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Old 05-06-2002, 09:23 AM
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Default Phone Call to History Channel

I spoke with viewer relations this morning to a very nice lady that tried to wiggle out of the insult thrown at Vietnam Vets regard the Promo. I first told her I understood that I knew she was just doing her job answering the phone and my comments were not directed at her but at the producers of the program.

I stated first the promo was an insult to Vietnam Vets and historically inacurate. Her reply was it was taken in the wrong manner. And that what they meant to say is that the Army as a whole lost the war in Vietnam but that troops fighting it were not losers. I told her we did not lose we left. I informed her we never lost a major battle and in fact we were on our way to victory in 1968 when the politicians screwed it up.

I informed her that the Veterans of this country and esp the Vietnam Vets were probably as a group the largest part of their viewing audience and they were probably going to see a huge backlash on this. I informed her that a letter had gone out to some of the major sites on the internet informing them of the statement.

I told her intentional or not (I believe it was) there needed to be a retraction aired. I told her that I wanted to follow up with a fax and asked her if the they got trashed or read. She stated that they would get read and encouraged all of us to write. The fax number she gave me for viewer relations is as follows:


I would recommend that a fax be sent objecting to the statement and asking for a retraction. If someone wants to carry this over to and other sites please do so. I don't have time to do it this morning.

One thing I do know fax will probably get more attention than e-mail in an office. The reason being is that more than person has to handle them. And sooner or later someone is going to get pissed if they get enough of them. Maybe so pissed as to do something about it. If you are not set up to fax there are little mailbox places all over this country that you can walk into and fax from for just a few bucks. The people working the shops will help you if you don't know how to do it. I am composing one and sending it today.

They got my name and number and address maybe they will put me on TV and make me a star.

Thomas Jefferson, Kentucky Resolutions of 1798: "In questions of power then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution."
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Old 05-06-2002, 10:50 AM
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Old 05-06-2002, 11:29 AM
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Well, once again my objectivity and analytical idiot brain got me in trouble. I heard the promo and XGrunt was absolutely correct and I was wrong to even consider watching the show. A street pimp/barker could have done a better job of cheep shot insults. HC definitely has an agenda and that does not include objectivity and honesty. I sent off a scathing E-mail and that is unusual for me. By the way, does everyone know that Bits got booted out of HC?s Seems as how he got in a scrap with a Lesbian, said some un flattering words and boom, that was it. Sad bit of business for sure. One would think the real counter productive people would get the boot, but no. I suppose referring to a Lesbian as a queer is a major league taboo with HC and the trap door springs instantly.

For those who may wish to learn the real VN story, I highly recommend the book ?The Rise and Fall of an American Army? by Shelby L. Stanton. This book stands tall to the usual guy or gal doing their best but isn?t very kind to the perfumed princes that pretended to know what they were doing and used the lives of our bros and sissies like some sort of high school lab experiment. All the places and battles mentioned by the bros here are in the book. And yes, even the Navy gets mentioned, yahoo. Good reading and educational as all heck.

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Old 05-06-2002, 11:43 AM
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Talking My Buddy Harvey!!

Wouldn't say anything nasty would he?

Doesn't surprise me. I haven't seen any of his posts on here lately.


P.S. I must harass him for his lack of tact.
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Old 05-06-2002, 11:48 AM
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Hey Bro, what do you expect from a channel that shows movies and acts like they are history dont let em get to you they dont know a damn thing about it.
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Old 05-06-2002, 01:20 PM
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Wheres my hand gernad, I mean paper, sorry.
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Old 05-07-2002, 12:37 PM
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Unhappy A little "poem" about some of those "losers"

the History Channel was speaking about!

And old member of my unit (2/60th--9th Div.) wrote this.



They were called "Old Reliable" and they garnered lots of fame.

Those familiar with their story know they lived up to the name.

From the forests of the Ardennes to the land of Charlie?s birth

"Old Reliable" set the standard; to a man they proved their worth.

Riverine Infantry was a concept that was tested once before

With a group of Union soldiers fighting in the Civil War.

