Why Our Military is So Hated Around the World

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Why Our Military is So Hated Around the World

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An Afghan woman holds a U.S. flag during a ceremony in Kabul marking the donation of more than 5000 wheelchairs to Afghanistan, September 22, 2003.
REUTERS/Ahmad Masood
Ted Turner and Jane Fonda must be political soul mates.
From a transcript of Bill O’Reilly’s interview with Ted Turner:

O’REILLY: All right. Is America a good country?
TURNER: Oh, it’s a great country.
O’REILLY: Are we exploitative overseas? Is the war on terrorism largely our fault?
TURNER: No, I wouldn’t say largely. But I think if we stopped bombing people and sent doctors and scientists and engineers around the world that we’d make a lot more progress, and we wouldn’t have near as much terrorism in the world as we do. I think bombing just makes people angry, and they want to bomb you back.

Uh…yeah…that’s all our military does is carry out American foreign policy objectives of “bombing people”; not bombing terrorists…not bombing America’s enemies…but “people”.
Here’s a little education for Ted Turner, by way of a Hugh Hewitt interview with Robert Kaplan:

HH: You know, I want to begin in the 9th chapter of this, your second book on the American military, as you were driving out of Timbuktu, 11 hours beyond the gates of Timbuktu. Use that as a metaphor for what you were doing and why you went the places you have gone.
RK: Well, Timbuktu is not the edge of the Earth. The edge of the Earth is miles beyond Timbuktu, north into the heart of the Sahara desert. And I was with a company of American Special Forces officers, about twelve of them, all non-commissioned officers except for a captain. And you would think what is the U.S. military doing in the heart of the Sahara desert. Well, we’re not only in the heart of the Sahara desert, we’re all over the Pacific ocean, we’ll all over South America, and all this is occurring while we are fighting a war in Iraq and in Afghanistan. And what I tried to do in the course of the years in which I embedded with the military was to show the whole thing. Not to ignore Iraq, but not to be limited by it, either, because one big deployment might overstretch us like Iraq, but dozens upon dozens of smaller deployments will do no such thing. So I was with a company of American Special Forces officers who were investigating just what was in the center of the Sahara desert in terms of al Qaeda movements, humanitarian, prospects for humanitarian relief, just getting to know Africa. Because in this global world war on terrorism, really is a global war.
HH: Now your accompanied by, extraordinary in the course of this book, an extraordinary array of Americans, one of which on this particular trip is an Evangelical staff sergeant from Oklahoma who doesn’t want to be identified, because he doesn’t want his deeds to serve himself. I thought that was another metaphor for the extraordinary people you’ve spent the last many years with.
RK: Yeah, the people I…what I did was I didn’t report on anybody in this book. I befriended a lot of people, and revealed them to the reader as they revealed themselves to me. And the best of these people didn’t want any publicity, not because they were afraid of being written up badly, but because they were afraid of getting public recognition for anything they do. For them, the real sweet thing is to do it and not get recognition, if you can believe it. And this Evangelical staff sergeant, he drove most of the way through blistering sandstorms, he slept only six hours, which was interrupted by an hour and a half of guard duty, and he got up the next morning to fit little African children for eyeglasses as part of a civil affairs project that this Special Forces A-team was doing. And just, you know, just dealt with one child, one woman after another throughout the morning without any complaining about lack of sleep or anything.
HH: Let me tell the audience, this is a remarkable read, you’re going to want to get Hog Pilots, Blue Water Grunts, and just an example of detail, “Following sun up, Captain Tory, an Evangelical staff sergeant from Oklahoma, set up an eye clinic inside one of the ruins. They unpack little boxes of adaptable eyewear, an ingenious, low-tech device manufactured by the U.S. Agency for International Development. These were round, Harry Potterish horn-rimmed glasses of zero prescription which increasingly strengthened as you pumped a clear gel solution attached to the frame inside the glass. The SF, Special Forces guys called them, ‘never get laid again glasses,’ because of how they made you look.” Now that has got an eye for detail, pardon the pun, Robert Kaplan, but I guess it is in those very small things, as well as the B-2’s that we’ll talk about later, that the genius in the American military lies.
RK: Yeah, it all lies in the details. For the price of one F-22, you could populate all of Africa with SF-A teams doing humanitarian relief. But that is not necessarily a criticism of an F-22, because I get that later in the book when I talk about the B-2 and other expensive bombers, which are sort of an expensive form of health insurance to keep the Chinese honest about their intentions in Taiwan. But you know, we get bargains in our military budget, and we don’t. The B-2’s, the F-22’s, there’s no bargains there. But in terms of what we can do on the ground in a place like Africa, we get a lot of bargains like this deployment that I embedded on.

