Chinese Navy Confronted USS Kitty Hawk

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Chinese Navy Confronted USS Kitty Hawk
The Chinese navy is building new deadly ships with all this money our rich companies are giving them to build goods for them to sell at Wal-Mart and Kmart . The Chinese are not our friends and the fools that run the job moving lobby better wake up before they lose there fancy houses and money.

Chinese Navy Confronted USS Kitty Hawk

Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:07 AM

By: Newsmax Staff



A Chinese attack submarine and destroyer confronted the U.S. carrier Kitty Hawk and its battle group in the Taiwan Strait, sparking a tense 28-hour standoff that brought both sides to a battle-ready position.

The American ships were heading to Japan following China’s sudden cancellation of a scheduled Thanksgiving port call in Hong Kong when they encountered the Chinese vessels, according to the Navy Times, which cited a report in a Chinese-language newspaper in Taiwan.

The Times reported that the encounter caused the carrier group “to halt and ready for battle, as the Chinese vessels also stopped amid the 28-hour confrontation.”

The encounter ended without incident, however, and the U.S. ships continued on to Japan. The two Chinese vessels were also headed for a port call in Japan.

The Chinese destroyer, Shenzhen, is armed with anti-ship missiles, while the Song-class attack sub is equipped with anti-ship missiles and a variety of torpedoes.

China has expressed “grave concern” to the U.S. over the Kitty Hawk’s transit through the Taiwan Strait, the Times notes. Beijing claims Taiwan is Chinese territory.

But Admiral Timothy Keating, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, told reporters Tuesday: “We don’t need China’s permission to go through the Taiwan Strait. We will exercise our free right of passage whenever and wherever we choose.”

Shortly before the Kitty Hawk battle group was denied entry to Hong Kong, China had refused safe harbor for two U.S. Navy minesweepers seeking refuge from a storm.

As Newsmax has reported, some U.S. politicians have rung alarm bells about China's increased military spending and technological revamping of its armed forces.

China’s military budget had an average annual growth rate of nearly 16 percent from 1994 to 2004, and China's reported 2006 military budget is about $35 billion, according to Beijing.

But Pentagon sources have said these numbers fail to demonstrate the true scope of the growth, and the real 2006 figure could be as much as $105 billion.

In recent years China has upgraded its nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles; bought state-of-the-art warships, fighter planes and submarines from Russia; and begun development of a number of so-called "asymmetrical" weapons, including informational warfare and anti-satellite systems.

In November, Japanese Prime Minister Yasuo Fukuda warned that China’s continuing military buildup could eventually pose a “major threat” if the Chinese government decides to exercise its power.
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Originally Posted by TennesseeRains

I like that kinda talk!

Originally Posted by comprifleshooter

China Scares me. Maybe all the toy recalls etc. are a way to introduce the beginning. They may be doing it on purpose.

Originally Posted By: mr.big
Originally Posted By: TennesseeRains
Originally Posted By: Locksley

But Admiral Timothy Keating, head of the U.S. Pacific Command, told reporters Tuesday: “We don’t need China’s permission to go through the Taiwan Strait. We will exercise our free right of passage whenever and wherever we choose.”




I like that kinda talk!


me too ,,screw them.


Originally Posted By: Viper (tp)
My daughter was stationed in Japan,on the USS Kitty Hawk for 4 years, while she was in the navy!


Originally Posted By: comprifleshooter
China Scares me. Maybe all the toy recalls etc. are a way to introduce the beginning. They may be doing it on purpose.



Originally Posted By: Wildcat
We've had these "war games" for years, just ask the former USSR.





This is not like the USSR the Chinese are going to get control of Tiawan either by intemidation like they got Hong Kong or by fource of arms. Tiawan is where the Democratic goverment of China went to when they lost the last big battle with the Commies on the mainland. The Commies want to kill the democratic leaders of China that are still hiding there that way they can keep there athiest devil hold on the people of China .
Mark my works down it will happen soon after or during the Olympics this summer so lots of western fools can be captured as hostages to prevent our U S Navy from preventing there ships crossing international waters to get at Tiawan.
Locksley
Originally Posted By: Eric T.
This is what is called a "probe". The ChiComms are trying to find out what we do and how to counter it.

