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NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
I read once that American Air Force bases in Thailand were sometimes
attacked and that some snipers near the bases turned out to be North Vietamese troops. Was this true ? And didn't Thailand experience a communist insurgency of it's own during the Vietnam war ? Was Vietnam a big supporter of the Thai Communist movement ? Did the Vietamese ever envision a Communist takeover of Thailand ? |
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Re: NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
The takeover appears to have been one of the objectives of the Tricontential
conference held in Cuba which Vietnam and the Soviets played an active role. At the time the communist were advocating global insurgency with the idea that they would eventually take over the Southeast Asian region by one means or another. That objective has not changed since Vietnam is a communist nation and as a matter of ideological doctrine the idea still remains alive in terms of doctrine. There is not a hell of amount of difference between NK and VN - both according to Senate testimony are developing WMD capabilities. ----------------- "Mike" news:7cfd37d2.0311021741.4430afa0@posting.google.c om... > I read once that American Air Force bases in Thailand were sometimes > attacked and that some snipers near the bases turned out to be North > Vietamese troops. > > Was this true ? > > And didn't Thailand experience a communist insurgency of it's own > during the Vietnam war ? Was Vietnam a big supporter of the Thai > Communist movement ? > > Did the Vietamese ever envision a Communist takeover of Thailand ? |
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Re: NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
Thanks Jason. Do you or anyone else here have any information on
actual NVA units or NVA special forces units that operated in Thailand during the Vietnam war ? Didn't the NVA communists provide some kind of aid or training to the Thai Communist movement ? "JASON A. KAATZ" > The takeover appears to have been one of the objectives of the Tricontential > conference held in Cuba which Vietnam and the Soviets played an active role. > At the time the communist were advocating global insurgency with the idea > that they would eventually take over the Southeast Asian region by one means > or another. That objective has not changed since Vietnam is a communist > nation and as a matter of ideological doctrine the idea still remains alive > in terms of doctrine. There is not a hell of amount of difference between NK > and VN - both according to Senate testimony are developing WMD capabilities. > > ----------------- > "Mike" > news:7cfd37d2.0311021741.4430afa0@posting.google.c om... > > I read once that American Air Force bases in Thailand were sometimes > > attacked and that some snipers near the bases turned out to be North > > Vietamese troops. > > > > Was this true ? > > > > And didn't Thailand experience a communist insurgency of it's own > > during the Vietnam war ? Was Vietnam a big supporter of the Thai > > Communist movement ? > > > > Did the Vietamese ever envision a Communist takeover of Thailand ? |
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Re: NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
I have nothing on specific units. However, from reading unclassified Senate
and House reports years ago it was very clear that there was an effort to at least undertake insurgent operations. The CIA use to publish the National Intelligence Fact Book and I believe still does every year. However, getting a copy that covers that period of time which would have listed opposition and insurgent movements operating in Thailand it could give you some insight to the circumstances in which they operated. You might also check the New York Times Index for the years concerned. Also the Bankok Post if it is still available. Some of the old timers - Air America surely would have some opinion on what was going on there at the time. However, an FOIA to the USAF and/or Special Warfare School (JFK) in North Carolina might turn up some history as well as asking for the OPRs and Lessons Learned for MAAG Thailand and/or specific Detachments stationed there. Also DOS Embassy Cable files and the Johnson and Nixon Library, an E-mail to the chief librarian will do - they have a website. Also the University of Texas. There were Thai troops in Vietnam in 1965 when I was there. Also, the Thai Embassy in WDC - the Military Attaché's office might have some history, I use to train the Thai's soldiers in Virginia - after I returned from Vietnam. My recollection I am sorry to say has faded with time, 30 years plus. However, I am sure the Bankok Post has some history on it. You might send Mark Smith an e-mail in Thailand - he was living there for a while. He sure as hell knows the history of that region from the point of view of a former SF officer and operator. Colonel Bo Gritz might have some insight as well. DOS Historians office might be able to give you some very direct citations as well. "Mike" news:7cfd37d2.0311031428.1bf695e8@posting.google.c om... > Thanks Jason. Do you or anyone else here have any information on > actual > NVA units or NVA special forces units that operated in Thailand during > the Vietnam war ? > > Didn't the NVA communists provide some kind of aid or training to the > Thai Communist movement ? > > > "JASON A. KAATZ" news: > > The takeover appears to have been one of the objectives of the Tricontential > > conference held in Cuba which Vietnam and the Soviets played an active role. > > At the time the communist were advocating global insurgency with the idea > > that they would eventually take over the Southeast Asian region by one means > > or another. That objective has not changed since Vietnam is a communist > > nation and as a matter of ideological doctrine the idea still remains alive > > in terms of doctrine. There is not a hell of amount of difference between NK > > and VN - both according to Senate testimony are developing WMD capabilities. > > > > ----------------- > > "Mike" > > news:7cfd37d2.0311021741.4430afa0@posting.google.c om... > > > I read once that American Air Force bases in Thailand were sometimes > > > attacked and that some snipers near the bases turned out to be North > > > Vietamese troops. > > > > > > Was this true ? > > > > > > And didn't Thailand experience a communist insurgency of it's own > > > during the Vietnam war ? Was Vietnam a big supporter of the Thai > > > Communist movement ? > > > > > > Did the Vietamese ever envision a Communist takeover of Thailand ? |
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Re: NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
"Mike" > I read once that American Air Force bases in Thailand were sometimes > attacked and that some snipers near the bases turned out to be North > Vietamese troops. > > And didn't Thailand experience a communist insurgency of it's own > during the Vietnam war ? Yes indeed, Thailand had a communist insurgency. One of the very few good things to come out of our war in Vietnam, is the claim that by our fighting there, we provided pressure, support, and time for the rest of South East Asia to 1. Get their governments in better shape, 2. Get their economies in better shape, 3. Get their internal & external security in better shape, so they had a chance to keep the support of the citizens, and then hold off and defeat the communists. Was Vietnam a big supporter of the Thai > Communist movement ? > > Did the Vietamese ever envision a Communist takeover of Thailand ? Yes, a communist takeover, I am not sure the Vietnamese were intending that they govern. I will let others like Kaatz discuss this area. |
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Re: NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
MrStrong65@hotmail.com (Mike) wrote in message news:<7cfd37d2.0311021741.4430afa0@posting.google.com>...