Extracted from a post targeted at Paul Bearers:

In an interview with Hugh Hewitt, Robert Kaplan says,

people have this image of the U.S. military going all over the world as a busybody, propping up dictatorships. It’s so false. In fact, the only regimes we prop up through training missions are of certified democracies, certified by Congress, which we have not imposed on them, that they’ve evolved organically on their own as democracies.

The Savage Wars of Peace, by Max Boot:

Far from being isolationist before World War II and the formation of NATO, America from the very beginning of the Republic intervened in a nearly continual series of civil wars, coups, and hostage rescues. Starting with attacks on the Barbary Coast pirates between 1801 and 1805, the nation has always interfered in other nations’ business far from home.
Two generations of college students have been taught that all such “adventurism” is nothing but imperialism and running-dog capitalism–and Boot does not deny that states naturally send in their forces out of national interest rather than mere idealism. But he shows that the majority of the time the Marines intervened to stop the slaughter of civilians, to retaliate against the killing of Americans and destruction of their property, and to prevent chaos from spreading beyond a country’s borders. While such incursions often served the local property-owning elites and corrupt grandees, such interventionists as Thomas Jefferson, Chester A. Arthur, and Teddy Roosevelt assumed that order and stable governments were usually preferable to mass uprisings, constant revolution, and mob rule.

When natural disasters strike, what does America do? Take advantage of another nation’s misfortune, or come to its rescue, using American military might while draining American taxpayer coffers and making private donations to charities? We did this for earthquake relief in Iran, 2003 just being one year’s example of this:

In the latest U.S. shipment, an American military plane carrying 80 personnel and medical supplies landed early Tuesday in the provincial capital of Kerman. The team reached Bam, 120 miles to the southeast, by midday.
Seven U.S. Air Force C-130 cargo planes have already delivered 150,000 pounds of relief supplies — including blankets, medical supplies and water — making the United States one of the largest international donors.

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Pakistan earthquake relief, the ‘Great Satan’s’ military has delivered 94 tons medical supplies, 1,939 tons of humanitarian supplies, 1,582 tons of equipment, evacuated 15,794 victims..provided doctors, nurses, medicine…..

In addition, we donated a mobile hospital:

WASHINGTON, Feb. 16, 2006 – The United States today transferred the 212th Mobile Army Surgical Hospital, the last unit of its kind in the U.S. Army, to the Pakistan government for continued use in earthquake relief efforts, a Defense Department spokesman said.
The 84-bed hospital, which arrived in Muzaffarabad shortly after the earthquake struck the country on Oct. 8, is valued at $4.6 million, according to the U.S. Embassy in Pakistan.
The hospital consists of the following:
* Primary health care and emergency medical treatment section;
* Surgical suite with two operating tables and sterilization equipment;
* Two intensive care units; I
* Intermediate care ward;
* Minimal care ward;
* Pharmacy;
* Laboratory;
* Radiology units;
* Medical maintenance work area with a supply of repair parts;
* Power-generation system for the entire hospital; and
* Storage containers for packing and moving the hospital.
The hospital has treated more than 20,000 patients and provided about 20,000 vaccinations to about 8,000 patients since October. After the transfer, the American medical personnel will return to their home base in Miesau, Germany, and the Pakistani military will take over the hospital, according to the embassy.
In further progress toward the end of U.S. military relief efforts in Pakistan this spring, the U.S. Navy turned over $2.5 million worth of construction equipment to Pakistan military engineers Feb. 13. The equipment includes three D-7 bulldozers, a 15-ton dump truck, nine 20-ton dump trucks, seven 100-kilowatt generators and four generator skids, according to the embassy.
The U.S. also is donating its two forward-area refueling point systems to the Pakistan government to increase helicopter efficiency during reconstruction.
The U.S. military has been on the ground in Pakistan since Oct. 10, providing relief after a 7.6 magnitude earthquake struck the Kashmir region in northern Pakistan Oct. 8, killing more than 70,000 citizens, injuring more than 60,000 and leaving more than 3 million homeless. At the peak of initial relief efforts, more than 1,200 personnel and 25 helicopters provided vital transport, logistics, and medical and engineering support in the affected areas.
Today, 600 U.S. servicemembers continue to provide aviation, medical and engineering assistance to relief and reconstruction efforts.