Our CVN battlegroups usually have an SSN lurking about, covering the bottom hatch. The destroyer was nothing but MK48 bait. Our sub could make that shot without a second glance. The Song-class sub is a different story. It is diesel-electric, which means they can be as silent as a hole in the water until they move (nuke boats have coolant pumps for the reactors that run all the time). I am going to guess that it took 28 hours to get the drop on the ChiComm boat and then do the submarine equivalent of racking a pump shotgun behind the bad guy. Or maybe they just had a few hundred sonobouys ringing in their ears. Either way, the ChiComms gave our sailors some really valuable training.

I hope for the ChiComm sailors' sake, that the CVN63 BG didn't have any gator freighters deployed with them, since they were going to Japan also. Marines don't like to have their port calls delayed. Just ask GreenPeace in Australia.


Marines are always on Carriers to guard the nuclear magazines and the brig and help the masters at arms keep the trouble makers in line .
The destroyers now a days can get off a shot with there guider missiles that can take out most surface ships and any submarine they can detect. Our CVN battle - groups usually have an SSN lurking about, covering the bottom hatch alright and they have the cruise missiles for surface ships and MK-48 torpedoes for the enemy ships also.
The USS Kitty Hawk is the non nuclear twin to the USS Enterprise and is a capable ship that the Nipponese are keeping in good shape as it is the only carrier they have to support the Nipponese navy . Long live the US Navy and my God watch over our ships and men.
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[DeadlyDaring]

TAIPEI-- (Jan. 17, 2008)
A Chinese submarine tracked a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier for 28 hours in the Taiwan Strait in November, while the U.S. carrier launched an aircraft in response to prepare for any contingency, according to the Tuesday edition of Taiwan's China Times newspaper.
According to the report, the Chinese Song-class submarine was operating southeast of Taiwan on Nov. 23 and shadowed the USS Kitty Hawk, which entered the strait while returning to Yokosuka after China canceled its long-scheduled port call in Hong Kong.
The Kitty Hawk observed the Chinese submarine, and after a U.S. antisubmarine patrol aircraft confirmed the Chinese submarine was keeping pace with the U.S. carrier by reducing speed and stopping, the U.S. vessel launched an aircraft to watch for possible hostile behavior by the Chinese Navy.
It was the first direct military confrontation between the two nations' naval forces in the Taiwan Strait since 1996, when the United States dispatched two aircraft carriers to the tense waters where China conducted a series of missile tests, the report said.
A Taiwan military official told the daily the Chinese Navy was intensifying activities in waters east of Taiwan in an attempt to "make the Taiwan Strait a 'Chinese waterway.'"

Foot note;
Somewhere along the line most of the reports out, forgot to mention the Chinese destroyer Shenzhen which was doing sea trials with the Song-class sub in the strait on Nov. 23, causing the American group to halt and ready for battle and just observe.
The Chinese very well could have staged this event to make a point about the vulnerability of the Battle Group to submarine attack. The US Navy is fully aware of [those] vulnerabilities...
With the collapse of the old Soviet Navy in the early 1990s, the USN [U.S. Navy] began to de-emphasize its ASW [anti-submarine warfare] capabilities, figuring that the preeminent submarine threat had essentially evaporated, and it would take years -- perhaps decades -- for a similar challenge to emerge.
The Chinese are building a credible submarine force which will make it very difficult for the US Navy to maintain sea control dominance in or near coastal waters off of China.

[locksly]

Long live the US Navy and my God watch over our ships and men.

[locksly]

Originally Posted by Hangnail

I think about China, but until we decide to grab them by their short and curlies and show them we're not at their mercy, what good is worrying? Paying attention to whom? The liberals that will give away literally everything to be China's "friend"? Everyone better think about whom they're voting for if China is so dang important to ya. Ya better be voting for someone who has as big a pair as China does. Ain't been one of those claiming to be a Democrat since JFK. I don't think there is a Democrat in existance that would cut the head off that snake.


If China worries you, quit shopping at Walmart, K-Mart, Lowe's and Home Depot.

