Terry Schiavo's so called husband

[David]

One point no one has made yet in this post is the current state of medicine vs. the state of medicine when Mrs. Schiavo was first admitted. She has not even had an MRI or PET scan. The world of medicine is rapidly changing and there are events on the horizon that boggle the mind and will have our government more involved then ever in such decisions. The realm of genetic medicine is already in hot debate as well as clone technology for limb and organ procurement. God help us all with the knowledge he has seen fit to reveal to us. I think Robert Ryan said it best, may God watch over Mrs. Schiavo, and grant her and her family peace.

[1CAVCCO15MED]

From my experience vegetative states do not interact in any way with their environment. In the absence of a living will, the family or one member with WRITTEN power of attorney can approve taking the person off a ventilator in the case of brain death. Only a living will signed by the person can stop food and drink to a scentient person. To be crude, I could go right up to that woman and slap the hell out of her and she would bawl her eyes out. But that would be cruel.

[SuperScout]

It is becoming blazingly clear whichis the party of death, and which is the party of life. As for me and my family, we will choose the Lord, and life.

[MORTARDUDE]

her husband sounds like a loser..i wonder if she has life insurance and who gets it ? an interesting article..

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...erricaneat.htm

Nurse: Terri Can Eat Normally

Newsmax/Carl Limbacher | March 21 2005

A certified nursing assistant who cared for Terri Schiavo in 1997 filed a sworn affidavit in the case stating that she was able to feed Schiavo normally on multiple occasions - but that husband Michael Schiavo would allow only a feeding tube.

Heidi Law, a CNA at the Palm Gardens nursing home, testified:

"At least three times during any shift where I took care of Terri, I made sure to give Terri a wet washcloth filled with ice chips, to keep her mouth moistened. I personally saw her swallow the ice water and never saw her gag.
"[Another CNA] and I frequently put orange juice or apple juice in her washcloth to give her something nice to taste, which made her happy. On three or four occasions I personally fed Terri small mouthfuls of Jello, which she was able to swallow and enjoyed immensely."

Law testified that the only reason she didn't attempt to feed Ms. Schiavo more frequently was "because I was so afraid of being caught by Michael."

Editorializing on the case in light of Law's account, the Pittsburgh Post Gazette said Sunday, "It is one thing to withdraw a feeding tube; another entirely to withhold that day's meal tray."

Carla Sauer Iyer was a registered nurse at the same facility. In her own affidavit Iyer testified that Ms. Schiavo was capable of speech, explaining, "[Terri] spoke on a regular basis, saying such things as 'Mommy' and 'help me.'"

When she put a washcloth in Terri's hands to keep her fingers from curling together, Iyer said, "Michael saw it and made me take it out, saying that was therapy" that he had forbidden.

"Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused on Terri's death," the RN noted. "Michael would say 'When is she going to die?' 'Has she died yet?' and 'When is that bitch gonna die?'"

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[Tina]

you know this is one of these subjects that i really need not post to.. Cause of my feelings on this.. But I will say this.. After hearing the story and fowling up on it.. Mom Dad and I have had a nice long talk on this subject.. It has been made clear that I will NEVER be put on any machine or tubes to stay alive.. If they need organs I am to be put on a machine so they can have my organs then I come off.. I have a living will say the same thing.. I repeat I will NEVER be put on tubes or machines to keep me alive.. All machines and tubes do is make the family suffer that much more..and I don't give 2 shits on who has or has not gone on with his or her lives.. they still suffer..
thats all I have to say on this subject..

love you all
Your friend and God Bless,
Tina

[Arrow]

David's post in regard to Terry's not being treated with the very best of medical care wouldcause me to question even farther the motive's of her husband. I heard a doctor say tonight that thirty-three doctors including himself testified that this woman can be rehabilitated that there are children in school in worst shape than Terry.Her sister stated tonight that for the first two years herhusband took her to specialist until the malpractice suit was settled and he hookedup with the woman he is living with now.From that point on he used the money won in the malpractice suit not to rehabilitate Terry but to fight for her death.

Steve asked where we were when all this was taking place with thousands of others. My only answer is asleep at the wheel. Now that we are awake are we suppose to sit on our hands and raise no objection?