the 2004 tsunami…

WALL OF WATER
U.S. Troops Aid Tsunami Victims
American forces began 2005 by helping people on the other side of the globe. Within hours of the Dec. 26, 2004, earthquake and tsunami that devastated large swaths of the Indian Ocean region, U.S. troops were mobilizing to help. Thousands of servicemembers rang in the New Year in the region or were mobilizing to go there.
U.S. Pacific Command had immediately begun planning the U.S. and international response. Military leaders communicated directly with U.S. ambassadors and senior military officers in Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Thailand, among other countries.
As Jan. 1, 2005, dawned, the USS Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group was afloat off the Indonesian island of Sumatra , and the ship’s 17 helicopters and aircrews were flying relief supplies to survivors in devastated areas. The USS Bonhomme Richard Expeditionary Strike Group, with support ships and 25 helicopters, had almost arrived from Guam. Pre-positioned ships full of supplies had left Japan, Guam and Diego Garcia en route to the region. And Joint Task Force 536, soon to be renamed Combined Support Force 536, was already operating in Utapao, Thailand.
“Like in so many places, those who wear our uniform are showing the great decency of America . I appreciate your compassion. I appreciate your love for your fellow human beings and thank you for the work you do.”
President George W. Bush
“One thing the Indonesians are never going to forget is who was there first,” U.S. Ambassador to Indonesia B. Lynn Pascoe said a few weeks later during a visit to the Lincoln.
Within days, more than 15,000 U.S. military members were in Southeast Asia assisting relief and recovery efforts under Operation Unified Assistance, the name given the post-tsunami relief efforts focused on Indonesia, Sri Lanka and Thailand.
“If you look at the front pages of many papers, you’ll see pictures of U.S. military people rescuing people, delivering food and water, assisting with emergency medical types of assistance,” Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said in a Jan. 4 radio interview.
The U.S. response was massive, immediate and comprehensive. At least 17 Navy ships and a Coast Guard cutter were in the region or en route within a week.
“Like in so many places, those who wear our uniform are showing the great decency of America, ” President Bush said Jan. 10 of the humanitarian efforts. “I appreciate your compassion. I appreciate your love for your fellow human beings and thank you for the work you do.”
Military medical assets proved invaluable in many ways. USNS Mercy, a floating trauma center with the capacity to house up to 1,000 hospitalized patients, departed its home base in San Diego Jan. 5. For six weeks the ship was supporting the operation with more than 500 U.S. Navy and nongovernmental organization medical staff, volunteers, uniformed Public Health Service members, and Navy support personnel. Mercy’s personnel conducted a wide range of medical and dental assistance programs ashore and afloat, performing 19,512 medical procedures, including 285 surgeries.
Many more were helped through the efforts of environmental and preventive medicine specialists. Military epidemiologists, entomologists, hygienists, microbiologists and others tested water, soil and air samples
for diseases and contaminants to ensure the safety of aid workers and displaced local residents. The teams helped identify and treat contaminated wells, killed flies and mosquitoes in large areas, and trapped and removed rats from displaced-persons camps.
“We know that we touched many, many people – more than 50,000 directly, with a larger lasting impact – with efforts of the preventive medicine unit … and the friends that we made,” Navy Capt. Dave Llewellyn, Mercy commander, said as the ship was transiting home.
Navy oceanographers conducted safety and navigation surveys of the ocean and coastlines in the region. “The tsunami wiped out tons of shoreline,” said Forrest Noll, a scientist with the Naval Oceanographic Office in Stennis, Miss. “It changed the landscape drastically.”
In a more colorful description of the devastation, Navy Petty Officer 1st Class David Loiselle said, “It looked like somebody had just taken a giant Weedwacker to the entire coast.”
Loiselle, an aviation warfare systems operator aboard the Lincoln , said the relief work was one of his most rewarding experiences. “My single biggest gratitude is rescuing people,” he said. “I’d much rather do that than (be) shooting people.”
Other military support included:
• USS Fort McHenry, a dock landing ship that left Sasebo , Japan , Jan. 2, delivered more than 1.2 million pounds of water, food items and clothes. Fort McHenry also delivered more than 2,000 pounds of supplies personally collected by communities within Fleet Activities Sasebo.
• Hundreds of Marine Corps engineers and Navy Seabees helped Sri Lankans repair infrastructure and clear debris. Some debris cleared from the island was used to reconstruct a sea wall.
• Army engineers deployed to Thailand to help rebuild roads, bridges and power infrastructure.
• Several teams of military forensics experts, including anthropologists, dentists and mortuary affairs specialists, helped manage the overwhelming numbers of bodies.
Officials estimate roughly 300,000 people died in the disaster, and more than 1.1 million people were displaced. The statistics regarding U.S. relief efforts are also staggering. According to U.S. Pacific Command information, U.S. military flights in the region included:
• About 70 reconnaissance-assessment flights, resulting in roughly 570 hours flying time;
• More than 1,300 fixed-wing aircraft flights, resulting in more than 4,635 hours flying time; and
• More than 2,200 helicopter flights, resulting in more than 4,870 hours flying time.
In all, U.S. Pacific Command assets delivered or coordinated delivery of more than 24 million pounds of relief supplies and equipment into the region by Feb. 14, when Combined Support Force 536 ceased operations.