If China went to war with the US over Taiwan would the US be able to fight back???
Untile recently their military was built around the idea of self-defense (defending their own borders on the ground). Now their military has been building naval troop transports and other ships like crazy. Why would they need naval troop transport? First of course is the invasion of Taiwan and total control of all of China . Then to invade Japan and control all of Asias industrial output. Then to invade India by going around the mountain defenses of India and Packastan to control the other large nuclear powers in the area and get control of all those workers and military equipment.
Locksly
A NEW ERA FOR CHINESE NAVAL EXPANSION


By You Ji


The People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) will celebrate its 57th birthday in April 2006. In the last five decades it has gradually achieved a relatively respectful place in the world naval arena. Under the country’s first ocean-going naval strategy promoted by Admiral Liu Huaqing, the navy has since the late 1980s extended its combat mission from coastal defense to offshore power projection, with corresponding alterations in operational objectives, weapons R & D and battle tactics. Yet the quickest progress has been made since 2000. A new pattern of naval transformation seems to be in the making with profound regional impact.

Unprecedented Force Enlargement

In contrast to only four destroyers committed in the 1990s, four were launched in 2003/2004 alone. Below is an incomplete list of new PLAN acquisitions since 2000:

--Two Sovremennyy destroyers (136 Hangzhou and 137 Fuzhou) (2000)
--Two 052B destroyers (168 Guangzhou and 169 Wuhan) (2003)
--Two 052C destroyers (170 Lanzhou and 171 unknown) (2004)
--One 051C destroyer (115) (December 2004)
--054 frigates 525 & 526 (2003) [1].

In this decade other major combatants will also enter service that will greatly boost the PLAN’s blue-water capabilities. These include three 053H3 FFG, two 093 (SSGN-13) nuclear attack submarines (one operational), one 094 (SSBN-14) strategic nuclear missile submarine (toward the end of the trial period), one new class conventional submarine (Yuan class) and four 093 (Song class) submarines. Four more Russian-made Kilo (636) submarines will join the PLAN soon [2]. These acquisitions may have truly changed the image of the PLAN submarine fleet, previously made up of noisy, ill-equipped and accident-ridden vessels of Soviet origins, and may pose a real threat to any major naval power in the region. Although many of the ships mentioned above are not yet operational, the pattern of flat growth of the 1990s has been clearly broken.

Visible Technological Improvement

In addition to raw numbers, there is a great leap in technological improvement for the new ships. For instance, 052C destroyers are the first PLAN ships equipped with the Chinese Aegis systems and its first indigenous cool-launch Vertical Launch Systems. These provide the PLAN blue-water fleets with effective area air-defense. It is more likely that 051C will follow its identical predecessor 167 to become the command ship for the North Sea Fleet. As such, it is being installed with the advanced C4ISR (command, control, communications, computers, intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance) systems, aiming at network warfare. The difference is that 167 is an embodiment of foreign technologies, while the bulk of the systems integration equipment of 115 is self-developed by China. The Yuan class conventional submarines are tested with AIP technology, and it is much quieter than any existing Chinese submarines in the service [3].

The Chinese defense scientists have also made breakthroughs in other areas of naval technologies. Some of these include:

--Rubber insulation material used by 039, 091, 093 and 094 submarines.
--Length/width ratio of 8.5 achieved by 054 frigate (eight is western standard).
--Module design for ship-building and installation of weapons systems.
--Initial success in producing CODOG that will ensure more large ships to be committed.
--The battle-field management system based on the LINK technology [4].

The PLA would like to see its new achievements constitute a solid foundation for the naval transformation in the years ahead and ensure that the Chinese naval leap forward will not be a one-off show. In a way, the technological progress may give analysts an impression that in some military R & D areas China may have finally caught up with the tail of the current Western technology. This is against our long-held view that the technological gap between the Chinese and the West is of generations.

Trend Analysis

Such phenomenal growth both in quantity and in quality is unprecedented in PLAN history. Analysts still debate whether this change represents a normal trial/production cycle or a new era of a sharp rise for the PLAN. Whatever the answer to the debate, the stagnation of the 1990s is over. That decade witnessed PLA technological accumulation, which helps to kick off a big jump now.

