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How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!
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Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War. Denouncing America with ‘Hanoi' Jane: Although Wesley Clark and others have attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski bum, Kerry is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays himself as. He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with the likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson's radical former attorney general. He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971. Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard Johnson's about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would be president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable. Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted minimal media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda insisted it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less "authentic" Washington, D.C. Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. soldiers had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam." ‘We are not the best': In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew said ‘some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits abuse,' and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam. But for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here in Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider ourselves the best men of this country …." U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: "Kerry's testimony, it should be noted, occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the ‘People's Peace Treaty,'" a supposed ‘people's' declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war." Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW in a protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in front of the U.S. Capitol. Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they hang on the wall of his office. Communist stooge: The communist Daily World delightedly published photos of him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of government and your society," the New American recalled in May 2003. "By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found himself marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as ‘revolutionary Communists.' While noting that known Reds had openly organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported the presence of an ‘abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.'" Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: "As a national leader of VVAW, Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field for his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being shed unnecessarily or in vain. "Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United States soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti. They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the Viet Cong enemy." Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used reports of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. Retired General George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy." In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged by his betrayal, have turned their backs on him. The book he doesn't want you to see: When Kerry ran for election to the U.S. House of Representative in 1972, "he found it necessary to suppress reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several unkempt youths crudely handling an American flag to mock the famous photo of the U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima," according to Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. "Suddenly, copies of the book became unavailable and even disappeared from libraries. But the Lowell (Mass.) Sun said of the type of person shown on its cover: ‘These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they carry the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in their efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for,'" the New American reported. Even today it is hard to find this infamous photo and book. Sleeping with the enemy: Kerry's fondness for Vietnam's communist dictatorship, one of the most oppressive in the world, continues. As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, created in 1991 to investigate reports that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam, Kerry badgered the panel into voting that no American servicemen remained in Vietnam. "[N]o one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with Hanoi, than John Forbes Kerry," noted U.S. Veteran Dispatch. "But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December 1992," reported the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, "when Hanoi announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's cousin." The "odd coincidence," according to FrontPageMagazine.com, involved a deal worth $905 million. Jeff Jacoby, the token conservative columnist at the Boston Globe, notes that Kerry continues his apologia for Vietnam's never-ending atrocities. "Far from taking the lead on the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, he has prevented it from coming to a vote. He claims that making an issue of Hanoi's repression would be counterproductive." Kerry is also a fan of China's communist dictatorship. "On May 19, 1994, five years after Tiananmen Square, Kerry spoke on the Senate floor against linking China's Most Favored Nation trade status to its human rights record," Slate reported. Kerry said: "China is the strongest military power in Asia. We need China's cooperation. We cannot afford to adopt a cold-war kind of policy that merely excludes and pushes China away." Limiting China's MFN status "would make us a bit player in a production of enormous proportions. We possess no stick, including MFN, which can force China to embrace internationally recognized human rights and freedoms." More extreme than Hillary and Kucinich: Among the White House wannabes, long-shot Rep. Dennis Kucinich has the reputation of holding the most left-wing congressional voting record. In fact, this "honor" goes to Kerry. According to American Conservative Union, Kerry has a lifetime