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Combat troops after 1973
There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. What do you think? |
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Re: Combat troops after 1973
Matt Osborn wrote:
> > There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being > wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates > wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit > operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. > > What do you think? Does recovery of MIA remains count as small unit operations? But then, I never heard of any of the teams from the Hawaii lab being wounded recovering remains. |
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Re: Combat troops after 1973
"Richard Rongstad" news:403D4BF3.3370E0D7@NOSPAMvikiingphoenix.com... > Matt Osborn wrote: > > > > There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being > > wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates > > wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit > > operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. > > > > What do you think? > > Does recovery of MIA remains count as small unit operations? > > But then, I never heard of any of the teams from the Hawaii lab > being wounded recovering remains. There was one incident in which an Army captain was killed on MIA recovery operations. Quoted from LTC (USAF, Ret) Paul Mather's book, "MIA: Accounting for the Missing in Southeast Asia:" QUOTE . . . (pp. 22 -23 ) . . . In early December 1973, another JCRC (Joint Casualty Resolution Center) field activity began. The site of interest, a helicopter crashsite, was located approximately 20 kilometers southwest of Saigon in an area of rice and pineapple fields, low trees, and brush. The rice fields, abandoned for a number of years, had grown up with tall grass and weeds but were still flooded with knee-deep water and mud. Captain Richard Rees, the JCRC field team leader on this operation, flew with his team to the crash site aboard FPJMT-marked (Four-Party Joint Military Team) helicopters on the morning of December 13. . . . On the morning of the third day, 15 December, Rees and his team again boarded the FPLMT helicopters at Tan Son Nhut airport in Saigon for the short 15-minute flight back to the crashsite. . . . The first of three helicopters hovered down to a landing. Touching down gently, Rees and his men hopped out as the Vietnamese pilot held the craft stable on the dike. The other two helicopters commenced their landings adjacent to the first. Suddenly a Communist B-40 rocket-propelled grenade exploded against the first helicopter, setting it afire and fatally wounding one of the Vietnamese crewmen. Though hit by shrapnel, the other two helicopters immediately took to the air to escape a similar fate. With their means of escape gone, Captain Rees and his unarmed team were at the mercy of the automatic weapons fire which the Viet Cong ambushers now raked across the paddy field. Rees and his men threw themselves down into the knee-deep water, hoping that the weeds and old paddy dikes would provide some degree of cover from the ambushers' fire. Captain Rees quickly realized that they were totally at the mercy of their attackers . . . In a final courageous gamble to save his team, Rees stood up with his hands raised, and shouted in Vietnamese to the attackers to stop their firing because his men were unarmed. His shout was immediately answered by a volley of fire from the brush at the edge of the paddy, and Captain Rees fell dead in the water. . . . the Viet Cong quickly withdrew from the scene leaving behind one American killed and four team members wounded, one Vietnamese killed and three wounded, and one helicopter destroyed. END QUOTE There were two Marines killed in the evacuation of Saigon whose remains were moved to the morgue at the Adventist Hospital in Saigon and later repatriated. Anything's possible -- BUT -- the Commies took over the end of April 1975 and there were certainly no US small unit operations after that. If he joined in January, he would still have gone through BCT and AIT before being assigned to Vietnam as a slick sleeve private -- I doubt it. -- ---- Joe S. |
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Re: Combat troops after 1973
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1923 -0600, Matt Osborn
> >There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being >wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates >wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit >operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. > >What do you think? Marines at the Mayaquez incident comes to mind, but no doggies on that one or even Delta Force. Does he claim he was Delta? I think he's bullshitting in any case. "But now is the time for the younger men to lock in rough encounters, time for me to yield to the pains of old age. But there was a day I shone among the champions." Homer, The Illiad, 23.715-719 (800 BC). King Nestor of Pylos. |
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Re: Combat troops after 1973
"patricktee" news:8flq305fie9dkbkl1ptdl813dt699oj2u2@4ax.com... > On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1923 -0600, Matt Osborn > > > > > >There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being > >wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates > >wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit > >operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. > > > >What do you think? > > Marines at the Mayaquez incident comes to mind, but no doggies on that > one or even Delta Force. Does he claim he was Delta? I think he's > bullshitting in any case. > "But now is the time for the younger men to lock in rough encounters, > time for me to yield to the pains of old age. But there was a day I shone among the champions." > > Homer, The Illiad, 23.715-719 (800 BC). King Nestor of Pylos. The Mayaquez incident involved USMC, USN, USAF and US Army personnel. The Army personnel were from the 7th Radio Research Field Station (7th RRFS) (US Army Security Agency Field Station Thailand - USM-7). Three enlisted men were killed, all Voice Intercept Operators (Cambodian/Vietnamese Language) when a USAF CH54 crashed (Callsign Knife 51). Their identities were kept classified "confidential" for several years after the incident because it was believed that revelation of their names and military affiliation would compromise the classification of the 7th RRFS ... notwithstanding the fact that the AN/FLR-9 Antenna System ("The Elephant Cage" was visible from space and is an antenna only used for SIGNINT. There are a number of interesting web sites up which describe the incident. Recently, the remains of a number of the men missing from one of the help crashes were repatriated by the Cambodians. I listened to the intercepted voice traffic during the incident from the Watch Officer's station inside "The Box" (the SIGINT operations facility) at the 7th RRFS. The Voice people had patched the US UHF, VHF and SSB traffic over the stations PA system so everyone could listen. IT was gruesome. The Knife 51 crash was not "counted" as a casualty of the incident for many years because it crashed in Thailand and thus the bureaucrats were able to truthfully say that it didn't crash as a result of "enemy action". Typical. HTH, YMMV Dave |