On the other hand, however, have we seen the end of the era of the PLA weapons development principle in the last three decades of “maximized research but minimum equipment”? The answer to the question is of strategic importance. A yes answer will result in a relatively quick and quantitative rise in power in the navy, while the no answer will mean continued “pockets of excellence” that will hinder the PLAN’s overall transformation. One key fact is that since the last decade each destroyer class has yielded only one or two ships, a typical phenomenon of trial production. The PLAN is still considering the idea of more research, less production. China’s technological breakthroughs are being rendered obsolete in the West. The major powers can move to a new level of development sooner than expected, making the new ships in the PLAN vulnerable in a short period of time. Technologically this means that the PLAN has not come to the stage of comprehensive transformation.

Four points illustrate this lack of comprehensive transformation. First, the fact that China continues to import major weapons systems from overseas proves that it has not been able to produce key technologies of its own [5]. Second, the good progress in laboratory research has not been matched by engineering and manufacturing maturity. Thirdly, although the Navy has greatly raised its fire-power, its C4ISR interconnectibility and combat management systems are still far behind the world standard, partly due to China’s weak space and IT industries. The past stress on mechanization in force modernization (hardware) still hampers the pace of informatization. Fourthly, China’s financial situation does not allow the navy to expand quickly. Although the navy is the beneficiary of China’s priority allocation, the current level of obligated funds is hardly enough to sustain the trend of the first half of the decade in which new ships were introduced at an abnormal pace. Finally a deep transformation begins with series production of certain advanced systems. There is no sign of this if we take a detailed look of China’s new classes of warships.

Armament for Specific Targets

China’s naval modernization is not for show of force to China’s neighbors. Every class of warships—whether a submarine or a surface combatant—has clear tactical function in an envisaged sea battle. In the short- to medium-future, the combat situation for these ships are set in the country’s maritime territories, most likely in the Taiwan Strait. To be more concrete, the extensive waters to the east of Taiwan are designated as the major battle ground in which the naval vessels cannot expect effective air force support. The aircraft carrier project is largely for this purpose [6]. Before the PLAN possesses any aircraft carriers, fleet air defense becomes essential for naval operations of some duration. This is one of the reasons why the PLA has identified air warfare destroyers as the top priority for weapons development, resulting in the production of 170 and 171. In a way, they compensate for the lack of aircraft carriers. At the same time, the PLA realized that any Taiwan operation has to factor in U.S. interference. A sophisticated submarine fleet is thus regarded as more cost/effective weapons of deterrence. In addition preparation for U.S. involvement forces the Chinese to seek sufficient anti-submarine warfare (ASW) capabilities, leading the PLAN to develop large specialized warships organized in battle groups. Clearly the PLAN’s transformation is combat-driven and target-specific.

Future Development

The PLAN is still a long way off to achieving its ambition of becoming a world class navy. The prospects of war in the Taiwan Strait propel the Chinese navy to enter a fast track of modernization. The navy’s transformation is directed by possible real combat requirements that have driven its hardware and software development. The question of whether the Chinese navy is a capable one is gauged by the technologies it possesses, not by maritime strategy, such as Admiral Liu’s. Yet the continued addition of new capabilities will fill the gap between strategy and combat effectiveness. The PLAN is firmly committed to move in the direction of achieving partial superiority in a specific war situation relatively close to home waters. This will force the navy to add more advanced warships and sophisticated IW measures in the years to come. Consequently, this persistent modernization will gradually produce capabilities for long-range power projection beyond the initial combat design. The civilian leadership seems to have committed itself to providing enough national resources to this naval leap forward. Liu Huaqing’s blue-water dream may be brought to reality sooner than we expect.


