Packo,...

[reconeil]

While doing a less hostile, milder and more civil back & forth with you over on Gimpy's thread, you also displayed disgust with politicians about it being proposed that 100% Service Connected Disabled Veterans be denied Social Security Monies, that lifelong F.I.C.A. paid into.

I find such quite disgusting also, plus that any American be denied "THEIR" PRIVATELY SAVED FOR RETIREMENT MONIES by wealthy politicians,...is even absurd. Would such rich lords ever deny themselves such? I don't think so.

Still that gets us right back to those now in charge, whom can do pretty-damn-much (or not) as pleased, and/or The Democrat Phonies whom I despise even more so than Republican career-politicians. That: "Shouldn't trust a Democrat politician any farther than can throw a camel up hill in a wind storm" goes way back to The President Lyndon Johnson & Gang Days, for me.

That's when He and EVEN THEN quite lordly clique first diverted PRIVATELY CONTRIBUTED TO F.I.C.A. (50/50 Employer & Employee) Social Security Retirement Monies out of Fund with Trustees Status,...and INTO The Big Political Piggy-bank and/or The General Fund. From thence forward, F.I.C.A. became just another Tax Revenue to be dispensed as decreed by all Big Brother type politicians.

"Surprise, Surprise", and guess what? From that time forward Social Security perpetually needed: "FIXING" and/or what politicians do best. Just jokin. Wouldn't trust a politician to FIX my toilet,...or even an Out-House for that matter.

Granted, Johnson & Dems first started the political controlling of personal monies saved for retirement. But, Jimmy Carter decreeing that vast sums of F.I.C.A. Savings be gifted to many foreign nationals (here legally or otherwise) and Al Gore helped decree that: "Never to be taxed Social Security (as per FDR)" would NOW BE TAXED,...made the political control of Personal Social Security Accounts EVEN WORSE.

Still, and since politicians in general are so cavalierly generous with MY/YOUR/OUR F.I.C.A. $AVING$ to many foreign nationals (even ILLEGAL ALIENS),...why-the-hell so-damn-stingy and hell-bent trying to screw Veterans out of what they life long PAID INTO? Typical Lordly Decrees aside,...is such even: "FAIR"???
Plus, mixing Pensions with Personal Savings,...just plain stupid.

Also, it's important realizing that if such finagling were done by Private Sector Executives,...most all would be quite likely doing Jail Time. Guess law-makers make laws that suite "THEMSELVES" best? Apparently & Obviously So.

Neil

[MORTARDUDE]

WTF ??????

Larry

[Packo]

Neil,

Then we had 13 years to correct that and we didn't. Another bone of contention with me. Republicans said they were going to fix SS, and didn't do anything. It's still a mess and now Republican lead comissions want to take it away from me because I will soon be 100% SC Vet.

Pack

[reconeil]

Even though politics and best of career-politicians are unarguably
as worthwhile & needed for We Americans as tits on a bull,...
can't believe that such career types would so stupidly mix up
GREATLY SACRIFICED FOR PENSIONS with PERSONALLY ACCRUED
& LIFELONG SAVED FOR RETIREMENT Social Security Accounts.
Besides fact that most politicians: "Suck",...have "They" gone nuts also?

Nor, do I honestly believe that NEW DEMOCRAT CONTROLLED U.S. Congress
would even permit a normal Republican to head any important
committee. Any turncoat or anti-Bush Republican permitted,...of course.

Neil

[Advisor]

While I do think that some politicians, on a personal level, are fine and careing individuals, I also think that as a group they have about as much value as a bucket of warm spit.

[Packo]

I'd rather have a bucket of warm spit.

Neil,

Social Security could go away tomorrow never to be seen again and there would be nothing any of us could do. They could say, "well, tough beans, all the money is gone", and that would be it. Instead of allowing us to decide if we want it or not, (most politicians think I'm too dumb to manage my own money), we are forced at gun point, just like income taxes, to pay up. You can't believe they would take it away from disabled vets.....sorry but you need to wake up and smell the coffee. They can take it away from anyone they want. Once it goes to Washington, it's "their" money. It's too late for me, but I think my nieces and nephews should have a choice and that's what the Republicans said they would do. They didn't do shit about it. I doubt my nieces and nephews will see a cent of SS until they are at least 72. To "save" SS, they will just keep raising the retirement age, and tax more. If they weren't considering taking away from disabled vets, "double dipping", they would not have formed a commission to look into it. It wasn't the Democrats that did that. Social Security money is pouring into India, Mexico, and other countries because people come here, work 40 quarters, then leave and live like kings elsewhere. Like illegal's, which Bush wants to be able to be eligable for SS, not a damn things being done about this stuff and America just cannot afford it.

