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Old 07-28-2003, 12:21 PM
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EXTORTION - ?To exact money for something else of value that is not due!?

INCOMPETENCE - "Lacking in ability or skill in any given situation!"
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North Korea, like the Barbary Pirates of old, is demanding that we sign a non-aggression pact and agree to send massive amounts of foreign aid to their ?Third World, Piss Ant Enclave of Extortionist Wanabes (aka- NK)!!"

Of course, the ?Non Aggression? parts of their demand are but a smoke screen! The real aim of ?Wee Willy Winky (aka - Kim Jong Il) is $$$$$$!! This international thug, like the "Gangsters of Old Chicago", is merely trying to get someone to pay for his imported hookers, elevator shoes and French champagne (opinion)!? And this "Kim Kat" thinks us to be his (weak) intended mark! ?Dream on, oh diminutive one!!?

Another thing that ticks me off (no end), are the political bull-slingers who claim (after every murder of ?OUR? courageous military personnel in Iraq) that: "They are getting a handle on the situation, or that it will all end when we bag Saddam?"

"In my opinion, a few of these political (so called) experts, don?t have a grip on anything, save for their own backsides!"

"QUESTION: "Did anyone in government really have a game plan as to what they were going to do after our blitz of Iraq? Or were they (as I suspect) just playing it by ear, political ear that is!!

The truth is that: "Most Americans truly believed that Hussein had to go, regardless of WMD potential! And most Americans backed the President's play in this arena. The BS about the Iraqis greeting us with open arms, however, was political over-kill! (opinion)

Usay, Qusay, and Saddam, were not the only maniacs in Iraq! And unless ?Our President? adopts some sort of hard line stance and workable response to this ongoing butchery of our troops, the current "We are getting a grip on the situation scenario" begins to appear as but a play for time (another opinion)! What is it that the sesoned generals say: "All battle plans go out the window after the first shot is fired!"

Will the violence against our troops in uniform really stop with the decapitation of Hussein? ?Damned I hope so?, as these brave warriors may soon be needed in Iran, Liberia, Korea, and who the hell knows where else if things keep rolling in the current direction!?

"And after we (totally) prevail in this action, who then will fight for the benefits that these troopers have earned with their pain, suffering and blood?" From what I am hearing, this is a whole other war, and on a domestic front at that!

For every drop of blood spilled in Iraq (and elsewhere), a scant few in government still seem hell-bent on repaying treachery with American Greenbacks! If you doubt this mind-set, then take a good long look at the Kim Jong Il situation! "He too is straining at the bit to get in on, what he perceives to be, Uncle Sam's gravy-train!!"

Our own veterans, however, are merely asking for "Truth, Treatment & Justice!" Of course, this reasonable request will not garner for the "Powers That BE", an image polishing abroad! But foreign image, after all, does not pay taxes, serve in harm's way, or vote in U.S. elections, now does it!?

"THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE!!"

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Old 07-28-2003, 01:01 PM
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Extortion is the game and the be all, catch all, definition of what is going. But a layer down is mental instability and delusions of grandeur for sure. I believe that nutcase would vaporize Seoul just to make a point-kind of like killing a hostage- and then it would be nuke rock and roll. Tough situation for sure but I believe having direct talks with North Korea without South Korea, Japan and the PRC would just insure further, ever escalating and more dangerous extortion. Kind of like dealing with street gangs or the mob I suppose. Ya can't win, break even, cave in or quit until they are fini.

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Old 07-28-2003, 07:24 PM
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Kim Jong Il is the kind of jerk who would incinerate half of the Korean peninsula, and just before he started to receive his change (incoming), he would take to his heels! Either that, or his Chow Mein will become a tad bit overdone!

If we allow ourselves, and we will not, to be extorted by this fool, it will not end there! This corpulent bum (Il) must be starting to believing his own press!!

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Old 07-28-2003, 07:46 PM
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Simple question:

What might happen if the situation in Korea were to arranged so as to make it possible for the two halves to unite again, and us not be there anymore at all in person?
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That might just happen, right after Hell freezes over that is!?

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Hardcore,

Well, might that not be the best solution, for all concerned?

I read recently that the USA has 370,000 military stationed in 120 countries right now. The Defense budget is around $750,000,000,000+.

After 50 years and billions of dollars from our treasury, isn't it about time that North and South Korea get their game together on their own? The USA could still support the southern people if needed in some way. The North would offer the South it's excessive military capacity, and it's nuclear capability would at least then be under legitimate scrutiny (like it is in Israel, Russia, India, Britain etc). The families so long separated could rejoin, and relieve all that emotional tension that has been built up. The South would offer their strong economic ways to the North, and maybe resolve the hunger up there. The civil war would be over at last, and governance of the two factions could be negotiated so as to use the best of both systems. Korea would be united, off the table, and China would not have to be a factor in the equation any more. Our people could either come home or go to duty where they are more needed. We'd still have every power the USA now has to blow somebody to bits if our government saw no other choice. The Armistice would become a Peace Treaty instead of a 50-year old unstable cease fire. Hell, if a unified Korea wanted to go "communist" afterward (EXTREMELY unlikely), so what? We're living quite nicely with China, the largest communist nation ever known, and doing plenty of capitalist business with them (which satisfies our corporations as much as it damages our industrial base). Korea would just become another market! I don't see how we would lose any "face" by doing this, and maybe we'd even be seen throughout the world as being really really creative and smart.