Notes
1. The information of these ships can be found in journals of Jianchuan zhishi (The Naval Warships), Bingqizhishi (the study of weapons), Jane’s Defence Weekly and others. The Chinese military forums on the internet also provide many useful details.
2. The information about 093, 094 and 039 submarines has been widely available in Western defense journals, such as Jane’s. As for the number of kilos, it varies from different sources. China acquired four in its first deal with the Russians in the 1990s. Another contract of eight was signed in 2002. The number ‘four’ indicates the first delivery of the second acquisition. CRS Report (RL 30700) has detailed analysis on Sino-Russian military cooperation.
3. There is much discussion on these new warships in the military forums in both China’s and Taiwan’s websites. Some of these, e.g., the AIP technology in Yuan (041) and the Chinese Aegis system in 170, have been published by Beijing’s primary magazine on maritime affairs Jianchuang zhishi (The naval warships). See, for instance, the journal’s no. 6, 2005, pp. 11-12.
4. The details of these can be found on Chinese military forums on the internet, such as http://www3.bbsland.com/cgi-bin/military.cgi and http://www.excitecity.com/china/chat/military .
5. Richard Bitzinger, “Dual-use Technologies, Civil-Military Integration, and China’s Defense Industry,” in Nan Li (ed.), Chinese Civil-Military Relations: Transformation of the People’s Liberation Army, Routledge 2006.
6. Admiral Liu Huaqing, The Memoirs of Liu Huqing, Beijing: PLA Publishing House, 2004.
7. Lyle Goldstein and William Murray, “Undersea Dragons: China’s Maturing Submarine Force,” International Security, Vol. 28, No. 4, Spring 2004
http://www.jamestown.org/publication...cle_id=2370827
Strategic Shift In Chinese Naval Strategy In Indian Ocean

Dr Vijay Sakhuja
Senior Fellow, Observer Research Foundation



Early this month, a Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) flotilla comprising a missile destroyer, Shenzhen and a depot ship Weishanhu under the command of Rear Admiral Han Linzhi, Deputy Commander, South Sea Fleet (SSF) left Zanjiang, and sailed for the Indian Ocean. The flotilla will call at ports in Pakistan, India and Thailand. According to Chinese media reports, the voyage will last more than 40 days and the ships would cover some 10,000 nautical miles. The ships are programmed to undertake joint naval exercises with the navies of these countries. Interestingly, Shenzhen, an indigenously built destroyer has visited 11 countries in four previous deployments indicating the Chinese attempts at displaying their ability to build modern vessels.

http://www.ipcs.org/Military_article...status=article
China

China's new naval strategy
STRATFOR.COM
Global Intelligence Update
January 26, 2000

Summary

In the first exercise of its kind, the Chinese People's Liberation Army/Navy (PLAN) conducted maneuvers involving several small missile craft more than 250 nautical miles from the Chinese mainland. Although the PLAN has openly aspired to develop an ocean- going capacity, most of its efforts have focused on acquiring a larger number of major surface vessels capable of long-range deployments. It seems that now, faced with an unstable security environment and an uncertain economy making it difficult to purchase new major surface combatants, the PLAN may have found a way to utilize its fleet of small attack craft as an effective and less costly - though less capable - interim solution.

Analysis

A formation of Chinese light combat vessels recently engaged in a combined naval exercise more than 250 nautical miles from the country's coast, reported the Jiefangjun Bao newspaper on January 17. It was the first time these types of vessels - including fast guided- missile ships, escort vessels, submarine chasers and corvettes - had conducted exercises outside coastal waters
http://www.atimes.com/china/BA27Ad05.html

For decades specialists in America argued about this, with the consensus being that China would not emphasize her military. The rationale for this view was that, given its immense and impoverished population, China would emphasize above all peaceful economic development and the improvement of living standards. Furthermore, it was noted, China faced no security threats, so spending money on the military would make no sense. Some people, this author among them, questioned the consensus opinion but were always a small minority.

That minority, however, has turned out to be right, while the previous consensus is now clearly proven to be wrong. China is engaged in an enormously ambitious and expensive military build up, that includes not only (or even primarily) defensive weapons, but rather signals by its structure a concern with force projection, amphibious operations, and so forth.
http://www.strategycenter.net/resear...pub_detail.asp

Abstract:

The naval strategy of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) and Navy (PLAN) closely integrates China's conventional forces with nuclear weapons in a warfighting role, the combination of which is intended to threaten or cause massive U.S. casualties. In reality, however, Chinese air and naval capabilities are quite modest and the PLA may suffer heavy attrition in the early days of a Sino-U.S. conflict. China's conventional options will become scarce and nuclear weapons may be seen as the only way to win or save face. A highly unstable situation will result when China is faced with the choice between defeat or nuclear usage.
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/conten...00005/art00003

[Robert Ryan]

I was on the Kitty Hawk during the Irnaian hostage crisis. We went to the Indian Ocean along with the Midway battle group and took turns being on station incase military action was going to be taken. Got relieved by the USS Nimitz battle group after 76 days at sea.