All the Congress has done is to ask a federal judge to uphold the civil rights of Terry. We afford as much to serial killers. Why not an innocent woman?

If we are determined to go about killinginnocent people in this countryas Scamp suggestedshould we not find a more humane way to do it? How about a bullet to the brain? Stories abound of Vietnam Veterans that have gone out this way rather than die a long slow death. My brother thoughtabout it many times.David is right we go down this trail it's nothing but a slide to the bottom.

I pray for mercy and peace for this beautiful lady and her loving family. Amen

Arrow>>>>>

[Gimpy]

(and others)........... FYI.

If you go to google and type-- "Patrica J. Anderson" notary public--and go to the last option "Please communicate with your representatives about this case and"--Some very interesting material comes up, including 3 affidavits from nurses or aides charging neglect and abuse inflicted upon Terri Schiavo by Michael Schiavo. According to these complaints Michael Schiavo is a monster, indeed. (I don't believe it!)

I have a few problems with the credibility of these affidavits. The 3 women, Heidi Law, Carla Iyer, and Carolyn Johnson all worked at Palm Gardens Nursing Home between 1993 to 1997. If they were so concerned about Terri's abuse, why did they all wait until the 28th, 29th and 30th of August 2003 to speak out?

Don't they have an ethical and professional obligation to come forward at the time this type of abuse is being inflicted? Why now? Where's the proof? If Iyer really contacted the police, wouldn't there be a public record of this? How come the others didn't call the police? Employees named Olga and Carolyn Adams are mentioned. I'd sure like to hear their version of this.

Who is Patricia J. Anderson, Notary Public? What is her interest in all of this.

If all the Schindlers' accusations concerning the sinister motives of Michael Schiavo and the inhumane treatment he has provided for Terri were true, wouldn't she be dead, or at best in terrible physical condition by now?

This is straight from the affidavit:

"Michael would say "When is she going to die?,"
"Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" These
statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would
make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was
talking to, as long as it was a staff member"

Iyer is the only ex-employee of Palm Gardens to made this claim. Law and Adams didn't mention this in their affidavits. This could be extremely damning against Michael Schiavo if he really said it. How come Iyer is the only one claiming he said it, now, 7 years later? Supposedly, many staff members heard it, too. Am I supposed to believe that every staff member at Palm Gardens (except Law and Adams who didn't hear Michael call Terri a bitch) are complicit in the abuse and neglect of Terri Schiavo? They're all evil? What?

I think the Schindlers are really sick messed up people. There are no limits to what they're willing to do in order to avoid the pain of letting go of their daughter. They could certainly use the services of a grief counselor. This is very sad. So tragic.

These affidavits come across to me as a pack of lies, exaggerations, and fabrications.

And, 3 professional caretakers who come forward charging Michael Schiavo with vicious accusations of neglect and abuse, 7-10 years after the incidents allegedly transpired, bringing them to public awareness through last minute affidavits arranged by Terri's desperate parents, are definitely worthy of arrousing suspicion of malicious intent.

Why hasn't some judge acted on these supposedly "truthful affidavits"??

Just about a week ago on our local ABC-TV afiliate station here in Tampa a local ancorman (Brendan McLaughlin) interviewed Heidi Law and pretty much tore her a new a$$hole while she stuttered and stammered her way through her obviously "rehearsed" and much "practiced" tales of untruths!

The very next week another nurse that worked with Heidi Law came forward on the same TV show with Brendan McLaughlin and reported that nurse Law had told lie after lie to her supervisors regarding her work performance and Mrs. Law was subsequently found to be guilty of professional misconduct and then fired for it. She had copies of notes and correspondence to prove her case. The woman (Heidi Law) is obviously a habitual lier and malcontent according to several of her co-workers.

Regarding the affidavits signed by the nurses, I have to point out that I ran a search in the Pinellas County Court system and found thatCarla Iyer has had her own experiences in the Court. It seems that one of the facilities had to take her to Court to get back money that she "borrowed". Sounds like she's a real "reliable" source for use in an avidavit to prove "credibility", HUH?