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Re: Combat troops after 1973
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 0802 -0600, "CWO4 Dave Mann"
> >"patricktee" >news:8flq305fie9dkbkl1ptdl813dt699oj2u2@4ax.com... >> On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1923 -0600, Matt Osborn >> >> >> > >> >There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being >> >wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates >> >wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit >> >operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. >> > >> >What do you think? >> >> Marines at the Mayaquez incident comes to mind, but no doggies on that >> one or even Delta Force. Does he claim he was Delta? I think he's >> bullshitting in any case. >> "But now is the time for the younger men to lock in rough encounters, >> time for me to yield to the pains of old age. But there was a day I shone >among the champions." >> >> Homer, The Illiad, 23.715-719 (800 BC). King Nestor of Pylos. > >The Mayaquez incident involved USMC, USN, USAF and US Army personnel. The >Army personnel were from the 7th Radio Research Field Station (7th RRFS) (US >Army Security Agency Field Station Thailand - USM-7). Three enlisted men >were killed, all Voice Intercept Operators (Cambodian/Vietnamese Language) >when a USAF CH54 crashed (Callsign Knife 51). Their identities were kept >classified "confidential" for several years after the incident because it >was believed that revelation of their names and military affiliation would >compromise the classification of the 7th RRFS ... notwithstanding the fact >that the AN/FLR-9 Antenna System ("The Elephant Cage" was visible from space >and is an antenna only used for SIGNINT. There are a number of interesting >web sites up which describe the incident. Recently, the remains of a number >of the men missing from one of the help crashes were repatriated by the >Cambodians. I listened to the intercepted voice traffic during the incident >from the Watch Officer's station inside "The Box" (the SIGINT operations >facility) at the 7th RRFS. The Voice people had patched the US UHF, VHF and >SSB traffic over the stations PA system so everyone could listen. IT was >gruesome. The Knife 51 crash was not "counted" as a casualty of the >incident for many years because it crashed in Thailand and thus the >bureaucrats were able to truthfully say that it didn't crash as a result of >"enemy action". Typical. > > >HTH, YMMV > >Dave > I didn't mean to slight anyone that was involved. I do remember reading an article on the net or something about it quite a while back but I guess it didn't register. thanks "But now is the time for the younger men to lock in rough encounters, time for me to yield to the pains of old age. But there was a day I shone among the champions." Homer, The Illiad, 23.715-719 (800 BC). King Nestor of Pylos. |
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Re: Combat troops after 1973
"CWO4 Dave Mann"
> "patricktee" > news:8flq305fie9dkbkl1ptdl813dt699oj2u2@4ax.com... > > On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 1923 -0600, Matt Osborn > > > > > > > > > >There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being > > >wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates > > >wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit > > >operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. > > > > > >What do you think? > > > > Marines at the Mayaquez incident comes to mind, but no doggies on that > > one or even Delta Force. Does he claim he was Delta? I think he's > > bullshitting in any case. > > "But now is the time for the younger men to lock in rough encounters, > > time for me to yield to the pains of old age. But there was a day I shone > among the champions." > > > > Homer, The Illiad, 23.715-719 (800 BC). King Nestor of Pylos. > > The Mayaquez incident involved USMC, USN, USAF and US Army personnel. The > Army personnel were from the 7th Radio Research Field Station (7th RRFS) (US > Army Security Agency Field Station Thailand - USM-7). Three enlisted men > were killed, all Voice Intercept Operators (Cambodian/Vietnamese Language) > when a USAF CH54 crashed (Callsign Knife 51). Their identities were kept > classified "confidential" for several years after the incident because it > was believed that revelation of their names and military affiliation would > compromise the classification of the 7th RRFS ... notwithstanding the fact > that the AN/FLR-9 Antenna System ("The Elephant Cage" was visible from space > and is an antenna only used for SIGNINT. There are a number of interesting > web sites up which describe the incident. Recently, the remains of a number > of the men missing from one of the help crashes were repatriated by the > Cambodians. I listened to the intercepted voice traffic during the incident > from the Watch Officer's station inside "The Box" (the SIGINT operations > facility) at the 7th RRFS. The Voice people had patched the US UHF, VHF and > SSB traffic over the stations PA system so everyone could listen. IT was > gruesome. The Knife 51 crash was not "counted" as a casualty of the > incident for many years because it crashed in Thailand and thus the > bureaucrats were able to truthfully say that it didn't crash as a result of > "enemy action". Typical. > > > HTH, YMMV > > Dave Some links about what Koh Tang Island in Cambodia looks like today are on http://rectravel.com/shv/kohtang.htm |
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Re: Combat troops after 1973
Matt Osborn
> >There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being >wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates >wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit >operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. > >What do you think? I think they've been watching too many movies . . . . and believing them. Doug |
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Re: Combat troops after 1973
"Matt Osborn" news:cjiq305gksg7ab0loa381hkgjbohfgdlis@4ax.com... > > There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being > wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates > wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit > operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. > > What do you think? I think that if he joined the army in 1975, and got to Vietnam before Saigon fell, he was a fast-moving sunken ditch. ted |
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Re: Combat troops after 1973
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Posted by: Matt Osborn > >There is a fellow claiming to have joined the Army in 1975 and being >wounded in the knee in Viet Nam. I suggested that he had his dates >wrong, but he and two others insist that the US continued small unit >operations in Vietnam after the Paris treaty. > >What do you think? Yes. You'd see them all over. We even had KIA in '74, not? I saw a dead round eye in an ambulance that picked me up hitch hiking near Phan Rang in about mid '74 or so... I spoze he coulda been a spook. Cam Rhan was still very occupied and the place was crawling with contractors... and various vultures like reporters. Jones Jones |
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