Lebanon

[39mto39g]

These people are so full of Crapp.
Lebanies people , carring Hezbalah flags, stormed the UN building ,shouting anti-American slogans?
Israel had dropped leaflets telling the citizens to get out of an area and the citizens didn't get out, According to Lebanon officals 23 children were killed in the Israeli attac.
Saying anything is easy (even lieing about it) 23 children is just a ploy to try to get the world opinion with them and against Israel.
Lets say that 23 children were killed. Where are the parents? What are these kids still doing in the area? Israel told them they were going to get bombed, so who is the irresponcible ones?
Besides all that thats just 23 less that wont end up as a human bomb.
My opinion, get a bigger bomb if ony 23 were killed.
Ron

[darrels joy]

There were three incidents of firing close to UN positions in the last 24 hours from the Israeli side. It was also reported that Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions at Marwahin, Alma Ash Shab, Brashit, and At Tiri.
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpko/missions/unifil/pr011.pdf

[darrels joy]

clear & simple

[39mto39g]

If the reporters wern't there , who would even know what went on,

We would like to think its the way you showed, but, those people lie about everything and the reporters are not much better. so as far as we really know whats going on, it could be the oposit of what you showed.
Im not sure I want to know who got shot, or who is shooting who from where. Both sides , to me, are worthless.
The news media has to love it, the reporters get to go and cover a "WAR" and show smoke off on a hill. and be lead around to see what whoever is leading them wants them to see.
The networks have this on all day and people in the US have a bunch of different opinions which makes them tune in to TV for more?
Sounds like a drug sales man, hears a little, OH you want more, OK hears a little more, OH you want more.

[Packo]

The history of the Middle East and terrorism is clear. The Israelies have never targeted civilians, the terrorist target civilians as their main objectives. Joy's cartoon depicts the truth. All the Palastinians and other Arabs need to do is concentrate on their own country and doing good things and leave Israel alone and the war would be over forever. As long as the stated goal is the destruction of Israel and the murdering of all Israelies....the war will go on forever.

Pack

[39mto39g]

Pak
Israel is not perfect. They lie just as much as any one else over there. The news media shows you just what they want you to see. Unless you go to Israel and see the attack/counter attack for yourself, you can't really know. Two people in the same battle see the battel different.
You said. " The Israelies have never targeted civilians" come on Pak, your not that gulable, Just because they say they don't and ther news media doesn't show it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
Those people have been fighting each other for thousands of years and lie upon lie upon lie.
They can't even get the Number of dead correct , Hezbalah says there have been over 700 civilians killed, Israel says very few civilians killed. Well there both right and wrong, Hezbalah don't wear uniforms so a dead one looks just like a dead civilian. Each side reports stuff to make there side look good and the other side look bad. Each side also lies there ass off to make the other side look bad.
This war is a never ending one made by thousands of years of hate , lies, misstrust, by each side. The news media is loving it,
Israel fights the war like a bunch of school girls, There not really wanting to win, it don't look like. If they wanted to win they would send there army along the sirian coast of Lebanon , cutting off Hezbalagh and surrounding them , Move in and kill them. But instead they move in a little and move out and talk with the media for awhile and fire there guns. WTF.
I could care less about Israel, Lebanon, Seria, or any of the rest of those rag head.

Ron

[darrels joy]

THe statements about Israel firing close to UN positions and

Hezbollah fired from the vicinity of four UN positions

is from a UN report. It is online at the web address posted.

The UN doesn't make statements supportive of Israel unless they have no way out of it.

I think something was posted here about a Canadian ending an email to his command in Canada about Hesbollah firing rockets from near UN posts so that
1. They might be safe from return fire OR
2. Israel might be blamed for killing "UN peacekeepers"

The Canadian soldier was killed several days later.

The way the muslems are fighting should not be a surprise to anyone. The state to what lengths they are willing to go and they go there.

Joy

[39mto39g]

DJ
You said. "The state to what lengths they are willing to go"
Thats how to fight a war.
The news media and women around the world would like to see a nice neet clean war that only the ones fighting get hurt or killed. That is why wars last so long, People actually try to do this.
Hears how to fight the war, Surround the city, Bring in bulldozers and tanks , Flaton the entire city with arty and bombs, Bulldoze all the ruble , Along with men women ,children dogs, chickens, pigs, reporters, etc. into a pile, Burn the pile, push the pile into the ocean, Move to next city. Repeat until they give up.

War is not for TV or civilized people. But when you do go to war, why are you there but to win. You can't reason with a pack of pitbulls, you either get away, or kill them.
Rice is stupid.

Ron

[darrels joy]

Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'
Canadian wrote of militia's presence, 'necessity' of bombing
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Font: * * * * Joel Kom, with files from Steven Edwards, CanWest News Service, The Ottawa Citizen
Published: Thursday, July 27, 2006
The words of a Canadian United Nations observer written just days before he was killed in an Israeli bombing of a UN post in Lebanon are evidence Hezbollah was using the post as a "shield" to fire rockets into Israel, says a former UN commander in Bosnia.

Those words, written in an e-mail dated just nine days ago, offer a possible explanation as to why the post -- which according to UN officials was clearly marked and known to Israeli forces -- was hit by Israel on Tuesday night, said retired Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie yesterday.

The strike hit the UN observation post in the southern Lebanese village of El Khiam, killing Canadian Maj. Paeta Hess-von Kruedener and three others serving as unarmed UN military observers in the area.

Just last week, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener wrote an e-mail about his experiences after nine months in the area, words Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie said are an obvious allusion to Hezbollah tactics.

"What I can tell you is this," he wrote in an e-mail to CTV dated July 18. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and aerial bombing.

"The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic) from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather due to tactical necessity."

Those words, particularly the last sentence, are not-so-veiled language indicating Israeli strikes were aimed at Hezbollah targets near the post, said Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie.

"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces)," he said.

That would mean Hezbollah was purposely setting up near the UN post, he added. It's a tactic Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie, who was the first UN commander in Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war, said he's seen in past international missions: Aside from UN posts, fighters would set up near hospitals, mosques and orphanages.

A Canadian Forces infantry officer with the Edmonton-based Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and the only Canadian serving as a UN military observer in Lebanon, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener was no stranger to fighting nearby.

The UN post, he wrote in the e-mail, afforded a view of the "Hezbollah static positions in and around our patrol Base."

"It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the IDF and Hezbollah has taken place in our area," he wrote, noting later it was too dangerous to venture out on patrols.

The e-mail appears to contradict the UN's claim there had been no Hezbollah activity in the vicinity of the strike.

The question of Hezbollah's infiltration of the area is significant because UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, speaking Tuesday just hours after the bombing, accused the Israelis of the "apparently deliberate targeting" of the base near Khiam in southern Lebanon.

A senior UN official, asked about the information contained in Maj. Hess-von Kruedener's e-mail concerning Hezbollah presence in the vicinity of the Khiam base, denied the world body had been caught in a contradiction.

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DJ
If I was in charge of Hezbalah I would put kids and old ladies out in front of me, and fight from mausks and next to UN buildings and anywhere else that people with some kind of simphathy toward humanity would not attack. Id kidnap a bunch of catholic nuns and shoot behind them. I don't care about Hezbalagh , its just the winers out there about not playing fair in a war are just something else. If the Canadian guy had time to write an e-mail , he had time to get the heck out of there. His time out to wine got him killed. F-him , the Dumb ash.
War is not fair and nice exept in the eyes of the media and idealistic people around the world, Give me a bunch of gorilla fighters anyday over an army that has to play by RULES, Id make them wish they never got up in the morning.

Ron