A BREAKTHROUGH IN VIETNAM AVIONIC INDUSTRY....Re: VC che^' ta.o phi co+

Radio VOA just broadcasted a piece of news that bring hope to
Vietnamese and to all persons who loved Vietnam.

A company near Hanoi (Mechanic Company of Hoa Bi`nh) tried to make a
small two places Airplane (like a piper cup) which will eventually
sell for 20,000 USD for the two places and 50,000 USD for the four
places. Local content is a low 30% but will be raised to 70% next
year. For a long time to come, the engine made by Austria will be
imported.

International investors are interested enough to put in 5 millions USD
and the majority of the production from 100 to 200 a year will be
exported when certificate of safe flyability is obtained.

Some might say it is re-inventing the wheel but I think the project
might be extremely useful in training Vietnamese mechhanics and
Engineers to exact safe production protocoles. A faulty automobile
frame might not be enough to kill you but a failed arrplane frame
certainly would.

Vietnam should also try to bild submarines for defence.

VIETNAM TIENLEN





hytran wrote in message news:...
> * Chie^'c phi co+ hai ca'nh qua.t dda^`u tie^n la('p ra'p ta.i Vie^.t
> Nam se~ thu+.c hie^.n chuye^'n bay thu+? thu+' nha^'t va`o tha'ng
> to+'i
>
> VOA, 25/8/03
>
> Chie^'c phi co+ hai ca'nh qua.t dda^`u tie^n la('p ra'p ta.i Vie^.t
> Nam se~ thu+.c hie^.n chuye^'n bay thu+? thu+' nha^'t va`o tha'ng
> to+'i. Tin cu?a Tho^ng Ta^'n Xa~ AFP cho hay Thu? tu+o'ng Vie^.t Nam
> Phan Va(n Kha?i dda~ cha^'p thua^.n du+. a'n la('p ra'p na`y ho^`i
>

Comrades EL CHIMPO, DHS and Tran Cu Ki will be so proud they would
start whistling out of their hairy anus when they hear this news!

However, the dumb VC's should have nothing to be proud about
assembling this low-performance ultra-light-grade aircraft, which is
very similar to a kite with motorcycle engines stapled/glued on. This
ultra-light is the same kind of flying toys that the Mexican rent out
in Cancun for tourists to go putt putt in! This is about the same as
assembling the clumsy bicycles with 80% components smuggled from
China.

I bet the VC technocrats managed to inflate the costs of the project a
great deal and to divert a lot of that money into their own pockets!

Fabrication and assembly of home-built aircrafts, even the
high-performance ones, are done routinely by average, non-technical
people of the free world in their garages. Some of the better ones can
fly as fast and as high as commercial jets.

The home-built Lancair IV XP is a 4-seater, pressurized
carbon-fiber-based airframe, with a 350 HP 6-cylinder Continental
turbocharged reciprocal engine. It will carry 4 people and cruise
comfortably at 350 MPH (about 580 KMPH) at 45,000 Feet (about 15,000
M). Assembly from a kit will take between 2000 to 4000 man hours
depending on the builder's skills with composite process, how much/how
complex the avionics suite is, and how fancy you want the paint and
finish to look! It requires a lot of taping, gluing, sanding,
painting, drilling holes, aligning and bolting the various airframe
parts together.

This airframe kit, including engine and basic avionics, should cost
about US$120K. After completion, I have seen advertised prices for
fly-away planes in the range of $300K to $500K.

There are also a number of new micro jet kits just came out to the
market using the small 2000-lbs thrust Williams fanjet and new digital
avionics. They have higher performance than the Lancair IV, higher
reliability and lower maintenance with the jet engine having fewer
moving parts.

The prop-driven Lancair IV has better flexbility since it can slow
down more quickly and land in shorter runways, about 3000 ft, whereas
the jets would require about 5000 ft balance field length to land
safely. That means it can land in over 5000 airfields, including
dirt/grass strips all over the US, Europe and the rest of the world.
Some pilots have taken 3 other adults for a vacation from California,
via Florida, to Mexico, Argentine, Brazil then back via Mexico to
California without any difficulty.

Meanwhile comrades Tran Cao Cui and DHS are still trying desperately
to learn how to ride their Chinese bicyles in the murderous traffic
from their mud and thatched huts to their government jobs at the
French-built buildings in Hanoi and Saigon!

When will the VC's be able to do some real engineering/techical works
and produce real goods for the people other than smuggling and
assembling Chinese bicyles?