time and time again, America has used its military interventionism on behalf of humanity.
“Like in so many places, those who wear our uniform are showing the great decency of America . I appreciate your compassion. I appreciate your love for your fellow human beings and thank you for the work you do.”- President George W. Bush
Ok, maybe Ted Turner was referring to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where al-Qaeda and the Taliban brutalized the populace, and we “stayed the course” there to train native security forces and serve and protect innocent civilians and budding democracies at the expense of American blood and treasure, along with our Coalition partners.
Here are examples of the evil that American soldiers do, terrorizing the “native brown people”:

The Best Medicine

A U.S. Army Soldier from Charlie Company, 4th Battalion, 9th Infantry Regiment, 4th Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division, from Ft. Lewis, Wash., shares a laughs with an Iraqi army soldier at a U.S. and Iraqi Army security checkpoint in Tarmiyah, Iraq, Sept. 25, 2007. U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication 2nd Class Summer M. Anderson.

Pride

U.S. Army Sgt. Quenton Sallows hands out Iraqi Flags to Iraqi children beginning their first day of school in Lutafiyah, Iraq, Oct. 1, 2007. Sallows is assigned to Civil Affairs, 2nd Battalion, 15th Field Artillery Regiment, 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division (Light Infantry). U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Quinton Russ.
Nice to Meet You


U.S. Marine Corps Cpl. Julia Venegas, from 2nd Marine Logistics Group, shakes hands with a little girl in the village of Kabani, Iraq, while on a security patrol Sept. 28, 2007. U.S. Marine Corps photo taken by Lance Cpl. Robert S. Morgan.

One Size Fits Most

A U.S. Army Soldier of 1st Battalion, 38th Infantry Regiment, 4th Brigade Combat Team, 2nd Infantry Division plays with a young Iraqi boy in Mufriq, Iraq, Oct. 8, 2007. U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Shawn Weismiller.

School Days

Iraqi girls walk to a primary school in the Andaloos district of Fallujah, Iraq, Oct. 17, 2007, to receive school supplies from U.S. Marines and Iraqi police. U.S. Marine Corps photo by Sgt. Robert B. Brown Jr.

Junior Heroes

The students at an elementary school in Jerf Al-Mila hold up their ‘Junior Hero’ stickers after taking an oath to become honorary Junior Heroes during a visit to the school by Iraqi Army Soldiers from the 3rd Battalion, 2nd Brigade, 9th Iraqi Army Division (mechanized), Oct. 17. The Junior Hero program was designed by the Iraqi security forces to teach children about the roles of the Iraqi Army and Iraqi police who work in their communities and ways in which they can volunteer to keep their villages free of crime. Photo by Staff Sgt. Jon Cupp, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division Public Affairs
A Sucker for Children


U.S. Marine Corps Lance Cpl. Patrick K. Mason, a squad leader for 1st Platoon, Alpha Company, 1st Battalion, 7th Marine Regiment, hands a lollipop to an Iraqi boy during a security patrol in Dulab, Iraq, Sept. 25, 2007. The Marines are working with Iraqi police in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom in the Al Anbar province of Iraq. U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. Shane S. Keller.

