Purple Heart Award

I looked it up, a Medical Officer must treat for the Purple, not a
doc, medic, corpsman, etc., it must be a Medical Officer......



Executive Order 11016--Authorizing award of the Purple Heart

Source: The provisions of Executive Order 11016 of Apr. 25, 1962,
appear at 27 FR 4139, 3 CFR, 1959-1963 Comp., p. 596, unless otherwise
noted.

WHEREAS General George Washington, at Newburg-on-the-Hudson, on August
7, 1782, during the War of the Revolution, issued an Order
establishing the Honorary Badge of Distinction, otherwise known as the
Badge of Military Merit or Decoration of the Purple Heart; and

WHEREAS the award of that decoration ceased with the closing of the
War of the Revolution and was revived on February 22, 1932, out of
respect to the memory and military achievements of General George
Washington, by War Department General Orders No. 3:

NOW, THEREFORE, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President
of the United States and as Commander in Chief of the armed forces of
the United States, it is ordered as follows:

1. The Secretary of a military department, or the Secretary of
Transportation with regard to the Coast Guard when not operating as a
service in the Navy, shall, in the name of the President of the United
States, award the Purple Heart, with suitable ribbons and
appurtenances, to any member of an armed force under the jurisdiction
of that department and any civilian national of the United States who,
while serving under competent authority in any capacity with an armed
force of that department, has been, or may hereafter be, wounded--
(a) in any action against an enemy of the United States;
(b) in any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in
which the armed forces of the United States are or have been engaged;
(c) while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed
conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is
not a belligerent party;
(d) as the result of an act of any such enemy or opposing armed force;
(e) as the result of an act of any hostile foreign force;
(f) after March 28, 1973, as a result of an international terrorist
attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the
United States, recognized as such an attack for the purposes of this
Order by the Secretary of the department concerned, or jointly by the
Secretaries of the departments concerned if persons from more than one
department are wounded in the attack; or
(g) after March 28, 1973, as a result of military operations, while
serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a
peacekeeping force.

[Para. 1 amended by Executive Order 11382 of Nov. 28, 1967, 32 FR
16247, 3 CFR, 1966-1970 Comp., p. 691; Executive Order 12464 of Feb.
23, 1984, 49 FR 7099, 3 CFR, 1984 Comp., p. 163]

2. The Secretary of a military department, or the Secretary of
Transportation, shall, in the name of the President of the United
States, award the Purple Heart, with suitable ribbons and
appurtenances, posthumously, to any person covered by, and under the
circumstances described in,--
(a) paragraphs 1(a)-(e) who, after April 5, 1917; or
(b) paragraphs 1(f)-(g) who, after March 28, 1973,
has been, or may hereafter be, killed, or who has died or may
hereafter die after being wounded.

[Para. 2 amended by Executive Order 12464 of Feb. 23, 1964, 49 FR
7099, 3 CFR, 1984 Comp., p. 163]

3. A wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by
a medical officer.

"Patrick t." wrote in message
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>
> I looked it up, a Medical Officer must treat for the Purple, not a
> doc, medic, corpsman, etc., it must be a Medical Officer......
>

However, when the Sp/4 stitches you up, he will ask about the details.
Presumably, there is a Med Officer about somewhere to initial the
appropriate box on the treatment form.