VIETTHIET


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el_chinoboatconscience@yahoo.com (EL CHINO) wrote in message news:<2b8b88c2.0308261531.313fcaf7@posting.google.com>...
> Radio VOA just broadcasted a piece of news that bring hope to
> Vietnamese and to all persons who loved Vietnam.
>
> A company near Hanoi (Mechanic Company of Hoa Bi`nh) tried to make a
> small two places Airplane (like a piper cup) which will eventually
> sell for 20,000 USD for the two places and 50,000 USD for the four
> places. Local content is a low 30% but will be raised to 70% next
> year. For a long time to come, the engine made by Austria will be
> imported.
>
> International investors are interested enough to put in 5 millions USD
> and the majority of the production from 100 to 200 a year will be
> exported when certificate of safe flyability is obtained.
>
> Some might say it is re-inventing the wheel but I think the project
> might be extremely useful in training Vietnamese mechhanics and
> Engineers to exact safe production protocoles. A faulty automobile
> frame might not be enough to kill you but a failed arrplane frame
> certainly would.
>
> Vietnam should also try to bild submarines for defence.
>
> VIETNAM TIENLEN
>
>
>
>
>
> hytran wrote in message news:...
> > * Chie^'c phi co+ hai ca'nh qua.t dda^`u tie^n la('p ra'p ta.i Vie^.t
> > Nam se~ thu+.c hie^.n chuye^'n bay thu+? thu+' nha^'t va`o tha'ng
> > to+'i
> >
> > VOA, 25/8/03
> >
> > Chie^'c phi co+ hai ca'nh qua.t dda^`u tie^n la('p ra'p ta.i Vie^.t
> > Nam se~ thu+.c hie^.n chuye^'n bay thu+? thu+' nha^'t va`o tha'ng
> > to+'i. Tin cu?a Tho^ng Ta^'n Xa~ AFP cho hay Thu? tu+o'ng Vie^.t Nam
> > Phan Va(n Kha?i dda~ cha^'p thua^.n du+. a'n la('p ra'p na`y ho^`i
> >

It hardly can call this is a breakthough since this is just an ultra
light plane. Amateurs in the world can build them in their backyard.

Look at the Taiwanese jet fighter, built almost 20 years ago:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...taiwan/idf.htm

Here is the training airplane T-50 built by a South Korean company.
It's a joined development with an US company:

http://www.lmaeronautics.com/gallery...0_index01.html

Anh here the South Korean Main Battle Tank K1 built by Huyndai 15
years ago:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/l...ype-88-mbt.htm

Here is the new South Korean Main Battle Tank K1A1, also built by
Huyndai:

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/k1/

Vietnam must catch up these countries. Communists are too slow.

Vietnam Tien Len, Viet Cong Lui Xuong.

Minh Duc




el_chinoboatconscience@yahoo.com (EL CHINO) wrote in message news:<2b8b88c2.0308261531.313fcaf7@posting.google.com>...
> Radio VOA just broadcasted a piece of news that bring hope to
> Vietnamese and to all persons who loved Vietnam.
>
> A company near Hanoi (Mechanic Company of Hoa Bi`nh) tried to make a
> small two places Airplane (like a piper cup) which will eventually
> sell for 20,000 USD for the two places and 50,000 USD for the four
> places. Local content is a low 30% but will be raised to 70% next
> year. For a long time to come, the engine made by Austria will be
> imported.
>
> International investors are interested enough to put in 5 millions USD
> and the majority of the production from 100 to 200 a year will be
> exported when certificate of safe flyability is obtained.
>
> Some might say it is re-inventing the wheel but I think the project
> might be extremely useful in training Vietnamese mechhanics and
> Engineers to exact safe production protocoles. A faulty automobile
> frame might not be enough to kill you but a failed arrplane frame
> certainly would.
>
> Vietnam should also try to bild submarines for defence.
>
> VIETNAM TIENLEN
>
>
>
>
>
> hytran wrote in message news:...
> > * Chie^'c phi co+ hai ca'nh qua.t dda^`u tie^n la('p ra'p ta.i Vie^.t
> > Nam se~ thu+.c hie^.n chuye^'n bay thu+? thu+' nha^'t va`o tha'ng
> > to+'i
> >
> > VOA, 25/8/03
> >
> > Chie^'c phi co+ hai ca'nh qua.t dda^`u tie^n la('p ra'p ta.i Vie^.t
> > Nam se~ thu+.c hie^.n chuye^'n bay thu+? thu+' nha^'t va`o tha'ng
> > to+'i. Tin cu?a Tho^ng Ta^'n Xa~ AFP cho hay Thu? tu+o'ng Vie^.t Nam
> > Phan Va(n Kha?i dda~ cha^'p thua^.n du+. a'n la('p ra'p na`y ho^`i
> >

Is like comparing Chicken Shit With Chicken Salad.
50 years from now, it might be different.
This will depend on our genes, the good ones that allow us to develop,
progress and prosper. This we have to nurture.

The bad genes that divided us, destroyed us like the one you and your
parents, grand parents and correligionists might have, we should
extirp them or better still tolerate them if we want to nurture
democracy and tolerance.

My post of breakthrough in Avionics in Vietnam, the proper term might
be nascent light airplane fabrication in VN, did not deal with
scientific breakthrough but with a breakthrough in initiative in
taking risk in a highly complexe enterprise.
Light airplanes have to be safe, cheap to fly, easily maintained.
I don't know if Vietnam were to succeed because I have not seen
anything yet but I would not be surprise to see Vietnamese light
aircraft used for surveillance of crops, narcotraffics, training
etc... in Vietnam and in poor countries that can not afford a piper
cup costing 10 times more.