> I read once that American Air Force bases in Thailand were sometimes > attacked and that some snipers near the bases turned out to be North > Vietamese troops. > > Was this true ? I have not heard of any PAVN snipers around the air bases in Thailand, though I can't swear there were none. There were at least five attacks on those bases. The most successful was against Udorn, July 26, 1968. One American and one Thai were killed, and three aircraft were damaged. Three B-52s were damaged in an attack on U-Tapao January 10, 1972. It is generally believed that the forces responsible for all these attacks were PAVN sappers, and I see no reason to doubt that, though if it has ever actually been proven I have not seen the evidence. > And didn't Thailand experience a communist insurgency of it's own > during the Vietnam war ? Yes. > Was Vietnam a big supporter of the Thai Communist movement ? A supporter, but not a big supporter. > Did the Vietamese ever envision a Communist takeover of Thailand ? They envisioned it, but they never did much to try to bring the vision to reality. They were too busy with problems closer to home. Ed Moise |
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Re: NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
fwiw, the folks up in NKP got to see some pretty sights at night. not sure
but isn't that on the Red River? "Ed Moise" news:145c66a2.0311031538.6fee3066@posting.google.c om... > MrStrong65@hotmail.com (Mike) wrote in message news:<7cfd37d2.0311021741.4430afa0@posting.google.com>... > > I read once that American Air Force bases in Thailand were sometimes > > attacked and that some snipers near the bases turned out to be North > > Vietamese troops. > > > > Was this true ? > > I have not heard of any PAVN snipers around the air bases in Thailand, > though I can't swear there were none. > > There were at least five attacks on those bases. > > The most successful was against Udorn, July 26, 1968. One American > and one Thai were killed, and three aircraft were damaged. > > Three B-52s were damaged in an attack on U-Tapao January 10, 1972. > > It is generally believed that the forces responsible for all these > attacks were PAVN sappers, and I see no reason to doubt that, though > if it has ever actually been proven I have not seen the evidence. > > > And didn't Thailand experience a communist insurgency of it's own > > during the Vietnam war ? > > Yes. > > > Was Vietnam a big supporter of the Thai Communist movement ? > > A supporter, but not a big supporter. > > > Did the Vietamese ever envision a Communist takeover of Thailand ? > > They envisioned it, but they never did much to try to bring the vision > to reality. They were too busy with problems closer to home. > > Ed Moise |
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Re: NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
Nope. The Mekong.
-- Don Thompson Ex ROMAD "Wakyer Eagle" news1Dpb.73$f54.53330140@newssvr11.news.prodigy. com... > fwiw, the folks up in NKP got to see some pretty sights at night. not sure > but isn't that on the Red River? > > "Ed Moise" > news:145c66a2.0311031538.6fee3066@posting.google.c om... > > MrStrong65@hotmail.com (Mike) wrote in message > news:<7cfd37d2.0311021741.4430afa0@posting.google.com>... > > > I read once that American Air Force bases in Thailand were sometimes > > > attacked and that some snipers near the bases turned out to be North > > > Vietamese troops. > > > > > > Was this true ? > > > > I have not heard of any PAVN snipers around the air bases in Thailand, > > though I can't swear there were none. > > > > There were at least five attacks on those bases. > > > > The most successful was against Udorn, July 26, 1968. One American > > and one Thai were killed, and three aircraft were damaged. > > > > Three B-52s were damaged in an attack on U-Tapao January 10, 1972. > > > > It is generally believed that the forces responsible for all these > > attacks were PAVN sappers, and I see no reason to doubt that, though > > if it has ever actually been proven I have not seen the evidence. > > > > > And didn't Thailand experience a communist insurgency of it's own > > > during the Vietnam war ? > > > > Yes. > > > > > Was Vietnam a big supporter of the Thai Communist movement ? > > > > A supporter, but not a big supporter. > > > > > Did the Vietamese ever envision a Communist takeover of Thailand ? > > > > They envisioned it, but they never did much to try to bring the vision > > to reality. They were too busy with problems closer to home. > > > > Ed Moise > > |
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Re: NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
"Wakyer Eagle"
> fwiw, the folks up in NKP got to see some pretty sights at night. not sure > but isn't that on the Red River? At that point of the river, the left bank was red. Thakhek, the Laotian city opposite Nakhom Phanom had a greater population of Vietnamese than it did of Laotians. The commercial section, shops, hotels, bars and restaurants, of the Thai town of Nakhon Phanom was itself largely Vietnamese. |
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Re: NVA forces in Thailand during Vietnam war ?
In article <63323b03.0311040749.9bc827a@posting.google.com>, Dai Uy says...
> >"Wakyer Eagle" >news: > >> fwiw, the folks up in NKP got to see some pretty sights at night. not sure >> but isn't that on the Red River? > >At that point of the river, the left bank was red. I guess that would depend whether one was looking upstream or downstream... |
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