Check out the American soldier menacing an Iraqi girl:


Jan. 13, 2008: A U.S. soldier plays with a young girl during a patrol in Baghdad.
Jewel Samad - AFP/Getty Images


U.S. Army Capt. Charles Ford plays a video game with seven-year-old Wa’ad, who lost an arm and a leg to an improvised bomb, during a visit to the child’s home near Muqdadiyah, Iraq. U.S. soldiers from Hammer Company are arranging for the child to be fitted with prosthetic limbs.
Maya Alleruzzo-AP


U.S. Army 2nd. Lt. Hunter Wakeland is seen on patrol with local Iraqi police in Abu Tshir, Baghdad on September 10, 2008. You Witness News/U.S. Navy Petty Officer 2nd Class Joan E. Kretschmer


A young Iraqi girl embraces Capt. Janet Rose assigned to the 431st Civil Affairs Battalion, at the Baqouba Women and Children’s Hospital, June 9, 2007.




A boy seeks shelter behind a U.S. soldier as gunshots ring out following a car bomb explosion in Baghdad. At least 21 were killed in the bombing and 66 wounded, police and hospital officials said.
Khalid Mohammed- AP
Gee…is that Iraqi boy running to the terrible imperialist occupier for any particular reason?


This photo, which appeared on the front page of this morning’s edition of The New York Times, shows an Iraqi boy taking cover behind a U.S. soldier as civilians fled the sound of gunshots following a suicide bombing yesterday in central Baghdad that killed at least 21 people and wounded 66 others.Photo taken by Khalid Mohammed, AP


A U.S. soldier of Bravo Company, 1st Battalion, 5th Cavalry Regiment, 2nd Brigade, 1st Infantry Division hands a soccer ball to a young boy in the Amariyah neighborhood of west Baghdad, Iraq Tuesday, July 31, 2007. (AP Photo/Petr David Josek)
To paraphrase Ted Turner, “All we do is bomb people“…


U.S. soldiers from Task Force 2-116 Armor’s headquarters company watch Iraqi children dangle from their new monkey bars after their installation at the orphanage in Kirkuk, Iraq, Aug. 19, 2005. U.S. Army Sgt. Fenton Doyle constructed the playground equipment


U.S. soldiers from Task Force 2-116 Armor’s headquarters company swing Iraqi children after installing their new swing set at the orphanage in Kirkuk, Iraq, Aug. 19, 2005. U.S. Army Sgt. Fenton Doyle constructed the playground equipment from old humvee parts


U.S. Army 1st Sgt. Micheal Green, with Company C, 1st Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 82nd Airborne Division, is followed by Iraqi children while patrolling the streets of Bayji, Iraq, Sept. 16, 2006. U.S. Army photo by Spc. Joshua R. Ford


U.S. Army Spc. Sam Rogers, with Headquarters and Headquarters Company, 48th Brigade Combat Team, receives a hug from a young Iraqi girl who is overjoyed with her new shoes. Rogers helped deliver donated shoes to the Abu Tubar School near An Nasiriyah

Thanks, Mike (my post):

Scott Southworth, right, is seen with his adopted son, Ala’a, July 19, 2007, in the home in Mauston, Wis. Southworth first met Ala’a, who has cerebral palsy, at the Mother Teresa orphanage in Baghdad in 2003 while he was serving in Iraq.
(AP Photo/Andy Manis)
Check out the American Air Force medic bullying the Afghan boy:


U.S. Air Force medic Gary Horn arm-wrestles with a boy during a visit to a school in Shahr e Safa in Zabul province, Afghanistan.Goran Tomasevic, Reuters


04/08/07 - U.S. Army Sgt. 1st Class Ed Franco plays with local refugee children in Dar Ul Aman, Kabul, Afghanistan, April 8, 2007, in support of a volunteer community reach program.



04/08/07 - Maj. Shawn Haney, U.S. Marine Corps, plays with a local refugee child during a volunteer community outreach program in Dar Ul Aman, Kabul, Afghanistan, on April 8, 2007.