You have the [propensity to compare Vietnam now with South Korea,
Taiwan and Japan. Our Ancestors, our genes had not produced anything
in the past that allowed this kind of comparison. Forget all of the
bullshit from brainless Boatmen like you or Trongluc, Bnpham etc...
who claimed that your miserable basket case Vietzankonghoa was the
equal of Taiwan,S Korea pre 1975. It would not wash.
I however believe that Vietnamese have equally good genes that were
never exploited. Give it sometime Sirs !


MAY I ASK YOU ONE QUESTION:

WHY IS IT THAT BOATPEOPLE WHO CAME TO THE USA SPECIFICALLY IN THE
SILICON VALLEY RIGHT AT THE INCEPTION OF THE SILICON REVOLUTION AND
NOT A SINGLE ONE BOAT PEOPLE REACHED A FIRST CLASS POSITION IN THIS
INDUSTRY LIKE HUNDREDS OF CHINESE, SOUTH KOREANS AND INDIANS DID. IT
COULD BE ARGUED AT THAT TIME, THE INDUSTRY WAS IN ITS INFANCY,
EVERYBODY ARE ON THE SAME STARTING LINE AND THAT THERE ARE AS MANY
VIETNAMESE AS THERE WERE INDIANS, CHINESE AND KOREANS. SO DEAR SURS (I
TALK TO ALL BOATMEN):

WHY THERE ARE SO FEW OF YOU IN THE FINISHING LINES IF WE WERE TO
DISCOUNT THE ASSEMBLI LINE, THE TECHNICIANS (CHo^`NG TE^'c Vo+. LI).

WE HAVE TO ACCEPT OUR PRESENT LIMITATIONS BEFORE WE CAN GROW INTO
GREATNESS WE WISH TO BE





minhduc2001@MailandNews.com (Minh Duc) wrote in message news:<7d293701.0308281923.5d06c969@posting.google.com>...
> It hardly can call this is a breakthough since this is just an ultra
> light plane. Amateurs in the world can build them in their backyard.
>
> Look at the Taiwanese jet fighter, built almost 20 years ago:
>
> http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...taiwan/idf.htm
>
> Here is the training airplane T-50 built by a South Korean company.
> It's a joined development with an US company:
>
> http://www.lmaeronautics.com/gallery...0_index01.html
>
> Anh here the South Korean Main Battle Tank K1 built by Huyndai 15
> years ago:
>
> http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/l...ype-88-mbt.htm
>
> Here is the new South Korean Main Battle Tank K1A1, also built by
> Huyndai:
>
> http://www.army-technology.com/projects/k1/
>
> Vietnam must catch up these countries. Communists are too slow.
>
> Vietnam Tien Len, Viet Cong Lui Xuong.
>
> Minh Duc
>
>
>
>
> el_chinoboatconscience@yahoo.com (EL CHINO) wrote in message news:<2b8b88c2.0308261531.313fcaf7@posting.google.com>...
> > Radio VOA just broadcasted a piece of news that bring hope to
> > Vietnamese and to all persons who loved Vietnam.
> >
> > A company near Hanoi (Mechanic Company of Hoa Bi`nh) tried to make a
> > small two places Airplane (like a piper cup) which will eventually
> > sell for 20,000 USD for the two places and 50,000 USD for the four
> > places. Local content is a low 30% but will be raised to 70% next
> > year. For a long time to come, the engine made by Austria will be
> > imported.
> >
> > International investors are interested enough to put in 5 millions USD
> > and the majority of the production from 100 to 200 a year will be
> > exported when certificate of safe flyability is obtained.
> >
> > Some might say it is re-inventing the wheel but I think the project
> > might be extremely useful in training Vietnamese mechhanics and
> > Engineers to exact safe production protocoles. A faulty automobile
> > frame might not be enough to kill you but a failed arrplane frame
> > certainly would.
> >
> > Vietnam should also try to bild submarines for defence.
> >
> > VIETNAM TIENLEN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > hytran wrote in message news:...
> > > * Chie^'c phi co+ hai ca'nh qua.t dda^`u tie^n la('p ra'p ta.i Vie^.t
> > > Nam se~ thu+.c hie^.n chuye^'n bay thu+? thu+' nha^'t va`o tha'ng
> > > to+'i
> > >
> > > VOA, 25/8/03
> > >
> > > Chie^'c phi co+ hai ca'nh qua.t dda^`u tie^n la('p ra'p ta.i Vie^.t
> > > Nam se~ thu+.c hie^.n chuye^'n bay thu+? thu+' nha^'t va`o tha'ng
> > > to+'i. Tin cu?a Tho^ng Ta^'n Xa~ AFP cho hay Thu? tu+o'ng Vie^.t Nam
> > > Phan Va(n Kha?i dda~ cha^'p thua^.n du+. a'n la('p ra'p na`y ho^`i
> > >