The Court found her credibility to be lacking and so do I. Honorable George Greer is a good judge of character and a smart and fair man. He does not miss much.

People will lie in an affidavit and swear by it. It happens all the time for a myriad of reasons. My experience as a manager involved with discharged employee cases sent before arbitrators where lies and misrepresentation of facts were frequently common and usually "smoked out" by a good, hardnosed interogator and law adjudicator. As they were in the case, as it certainly appears.

PS-----Sparrow (and others), I wonder why the folks doin all that screaming and hollering for Terry weren't doing the same for that little 5-month old black child in Texas that had it's "feeding tube" removed yeasterday and died shortly thereafter?

I'll tell you why, because that consortium of right wing, ultra-conservative foundations with $2 billion in total assets really could care less about that little 5 month old black child in Texas........did you see Tom Delay (R-Texas) speaking out for that child? Or calling that childs Mother a "murderer" like he did Michael Schiavo? I think not!

Nope..........cause THAT child could not get the "money train" funding that the religious right has funneled into Terry Schiavo's case AND Tom Delays re-election campaign......THAT'S why! We should ALL be outraged and disgusted that these so-called "civil servants" and are so "UN-civil"!

Well...I'm likely to wish I hadn't jumped off into this.I've been tryin to swear off discussing politics and religion with my brothers and sisters on this site and this is both.Would much rather get off into such stuff with folks I don't especially like and who's opnions and feelings could matter less to me.On the other hand,I've spent considerable time goin tooth and nail with Gimpy so now I feel duty bound to side him on those rare occasions when he's right.This is one of them.

The truly horrible thing about this issue is that it has become a national issue with politicians jumping in to areas that are none of their business.Hard enough to get politicians to take a decent shot at doin their job much less letin em wander around pokein their nose whereever they take a notion.Their haveing done so is certain to cause great harm to a large number of people and cannot help the lady/corpse in question.She can only be condemed to die badly or to live a horrible,demeaning,posibly agonizeing,likely unwanted parody of life.Sorry folks,there AIN'T no GOOD choice here and there ain't no Easter bunny.

Another hard reality that seems to be getting lost here is that there is only so much medical care and money to go around.How many millions of dollars should be spent trying to give a corpse a semblence of life?Sound cold?Nope,cold is forgetting about all those folks with little money and no insurance who have sat at home and died rather than put their family in debt to the point they could never climb out;who have been willing to risk death rather than surely takeing the roof from over their childrens' heads.
How many of those folks could have been saved to lead
useful,productive,happy lives over the last 15 years for a fraction of the money and resourses wasted?
I'm a big believer in individual freedom.That includes the freedom to make decisions concerning life support and heroic measures or the lack thereof and haveing them honored.I'm not all that interested in dying in the first place,and I'm DAMN sure not interested in haveing to do it 2-3-4 times!But time after time I've seen that happen to terminally ill/injuried patients despite liveing wills and expressed wishes.Some doctors/nurses/family members/hospitals/nurseing homes simply refuse to abide by the wishes of the patient.This case and the government's reaction to it is just bound to make this bad situation even worse and thereby cause additional pointless suffering.

[PHO127]

I think Terrys husband is doing what a husband of conscious should be. He is defending his wifes wishes as he sees them regardless of what others may think. If he wanted out all he has to do is turn over Terrys to her parents. They have already stated they would care for her. To you MORONS that espouse that this is a pain full death, When a feeding tube is removed the person is put on a morphine drip, THERE IS NO PAIN OR SUFFERING, as callous as you may think some people are in these matters a pain full death would not be allowed

[SuperScout]

When information was brought to the district attorney in the area concerning Terri's injuries, Terri's brother was told that the statue of limitations had already run out, so no official investigation was conducted on the alleged abuses committed on Terri by her so-called husband. We don't know for certain if Terri's wish was as her so-called husband alleges. If she was planning on divorcing him, as was reorted last night, I doubt that she would want his sorry ass speaking for her now. I think he is an abusive, controlling loser, and didn't have the balls to kill her like Scott Peterson did his wife, and is now hoping the State will do it for him. And remember folks, she wasn't on life support, a vastly different subject than a feeding tube.