Patrick t. wrote:
>
>I looked it up, a Medical Officer must treat for the Purple, not a
>doc, medic, corpsman, etc., it must be a Medical Officer......
>
>
>
>Executive Order 11016--Authorizing award of the Purple Heart
>
>Source: The provisions of Executive Order 11016 of Apr. 25, 1962,
>appear at 27 FR 4139, 3 CFR, 1959-1963 Comp., p. 596, unless otherwise
>noted.
>
>WHEREAS General George Washington, at Newburg-on-the-Hudson, on August
>7, 1782, during the War of the Revolution, issued an Order
>establishing the Honorary Badge of Distinction, otherwise known as the
>Badge of Military Merit or Decoration of the Purple Heart; and
>
>WHEREAS the award of that decoration ceased with the closing of the
>War of the Revolution and was revived on February 22, 1932, out of
>respect to the memory and military achievements of General George
>Washington, by War Department General Orders No. 3:
>
>NOW, THEREFORE, by virtue of the authority vested in me as President
>of the United States and as Commander in Chief of the armed forces of
>the United States, it is ordered as follows:
>
>1. The Secretary of a military department, or the Secretary of
>Transportation with regard to the Coast Guard when not operating as a
>service in the Navy, shall, in the name of the President of the United
>States, award the Purple Heart, with suitable ribbons and
>appurtenances, to any member of an armed force under the jurisdiction
>of that department and any civilian national of the United States who,
>while serving under competent authority in any capacity with an armed
>force of that department, has been, or may hereafter be, wounded--
>(a) in any action against an enemy of the United States;
>(b) in any action with an opposing armed force of a foreign country in
>which the armed forces of the United States are or have been engaged;
>(c) while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in an armed
>conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is
>not a belligerent party;
>(d) as the result of an act of any such enemy or opposing armed force;
>(e) as the result of an act of any hostile foreign force;
>(f) after March 28, 1973, as a result of an international terrorist
>attack against the United States or a foreign nation friendly to the
>United States, recognized as such an attack for the purposes of this
>Order by the Secretary of the department concerned, or jointly by the
>Secretaries of the departments concerned if persons from more than one
>department are wounded in the attack; or
>(g) after March 28, 1973, as a result of military operations, while
>serving outside the territory of the United States as part of a
>peacekeeping force.
>
>[Para. 1 amended by Executive Order 11382 of Nov. 28, 1967, 32 FR
>16247, 3 CFR, 1966-1970 Comp., p. 691; Executive Order 12464 of Feb.
>23, 1984, 49 FR 7099, 3 CFR, 1984 Comp., p. 163]
>
>2. The Secretary of a military department, or the Secretary of
>Transportation, shall, in the name of the President of the United
>States, award the Purple Heart, with suitable ribbons and
>appurtenances, posthumously, to any person covered by, and under the
>circumstances described in,--
>(a) paragraphs 1(a)-(e) who, after April 5, 1917; or
>(b) paragraphs 1(f)-(g) who, after March 28, 1973,
>has been, or may hereafter be, killed, or who has died or may
>hereafter die after being wounded.
>
>[Para. 2 amended by Executive Order 12464 of Feb. 23, 1964, 49 FR
>7099, 3 CFR, 1984 Comp., p. 163]
>
>3. A wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by
>a medical officer.

Since this is about Kerry, do we know that he was/wasn't treated by a doctor?

OK you Navy guys, does an LST have a doctor aboard?

While my wound was of the minor shrapnel variety, it was treated/looked at by a
doctor. I was off for a couple of days (Hey -- it hurt, damn it!).

Doug

On 16 Feb 2004 21:50:08 GMT, Doug Reese wrote:

> While my wound was of the minor shrapnel variety, it was treated/looked at by a
> doctor. I was off for a couple of days (Hey -- it hurt, damn it!).

Wimp. You don't know what pain is until you get sand in a papercut.

-Jeff B. (with another Yeff of Arabia story)
yeff at erols dot com

On 16 Feb 2004 21:50:08 GMT, Doug Reese wrote:

>Patrick t. wrote:
>>
>>I looked it up, a Medical Officer must treat for the Purple, not a
>>doc, medic, corpsman, etc., it must be a Medical Officer......
>>
>>
>>
>>Executive Order 11016--Authorizing award of the Purple Heart
>>
>>Source: The provisions of Executive Order 11016 of Apr. 25, 1962,
>>appear at 27 FR 4139, 3 CFR, 1959-1963 Comp., p. 596, unless otherwise
>>noted.
>>
>>WHEREAS General George Washington, at Newburg-on-the-Hudson, on August
>>7, 1782, during the War of the Revolution, issued an Order
>>establishing the Honorary Badge of Distinction, otherwise known as the
>>Badge of Military Merit or Decoration of the Purple Heart; and
>>


>>
>>3. A wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by
>>a medical officer.

