, the left must begin attacking stupidity whether in the form of religious nonsense, “free market” capitalism or military worship.

Instead of blowing the troops every chance we get, to prove our patriotism and insulate ourselves against attacks from the right, liberals should grow a pair and start dishing the damnation.

How despicable must a military campaign be before Americans turn on their beloved troops? After chiding the “War on Toddlers” as fool-headed and pointlessly barbaric, would Keith Olbermann still thank the troops for their service? After the “Great Grandmother Slaughter of 2010,” will the press remove the fat military cock from its mouth? Following “Operation Murder Fluffy Kittens,” will the left finally nix the “honored service” crap? No. No, they won’t.

Condemning the “troops”—a term coined during the Gulf War—is almost unthinkable. And it won’t win you any awards. “Troops” are a monolithic entity, a cohesive group of pride-inspiring order-takers. Whereas an individual soldier is accountable for his or her actions, the “troops” are too abstract to blame. For Americans, there are only bad apples, never bad orchards.

But what kind of world would we rather live in: one where fools are admired for being fooled and murderers are extolled for murdering, or one where we have the capacity to step back and say, “I don’t care who told you to do what and why; you’re still an asshole!” Personally, I’d rather live in a world where people who act like retards are treated like retards: executed in Texas.

Americans fear the truth. It’s the slipperiest slope of all. Once we start extending responsibility beyond those who gave orders to those who took them, it won’t be long before we’re blaming ourselves. And we can’t have that.

Well, guess what, kids? The Iraq debacle is a pointless bloodbath—and every time you applaud those who “bravely” fill that tub, you’re soaking in it."

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Old 01-24-2010, 12:45 PM
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So now the left has a "hero in a booth"? He has sure listened to a lot of his yang, Rush Limbaugh. They both need to put on some pants, turn off the Simon and Garfunkel "I am a Rock", put away the porn and come out of their mother's basement and talk to some real people. I know it will be scary to be that close to people they disagree with but they won't be hurt if they stay within the bounds of decency. They might even learn something. At the end of the day even Jerry Springer must leave his bouncers behind and go home.
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Old 01-25-2010, 09:45 AM
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That yokel spouts some-pretty-sick-s--t!

Is he even an American Citizen?
If so (?),...Sicko Murphy most likely is either a Frisco or Chicago Muslim Enemy Loving type.

If not (?),...it most certainly would be very very wise closely checking Ian's drawers before
letting him on ANY flight. Terrorists are recruiting as many non-arab looking types as possible.

ALSO, knocking ones SOLE Guarantors of Liberty & Freedom (re: U.S. Military) is even more
stupidly hypocritical than ALSO Muslim Terrorist Enemy Helpful.......................................
U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder, Jr. actually & usually is. Is Ian on Eric's or Nancy's Staff?

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Interesting comments and he certainly has a right to speak his mind. Of course, he's forgetting that the right to free speach, while guaranteed in the Constitution, is protected by the very men and women he so obviously hates.

And he should at least get his historical facts right:
From G. Washington to the Continental Congress, September 24, 1776

"The Jealousies of a standing Army, and the Evils to be apprehended from one, are remote; and in my judgment, situated and circumstanced as we are, not at all to be dreaded; but the consequence of wanting one, according to my Ideas, formed from the present view of things, is certain, and inevitable Ruin; for if I was called upon to declare upon Oath, whether the Militia have been most serviceable or hurtful upon the whole; I should subscribe to the latter."

So when Murphy speaks of Washington being against a standing army, he is very wrong.
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:54 AM
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Thumbs down Murphy is one sick puppy

Having the right of free speech is one thing but to be critical of our forces is a wrong. Without these troops much of what he has the right to say would have been stripped away and he would have been taken out and shot in any other country.
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I gotta think this lunatic put that crap in public to get a rise... methinks he does not comprehend that some of our less patient bretheren and sisteren might take extreme exception in the form of expressing THEIR free speech in an unusually unpleasant manner.

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Having the right of free speech is one thing but to be critical of our forces is a wrong. Without these troops much of what he has the right to say would have been stripped away and he would have been taken out and shot in any other country.
Boats, I couldn't agree more. I believe he is wrong in his ridiculous and ill-researched opinion of our troops, but he is guaranteed his 1st Amendment rights. The best way to handle asshats like him is to simply ignore them. If an idiot yells on a street corner, and there's no one listening to him, is he relevent?
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1st Amendment guarantees NO ONE The Right to: "Holler fire in a crowded theater",
"Incite riot" nor falsely character assassinate; "America's Finest" and/or U.S. Military or.......
ANYONE for that matter. Naturally ACLU, Pelosi & Holder Crowd INSIST DIFFERENTLY!

Besides, Our Forefathers weren't constant idiotic enemy gratifying leftists or just plain morons.

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1st Amendment guarantees NO ONE The Right to: "Holler fire in a crowded theater",
"Incite riot" nor falsely character assassinate; "America's Finest" and/or U.S. Military or.......
ANYONE for that matter. Naturally ACLU, Pelosi & Holder Crowd INSIST DIFFERENTLY!

Besides, Our Forefathers weren't constant idiotic enemy gratifying leftists or just plain morons.

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If he made such a speech in front of a hostile audience and achieved a violent reaction, then, yeah, it could possibly be conceived as "inciting a riot". But in this case it was simply a published opinion.

While our Founding Fathers should be admired, remember that Sam Adams, the great rabble rouser and propogandist wanted the leaders of Shay's Rebellion executed. These men were veterans of the Revolution who simply wanted the money and/or land promised to them by the Congress and received nothing for their efforts. So here we have a situation where one of the founders of the American Revolutionary movement wanted a similar revolutionary movement crushed with extreme prejudice.

Preaching to the choir won't achieve anything. Anyone who is so opposed to his opinion should tell him directly.
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I understand that within less than 48 hours, almost 360,000 people signed the petition to remove the statement from Facebook - which it was, and in fact several thousand did, indeed, tell him directly what they thought of his free speech.
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