04/08/07 - A U.S. Air Force Airman holds a local refugee child in Dar Ul Aman, Kabul, Afghanistan, April 8, 2007, in support of a volunteer community reach program.
Back to the Turner interview:

O’REILLY: Because there is, you know, there’s one man who’s done more for the continent of Africa than any other man in the history of civilization. Do you know who that man is?
TURNER: Nelson Mandela?
O’REILLY: No. President Bush has saved more lives, sent more money, and provided more medical care for the citizens of all the countries of Africa than any human being that’s ever lived. Yet, you just said send the doctors, send this, send that and the world will like us better and there won’t be as much terrorism. We have done that. And not only in Africa, but around the world. The world does not look upon George Bush as a hero and neither do you.
TURNER: No, I think he made a lot of mistakes, too. But you can’t — but he did some good things, and I think basically he’s got a good heart.

I mentioned some of Bush’s liberal accomplishments in Africa, before. Danny Huddleston at American Thinker says President Bush’s approval rating in Africa is 80%:

Also, few people are aware of the help Bush has provided to Africa. He has an astonishing approval rating of 80% on that continent. The NY Sun reported on this back in February:

President Bush’s sense of mission to improve the lives of the people of the Middle East has attracted so much attention that the Wall Street Journal called him “Bush of Arabia” the other day over an article by Fouad Ajami. Less widely appreciated are Mr. Bush’s achievements in Africa, which are worth marking as the president embarks today on a visit that is scheduled to include trips to Benin, Tanzania, Rwanda, Ghana, and Liberia. Mr. Bush has committed $15 billion to fight AIDS and HIV in Africa, and the result is that the number of Africans benefiting from anti-retroviral drugs has soared to 1.3 million today from 50,000 a few years ago. A similar effort is under way to fight malaria, with similarly promising results.
Mr. Bush hasn’t gotten much credit for this among the American public, but, as a BBC interviewer noted yesterday, his approval rating in Africa is in the 80% range, which is astonishingly high. [....]
Asked about all this yesterday, Mr. Bush characteristically looked beyond the poll numbers to the broader principles. “I believe to whom much is given, much is required. It happens to be a religious notion. But, it should be a universal notion as well,” the president said. “I believe America’s soul is enriched, our spirit is enhanced when we help people who suffer.”

President Bush, America, our military interference “policing” the world, has done more good on behalf of the “global community” than harm.


U.S. Army Spc. Danielle Deal visits with a student at the Djibouti City School in Djibouti after handing out school supplies collected by Combined Joint Task Force - Horn of Africa on Dec. 2, 2006. Deal is deployed with Bravo Company, 489th Civil Action Battalion


U.S. Navy Lt. Cmdr. Jeff Weitz walks holding hands with two children who live in a tent city set up by Combined Joint Task Force-Horn of Africa after severe flooding in Dire Dawa, Ethiopia, on Dec. 2, 2006.

“You give him back his son,” says Steve Muth. “His son’s going to be fine. You can see it in their eyes. They’re not going to forget you. They’re not going to forget you’re from where you’re from. It will be two generations. They’ll still be saying, ‘you know, when you were a kid, it was the Americans that came after the earthquake.’ They won’t forget.” -Bob Simon 60 Minutes segment reporting on NYC Paramedics Saving Lives in Pakistan, in wake of the 2005 earthquake.

[82Rigger]

GREAT pics!

Thanks, Joy!

Much easier on the soul than some of the hate-filled posts I see in here!

[phuloi]

Good stuff, Joy..thanks for posting. A picture is worth a thousand words. Sure don`t see a bunch of raping and pillaging here. Oh, I forgot..they do the door kicking-in under the cover of darkness.

[39mto39g]

I read this post 2 times and couldn't find "why our military is hated around the world"
I found that we could "re populate" Africa for the price of one F22. and I guess because we don't sell our F22s and do this we are somehow hated?
Africa needs to stop killing it's self, our F22 and B2 technology is to protect our country and give our military an edge against whoever we are apposing. Maybe it would be a good thing to NOT have that edge, but I would guess that good thing would be for those we are fighting.

Turners an idiot.
"I think bombing just makes people angry, and they want to bomb you back"
He thinks that we just go to a country and start bombing them, I guess.