This is a dumb rule in my opinion. We are taking a hill and have a
bunch of men with shrapnel, and gunshot wounds who are able to fight
on. Maybe the NVA would give us a time out to get all the paperwork
taken care of, but I don't think so. Lots of guys would bandage
themselves and keep fighting. We wouldn't have made it if they didn't.
After a battle our 1st Sgt would make sure the medic got to all the
wounded and took a look at us and cleaned up our wounds. He wouldn't
send us back to a firebase unless further treatment was needed. He
certainly wouldn't send us back so that an officer could fill our
forms. Every man was needed to protect the hill. Every bird was
being utilized to the max. We needed ammo and water worse than Purple
Hearts. I didn't know of this rule at the time. Our Top probably
did, and he made sure we all received the award.
http://www.vietnow.com/artbc.htm

shit, Pat, you'd fucking be dead by the time ya read all that chit

"Patrick t." wrote in message
news:cjc230tosput2qngjik7sjji8tss4vduen@4ax.com...
>
> I looked it up, a Medical Officer must treat for the Purple, not a
> doc, medic, corpsman, etc., it must be a Medical Officer......

> >
> >3. A wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by
> >a medical officer.
>
> Since this is about Kerry, do we know that he was/wasn't treated by a
doctor?
>
> OK you Navy guys, does an LST have a doctor aboard?
>
A regular fleet LST had only a corpsman aboard, I suspect the barracks
support ships on the Mekong (which were converted LST's) probably did have
doctors aboard.




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"Alan Sandoval" wrote:
>> >
>> >3. A wound for which the award is made must have required treatment by
>> >a medical officer.
>>
>> Since this is about Kerry, do we know that he was/wasn't treated by a
>doctor?
>>
>> OK you Navy guys, does an LST have a doctor aboard?
>>
>A regular fleet LST had only a corpsman aboard, I suspect the barracks
>support ships on the Mekong (which were converted LST's) probably did have
>doctors aboard.

The LST I would be asking about is the one/kind that was used by the Swift Boats,
which was moored ("moored" -- did I just wax nautical?) off the coast when they
were doing their thing in the Camau Peninsula.

Doug

> The LST I would be asking about is the one/kind that was used by the Swift
Boats,
> which was moored ("moored" -- did I just wax nautical?) off the coast when
they
> were doing their thing in the Camau Peninsula.
>
> Doug
>

I was on the USS Park County for two months somewhere off the Mekong, I
don't know exactly where, supporting the swift boats with fuel, supplies,
etc. We had no doctor aboard. That would have been around the middle of
1968 to summer 1969. We never dropped anchor, just constantly cruised at a
slow speed. Worst two months of my duty. We ran out of all fresh food
after one week. After a while I didn't know if we were supporting the
swifts or if they were supporting us. They brought us mail and movies, we
provided them with fuel, oil, etc.




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Doug Reese wrote:
>
> Patrick t. wrote:
> >
> >I looked it up, a Medical Officer must treat for the Purple, not a
> >doc, medic, corpsman, etc., it must be a Medical Officer......

[snip


> Since this is about Kerry, do we know that he was/wasn't treated by a doctor?
>
> OK you Navy guys, does an LST have a doctor aboard?
>
> While my wound was of the minor shrapnel variety, it was treated/looked at by a
> doctor. I was off for a couple of days (Hey -- it hurt, damn it!).
>
> Doug

I don't think I ever set foot on an LST in Vietnam, but I would
find it mind boggling if the LSTs did not carry at least one
full MD, especially being mother ship to Swifts, PBRs, all
manner of MRF vessels and various weird detachments and teams.
Perhaps the YRBMs such as at Dong Tam and Ben Luc might have
had an MD assigned, but I don't know for sure.

Another thing the Navy has is independent duty corpsman,
a combination of experience, special schooling, time in rate,
etc. It would not surprise me if a senior corpsman with
independent duty stamped in his service jacket would be allowed
to sign off on purple hearts, or it would be routine for
an MD to take his word for it. Independent duty corpsmen
serve on small ships and isolated duty stations where there
is no MD, e.g., both minesweepers and the destroyer I was
on had HM1 (E-6) that had all done at least one tour with FMF.
There was a modified LST that was mother ship to the minesweepers
in Charleston, they must have had an MD, they held sick call for
all the MSOs. Doc up! I'd like to hear Navy corpsmen from
Vietnam War comment on my opinion. Of course, Navy corpsmen
assigned to FMF would conform their SOP in all matters including
PH to the needs and dictates of the Marines.