But the 2nd Brigade went for perfection in the war in Viet Nam

By invading Charlie?s hideouts from its home base in Dong Tam.

Those who sit and count their blessings in this land of liberty

Aren?t aware of hardships suffered in the quest to keep it free.

From the rivers of the delta to the jungles filled with death

Fighting hand-to-hand with Charlie, "Old Reliable" passed the test.

The "Brownwater Navy" and "Old Reliable" formed a solid plan

That would bring the war to Charlie and drive him from the land

The Navy had the boats that would take them to the places

Where the soldiers went ashore and destroyed the VC bases.

Riding Tangos up the rivers proved at times a deadly chore.

Taking mortar rounds and rockets from the bushes on the shore.

Delta canals were so narrow that they couldn?t turn around

So they slugged it out with Charlie as they raced for safer ground.

In his strongholds in the delta, Charlie thought he was secure

But he failed to comprehend the things that soldiers will endure.

Waist deep in delta mud as they struggled through the mire

"Old Reliable" kept on pushing, laying down a deadly fire.

There were many fearsome battles for the men of this brigade

And accolades were common for the roles the soldiers played.

Dinh Thuong, Long An, Song Rach Gai, where so many brave men fell

Strange sounding names from long ago with stories yet to tell.

The soldiers of "Old Reliable," who played the stakes so high

Rousted Charlie from the delta, by water, land and sky

The records of their bravery are now etched in history

For the 2nd of the 9th was known as Riverine Infantry.

So as you sit and count your blessings in this land of Liberty

Think of all the brave, young soldiers who have died to keep it free.

And rest assured, if ever needed, "Old Reliable" will heed the call.

To fight your wars and shoot your guns and defend you one and all.


For the members of the 2nd Brigade of the 9th Infantry Division,

3/47th, 4/47th, 3/60th, and all other members of the U.S. Army who

fought so valiantly on the rivers and canals of Vietnam.




"I ain't no fortunate son"--CCR

"We have shared the incommunicable experience of war..........We have felt - we still feel - the passion of life to its top.........In our youth our hearts were touched with fire"

Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.
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Old 05-07-2002, 12:53 PM
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Default Gimpy!

What a wonderful poem my Brother in Dixieness!

Thanks for putting that on the sight. You "cookie monsters" did such a helluva job in the Delta, they let you guys go home first.... Web feet and all!

Proud to be your friend,


"DISSENT IS PATRIOTIC!" (unknown people for the past 8 years, my turn now)
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Thumbs up Thanks , Gimp

gave me goose bumps. 3/5th Cav . started off as the organic Cav. recon. Squadron of the psychedelic cookie Division.
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Subject: Re: The History Channel: Feedback
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:39:52 -0400
At 5/3/2002 12:31 PM, you wrote:
>First Name: William
>Last Name: CGiles
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>Comments: ...I, William C. Giles write to you in regards to the
>programming that has been listed on your commercial of 05/03/02
> I, being a 30 % service connected Disabled American Veteran, and being
> a Service Officer for Chapter #38 of the DAV in Troy N.Y. take deep
> offense to the labeling of your upcoming programming regarding the
> Vietnam Veterans as "losers"...
> I demand to see a retraction of this theme, and express that "The
> History Channel" issue an apology to every man, and women that ever
> served in the Vietnam war over the airwaves of "The History Channel"
> I will be writing to your advertisers and advising them of the nature
> of your programming, and the biased nature of it in regards to the
> Vietnam Veterans, and reminding them that a boycott of their products
> will arise Nationwide due to your portrayal of such indignity of such
> honorable men, and women...
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> with Service officers on a state, and National level....
> William C Giles
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Dear Mr. Giles,

Thank you for your interest in The History Channel program THE BATTLE
HISTORY OF THE U.S. ARMY. We sincerely apologize if the promo for that
program offended you. This promo was telecast on May 3; it will not play

The History Channel has nothing but respect for all branches of our armed
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men and women, past and present, of the United States Army.

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