[DeadlyDaring]

Chinese Fleet Dec 2006

Here is the current list of Frigates, Destroyers and Submarines in the PLAN.

The lastest additions over the year before are the Type-51C air defence ships, More Song class submarines, the 8 other Kilo submarines and the induction of the 052C/052B into service. The Past year has seen quite a number of ships enter PLAN service and others have been sent to get their MLU. Other rumours has been the 094 ballistic missile submarine which apparantly has been under sea trials according to a photo released. Other big movers has been the FAC which might number around 40-50 craft at last count

Destroyers

16 - Type 051 Luda class
C-803 Antiship missile, HQ-7 SAM in 8 cell confirguration

2 - Type 052 Luhu class
16 C-803 Antiship missiles, HQ-7 SAM in 8 cell confirguration

1 - Type 051B Luhai class
16 C-803 Antiship missiles, HQ-7 SAM in 8 cell confirguration

2 - Type 052B Guangzhou class
16 C-803 Antiship missiles, 48 SA-N-12 SAM

2 - Type 052C Lanzhou class
8 YJ-62 Antiship missiles, 48 HHQ-9 SAM

2 - Type 051C Luzhou class
16 C-803 Antiship missiles, 48 RIF-M missiles

2 - Project 956 Sovremenny class
8 Moskit Antiship missiles, SA-N-7 SAM

1 - Project 956EM Sovremenny class
8 Moskit Antiship missiles, Kashtan Air defence system

Total number of destroyers = 28
Total number of Anti-ship missiles = 168 (Excluding 14 Luda class ships)

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Frigates

12 - Type 053H Jianghu I class
5 - Type 053H1 Jianghu II class
1 - Type 053HT-H Jianghu IV class
6 - Type 053H1G Jianghu V class

3 - Type 053H2 Jianghu III class
8 C-801 Anti-ship missiles

4 - Type 053H2G Jiangwei I class
6 C-801 Antiship missiles, 6 Cell HQ-61B SAM

10 - Type 053H3 Jiangwei II class
8 C-803 Antiship missiles, HQ-7 SAM in 8 cell confirguration

2 - Type 054 Ma'anshan class
8 C-803 Antiship missiles, HQ-7 SAM in 8 cell confirguration

2 - Type 054A (under construction)
8 C-803 Antiship missiles, HQ-7 SAM in a VLS configuration (unconfirmed)

Total number of Frigates = 45 Ships
Total number of Anti-ship missiles = 160 (Excluding 24 Jianghu class ships)

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Conventional submarines

20 ~ Type 033 Romeo-class
17 - Type 035 Ming-class

12 - Type 039A/G Song-class
Capable of firing C-80X series of missiles while submerged

12 - Kilo-class
Klub-S missle system

1 - Yuan-class

Total number of conventional submarines = 62

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Nuclear Submarines

5 - Han class SSN
Capable of firing C-80X series of missiles while submerged

1 - Xia class SSBN
16 JL-1 ballistic missiles

Total number of nuclear submarines = 6

WHY WOULD CHINA BUILD SUCH A LARGE FLEET QUICKLY.. TAIWAN???
Hidden adgenda... The exact same reason why the U.S. has such a powerful navy.

Controlling the seas is the desire of every nation.


Beam me up Scotty... I'm outta of here!

[Robert Ryan]

Seems our Navy is going to have to build more ships than planned now.

[Boats]

Mr. Ryan I was also on the Kitty but it seems so long ago. I was also on the Bon Homme Richard and the American. Before that I was on the Salisbury Sound (seaplane tender) and a bow gunner on the Graffious in VN. Yep I miss the big water.