More buckets of warm spit in Washington then good honorable people.

Pack

[Gimpy]

Originally posted by Packy If they weren't considering taking away from disabled vets, "double dipping", they would not have formed a commission to look into it. It wasn't the Democrats that did that.

Pack

Once again, my dear soutern brother speaks the abso-phuckin-lute T-R-U-T-H!

NUFF SAID!

[reconeil]

Think what you like or say what you like. But the-bottom-line is that neither Party in Washington (in SECRET & CLOSED Committees also) works or connive screwing We Americans out of our money in a vacuum or singularly by This Party or That Party.

Recently, such probably only one of few times in DC when TRUE bipartisanship dictates actually apply and are used. Most likely what's only debated in such super-secret closed sessions here in: "Wide Open America" (to everyone else on earth),...are just how much ripping-off will the traffic bare, and where better putting these or which foreign nationals are better deserving of these new found monies???

Realistically, if Minority Republicans were actually sincere about rectifying any such absurdities,...they would merely have to go to The Press/Media and expose such despicable matters targeting Veterans. Minority or not, The Public would be OUTRAGE over such a display of political callousness towards Disabled Veterans.

If The Majority Democrats were actually sincere about rectifying any such absurdities being forced upon Disabled Veterans, now being in TOTAL CONTROL of: "The American Purse String", they could merely fix the matter quite easily. If such what Dems ACTUALLY WANT,...whose to stop them?

Unfortunately, such career-political low-lifes (of whatever BENT) have much more important and pressing matters to deal with,...instead. Campaigning is apparently a full time job, and then there are so many foreign nationals and/or: "Criminally Illegal Aliens" to satisfy, contend with, and garner votes from.

So then, both Democrat & Republican Backroom Specialists must in concert be saying: "Screw the Disabled Veterans for awhile". "They seem well fed and content enough". "Let's instead throw The Taxpayer Monies ripped-off from DAV's at foreign nationals,...and hopefully that'll quite-down and pacify those extremely noisy and demanding critters". "Maybe we can throw some bucks at Mexico City, and maybe Nancy Pelosi too"??
"Hell,...might quit her down a little, too".

Neil

[Boats]

I've been reading many your recent threads (of late) and it seems the process remains the same. No matter if you are a D or R - in office or not. It seems there are reasonable issues on both sides.

Here we see view points that are deeply dividing the two sides which reflects the in fighting that must surely be going on in government.

We have yet to find a way to resolve all of this and it carries over whomever is in office. The majority rules is most cases.

Yes there are many hard issues that need to be addressed but where are all the answers? Social Security has been an issue for as long as I can remember. Uncle Sam has pulled dollars out of it for quite sometime.

Yes Pensions that many have paid into for many years were lost by corrupt company officials - and now many suffer. This will continue until someone has an answer.

Government will continue to manipulate its people because they know they can.

You guy's all know the issues (as do I) yet we argue amongst ourselves under party lines blaming each side for the problem that has been in place and going on during many administrations.

Is there a light at the end of tunnel - Gee I don't see any. Will the process continue down its unlikely slide - Yep cause no one can fix it (YET?) I say that as a skeptic I always think there is hope.

I guess its human nature to argue amongest ourselves over issues we have no control over. We put our trust into those who we elect and ship off into the system. Once there the hardliner's and the special interest groups begin their educational process advising - not to make any waives. Do you agree.

Other issues of importance to many is the current ecomony, fuel cost, unemployment, loss of jobs, global warming, and the list can become quite long - depending on which subject of interest is on top at that moment.

Guys - we all know how it works and I see the frustration coming out in our threads. I know each of you would give their life for the other - let's remember that even though the polical system is interjecting and is not compromising on the mainstream issues.

Keep up the good work - maybe we will turn a corner and see the a glimmer of light.

[Packo]

Boats,

AMEN!

Pack