In that case I think we should take over Australia, not Afghanistan or Iraq or Africa.
Why we send our military to a country is not to bomb them but to set the people free, and in that effort we bomb those that would not wish this. We do have a superior bombing delivery system and some don't think that is "fare" I would say, To bad.

Ron

[DeadlyDaring]

Originally Posted by 39mto39g

In that case I think we should take over Australia, not Afghanistan or Iraq or Africa.


Ron

Do try!


First you would need a supply line and all countries around Australia , would not let you do this. If America tried to invade Australia and take it over, personally you would have 98% of the world against you. All of your allies would turn against you. Australia would not turn the other cheek and run ...

Happy new year ...


We dont worry about you being the sleeping giant as you should worry about sleepng dogs ...

[39mto39g]

DD
You got to be shitting me.
It would take about 1 day to over run anything Australia had in it's military.
But I guess that is one of the reasons Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran stand up when we confront them.
Australia would lose without a doubt within the first day. Just what does Australia have that would counter a cruse Missile, F22, B2 or F117, Marines, Army airborne, Army infantry, I think not one thing, except maybe Ausy spirit, which will just get you dead.
Sorry.


Ron

[DeadlyDaring]

39mto39g ...settle down, obviously you don't know when someone is taking the pisser out of you

Prior to this back in the 1800, America was going to or had massed a large fleet to Invade Australia but they declined to do this as the French, Dutch, Russian, German and English ships and the Australians got wind of this well before and sent their fleets /ships that were in south east asia at the time to defend the English new Colony Australia ... the rest is hitory and never eventuated.

In 1907 President Roosevelt decided to send an American Naval Fleet (visit to Australia) on an epic cruise. It was the largest fleet to ever accomplish a circumnavigation of the globe. The fleet visited six continents and 26 countries.

So you see 39mto39g, other countries WILL defend Australia if the threat arose. You are not totally invisible unless you see too many movies

I could List a few countries that would but why bother
Australia has never repeat never offended countries on our doorsteps or further in Aisia

I'm still taking the pisser out of you arn't I

[39mto39g]

DD

"when someone is taking the pisser out of you"

Is that like "Yo Dude"

The country of Australia could no more stand the invasion of American Might than did Iraq.
You would think something different. just tells the lack of intelligence, A marathon runner will always beat a 100 yard dash runner in a marathon, a Military superior country (USA) will always beat a inferior military (Australia) In a military conflict.
Even if a Ausi thinks different.

Ron

[DeadlyDaring]

Originally Posted by 39mto39g

DD

"when someone is taking the pisser out of you"

Is that like "Yo Dude"

Ron

Kidding you, trying to make a fool of you, having fun with you

TRUELY NOW! Lets just say, if you did invaded Australia, dont you think that there would be repercussions from other military mights.

It would have a domino effect in which in the end you would NOT win.

As I did say before ...No one is invincible unless you have the support
You cannot go about the globe trying to take another country over without support.

If NO other country in the world supported your country, military might and denide you access in Afghanistan and Iraq ...you would not be there now

The world revolves on money, oil and trading partners, if every country closed their borders and did not trade with the US, you would be in more trouble than you are in now. You need the support and the coalitions of the current Allies ...truthfully without some form of support, you would lose in the end on your pat malone (alone)

Have a great day and dont think about what could be, it never will

[39mto39g]

DD
I was just responding to your Snicker and LOL .
We, The United States of America have always fought wars alone. Some other countries have had a insignificant roll in our wars, (England, France, Canada, Australia) but insignificant is all it was then and is now, In Iraq and Afghanistan. Most people in the world can not even tell you what other countries are involved in Afghanistan and or Iraq.
The U.S. would not need any help or would not care to have any help in the invasion of any country in the world. The United States is not going to invade Australia, That being said, If the U.S. would do it and the rest of the world was against it, there would be little difference. The United States would just defeat what ever fore or foes there was to defeat.
A B2 could fly from Kansas to Australia and back to Kansas and all you would ever see is that your military headquarters would be gone. Just like Iraq.
You would not want to be on the receiving end of the United States military might, believe me.
You being a Sheila would not understand, but that is just fine.
And I just went and looked at the calendar, and sure enough, it is not the 1800s. The US plays war way to nice in my opinion, and that nice gives others the impression that we are fighting as hard as we can. We could defeat Australia without setting foot in Australia. Or any other country(s).


Ron