Self determination is what WE demand, so why not get out of the way and let Korea self determine? It's for sure that what we've tried thusfar ain't workin'!
After 50 years a stalemate, especially one that's becoming dangerous again, is not looking too wise anymore.

It's either let it be, or go ahead and wait for Hell to freeze over...and pass that unworkable armistice along to our kids, and their kids.
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That would be the best of all worlds. Problem is that current North Korea has to be winner take all and dominate with their obsolete form of radical orthodox totalitarian communism. I don?t think the south is going to sign up for that and therein is the rub. It would be best for all concerned if the US scaled back to a zero or miniscule military presents in South Korea and that is dependent upon North and South getting something productive going for a change. Then there is the issue of the PRC and what form of government they would allow on their southeast flank. My guess is that form of government would not include be allowed to include a significant US military presents.

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Scamp,

Right you are. How about this idea then...

Pretty much everyone either knows or at least truly believes that pure communism itself does not work very well. What would be the harm in putting the idea to the ultimate test? What is there to be afraid of? More violence?

Couldn't our government simply state that we are leaving our post on the 38th parallel effective on a date certain. Then, post the Navy just outside international waters surrounding Korea. Deploy some number of ground troops and equipment into the South as a deterrent during the expected chaos.

If the State Department were to produce a Treaty document to be signed by the parties along these lines, and if thereafter the North were to violate it, then we would be in a position to put them down once and for all without any of the current equivocations.

My guess is that the simple act of offering such a Treaty alone would do wonders for making it workable, and would tremendously improve our own credibility throughout the so-called "international community".

A 50-year stalemate, at this unacceptable level of cost and danger, and given all the other responsibilities we have burdened ourselves with, just has got to stop.

What I'm trying to imagine is what America would be like today had not our own North and South gone beyond mere armistice in 1865, and what if it were to have been some other nation posted along our Mason-Dixon line to this day.
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The only caveat is that our own government would HAVE TO stay completely OUT OUT OUT of the Korean's designing their own unified nation in whatever way they, and they alone, deemed best.

Doing so may be the most impossible part of such a Peace. Therein lies the rub, and possibly the reason it has not happened yet?
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"NOBLE INTENT - BUT?"

Wanting to re-unite North and South Korea is noble indeed, and I must admit logical on the surface. It is, however, overly simplistic, and given the current situation, completely unworkable! (opinion)

We are not talking about "Two Like-Thinking Entities" here - or even a pair of brothers, separated but by time and space. Just because they happen to share the same last name, they are (at the core) as different as fire and water!

What is being pondered in this scenario, is the workability of a marriage (re-unification if you prefer) of two deadly foes, that time (over a half century) has done little to mellow out!

The North is hurting financially, and like the "Mouse That Roared", it sees no other way out of its financial and social quagmire than through war, intimidation, blackmail and threat! And Kim Jong Il, fearing for his very existence, is blowing smoke in order to cloud the real issues - those being national poverty, economic instability, starvation and a failed ideology!

In attempting to raise North Korea out of a gutter of its own making, we could just (instead) drag the South down into the pit with it! "You do not offer, as a sacrifice to failure, a workable society!" Nor do you knuckle under to extortion, as this "Chamberlain-Like Folly" merely offers-up one's own soft underbelly to the fangs of aggression!

Appeasement, and that is what this would be, only temporarily feeds the insatiable hunger of a laggard and a bully! And if reunification alone was the key to success, then I would say: "By all means, give the South (Korea) back to the North, Africa back to apartheids, the Slaves back to the plantation owners, and America back to Great Britain!!"

This philosophy, after all, was what led to the Nazi apatite of the late 1930s!! I mean, what the hell (right), it's only little old South Korea (for now) that Kim Il Jong is demanding! Either that, or a "Billion Dollar Welfare Check", payable on the first of every month!

And what is the view of the people of South Korea as concerns this forced reunification? Are they willing to sacrifice themselves on the "Alter of The North?" To hand over 50 years of progress to a human turd (Kim) who's gluttony for vice and hunger for power is fast becoming legendary! And while we are on the subject, why would we really want unite the economy of the South with the Military might of the North (Korea that is)! Do you really think that they would meld together in harmony and mutual beneficence?

What would occur here, "Without A Doubt", is that the North (Kim Jong Il), would march in, take over the South completely, and bleed it dry. He would then reunite, not the nation itself, but rather it's military, making further territorial and monetary demands upon the United States and the region! "This is the way of any despot, as history has so tragically proven!!"

Then your "Final Solution" (Nuke The Pukes) would become not a possibility, but rather an all out certainty! The only problem then, however, would be: "The Unified Army and Resources of Korea would pose an awesome threat to the entire world!" Also, we will have granted Kim Jong Il the time to create a sizable nuclear arsenal!

When this occurs, you have a really big problem on your hands, as "Kim Jong Il would not hesitate to blow you and yours off the face of the map!"

"One does not feed a beast, he either transforms it or kills it. and for the record, Kim will not be revamped into a handsome prince. "He is a poisonous toad, and a toad he will remain!!"

"Peace is a beautiful thing my friend, but to attain it, both parties must want it!!"

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