rating of 6 percent, compared to 13 for the demolished Rep. Dick Gephardt, 14 for Sen. John Edwards, 15 for Kucinich and 19 for Sen. Joe Lieberman. Sens. Hillary Clinton and Tom Daschle score 13 percent. Only the likes of Sens. Teddy Kennedy and Barbara Boxer have more left-wing records than Kerry. In contrast, Sen. John Breaux, one of the upper chamber's few remaining moderate Democrats, has a 46. Drive as I say, not as I do: Like Al Gore and other self-described environmentalists, Kerry has a radical agenda that would devastate the U.S. economy in favor of the likes of communist China, yet he enjoys the gas-guzzling modern conveniences that greens denounce. Kerry, a delegate to the environment-destroying Earth Summit in 1992 (where he met his future wife, left-wing activist Teresa Heinz, the multimillionaire widow of GOP Sen. John Heinz), the Kyoto climate talks in 1997 and the Hague Conference of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change in 2000, has attacked President Bush for withdrawing from the anti-U.S. Kyoto Protocol. This treaty, which then-President Bill Clinton had signed, would impose severe restrictions on the United States but not Third World polluters that already enjoy huge trade surpluses with the U.S. However, although Kerry spouts the party line on anti-U.S. ecopolicy, he doesn't like to practice what he preaches. NewsMax.com humiliated him in April 2002 by publishing photos of him attending an anti-energy-independence rally and then heading back to his SUV, the symbol of all that is evil to greens. Bone to pick: Bush-hating conspiracy theorists find it alarming that the president, like his father, was a member of the secretive Skull and Bones society at Yale University. Another alum of this club: John Kerry. Waffling on Iraq: Kerry has the tough job of wooing Howard Dean's anti-war Democrats despite his support of the war in Iraq. His favorite tactic, claiming the president outfoxed him, doesn't hold up to scrutiny. On "Meet the Press" in late August, Tim Russert played a tape of Kerry addressing the Senate in October 2002 with a hard-line speech declaring Iraq "capable of quickly producing weaponizing" of biological weapons that could be delivered against "the United States itself." Kerry insisted: "That is exactly the point I'm making. We were given this information by our intelligence community." However, as columnist Robert Novak noted, "as a senator, Kerry had access to the National Intelligence Estimate that was skeptical of Iraqi capability. Being tricky may no longer be as effective politically as it once was." No doubt Dean, Lieberman, Clark and other rivals will now use these and other details to do to Kerry what the Democrats did to Dean. |
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Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!
Tell us about how AWOL Bush helped Hanoi Jane by going AWOL.
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Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!
On 20 Jan 2004 1259 -0800, arnold_wolfcastle_gupta@yahoo.co.in
(Arnold Wolfcaste) wrote: >http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...0/131219.shtml > >Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War >and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War. JFK didn't start that mess, IKE and Nixon did. grow up and get you facts straight. All you republicans do is lie lie lie!!! > >Denouncing America with ‘Hanoi' Jane: Although Wesley Clark and others >have attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski >bum, Kerry is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays >himself as. >He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme >appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Excuse me asshole but it was this group that forced Nixon to end his corporate welfare system (called the Viet Nam War). All the right wing proto-yuppies with thie long hair and beads did nothing but throw tantrums because they didn't want to join the Army and do as they were told for a change. I am a Viet Nam Vet and I support that group. >He consorted >with the likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon >Johnson's radical former attorney general. so now FREEDOM of ASSOCIATION is crime against the Bush Reich???? Bush, Rockafella and other Republicans consorted with Hitler but that's OK with you I see. And lets not forget Reagan's support of Bin laden and Saddam and Bush's support of the Terrorist group called the CONTRAS. That's OK with you too I see. > >He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971. >Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans Excuse me but your either a vet or your not. Again you lie. >testify at a Howard >Johnson's about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man >who would be president later said he found the accounts shocking and >irrefutable. So I guess opposing a republican administration (and a damned crooked one at that) is now high treason???? How Tory of you. > >Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted >minimal media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because >Fonda insisted it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the >less "authentic" Washington, D.C. > > >Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign >Relations Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. >soldiers had "raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from >portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off >limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages, >shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally >ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam." And the congress found the charges to be true. Put CIA*Phoenix into google and you'll get 113,000 hits on the subject. Project Phoenx was started by the CIA in 1967 and did some awful stuff. They used their own people plus US Military people one of which I knew 15 years back. > >‘We are not the best': In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no >communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew Is this the same Spiro Agnew that had to resign because he was such a crook and got caught??? >said ‘some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best >men die in Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of >those misfits abuse,' and this was used as a rallying point for our >effort in Vietnam. But for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was >supposed to support, his statement is a terrible distortion from which >we can only draw a very deep sense of revulsion, and hence the anger >of some of the men who are here in Washington today. It is a >distortion because we in no way consider ourselves the best men of >this country …." >U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: "Kerry's testimony, it should be >noted, occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known >by the world to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in >North Vietnamese prisons. Inlcuding Republican John McCain who the Bush camp savaged and mistreated during the primaries. >Kerry was a supporter of the ‘People's Peace >Treaty,'" a supposed ‘people's' declaration to end the war, reportedly >drawn up in communist East Germany. It included nine points, all of >which were taken from Viet Cong peace proposals at the Paris peace >talks as conditions for ending the war." SO? If someone says a certain kind of food tastes good do you spit it out cause a commie said it??? Both communism and capitalism have good parts but of course both are evil. If you take the best parts of each system and combine it into a new system you are a winner. > > >Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW >in a protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a >fence in front of the U.S. Capitol. Its a common tradition in other countries and there's even a trade where you buy medals like yours to use in the protest. >Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day >they hang on the wall of his office. SO? I have original medals, wings and ribbons and a second set I wear in parades and the like. I get them from http://www.ultrathin.com/products.htm and I'm plugging them because they do a decent job for a good price. > > >Communist stooge: And Bush is a capitalist stooge, what's your point? >The communist Daily World delightedly published >photos of him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers >displayed a banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader >Angela Davis, on record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of >your system of government and your society," the New American recalled >in May 2003. >"By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found >himself marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified >as ‘revolutionary Communists.' While noting that known Reds had openly >organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported >the presence of an ‘abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised >in the air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, >Cuba, the USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.'" > >Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: "As a national leader of >VVAW, Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to >contain the spread of Communism. What bullshit. By that time we knew what was really going on. The war was about protecting the oil leases David Rockafella had in the South China Sea, about keeping republican owned war plants prfitable (Plus some democrats too) and about paranoia and lies. Once I Nam I asked a Viet about this BS about fighting in VN to not fight in America and he said. "No fight in America, too cold there". >He used the blood of servicemen still >in the field for his own political advancement by claiming that their >blood was being shed unnecessarily or in vain. and he saved lives of other servicemen. Its just like today in Iraq. There are things worth fighting for but by the 1970's Viet Nam was not one of them. > >"Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United >States soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist >graffiti. They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under >the flag of the Viet Cong enemy." What lieing pig you are!!! You know NOITHING about what we Vets do. It is our custome to wear part of our uniforms as a sign that the war is only half over for us. The first half was in Viet Nam and the second half was when we got back and treated like trash by you draft dodging republican Tory traitors!!! The war was 30 years ago and I still use the top of my TIGER SUIT in American Parades (I"m in Australia right now and you march with a suit with your medals) and it can get faded and a bit tattored in 30 years. > >Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used >reports of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. So that was justification for the crap way you republicans and other neo-con pigs treated him during the last primaries. Why hipocrits you are. >Retired General George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's >actions had "given aid and comfort to the enemy." Mush like the Bush family gave aid, comfort, oil and supplies to Hitler in WW2??? > >In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial >for photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged >by his betrayal, have turned their backs on him. Just like I would if Bush ever had the balls to show up at the Wall. What disgrace, a coward at the wall of heros. The rest of your BS is snipped. Time for you to wake up and smell the 21st century. Communism and the USSR died 14 years ago yet you keep looking for red dust bunnies under your bed. The enemy today is globalization, the New World Order and Bush. These 3 are far worse than communism or fascism. Hidnsight is always 20-20 and we know now that Viet Nam was a big mistake. Those of us who were there believed in what we were doing then (my time was 66-67) but I think differently now. Jane Fonda is a pig who did what she did to further her movie career and is the Sarah Brady or Michael Moore of the 60's. Other Veterans saw the light much earlier than I did and were major actors in the VNVAW. You have to hand them one thing. Unlike draft dodging scum like Clinton, Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitzt etc etc, the Vets didn't have a hidden agenda like the hippie/proto-yuppies who didn't want their pretty little corporate careers interupted. We were ther, we saw some of the crooked stuff going on and we objected when we could. THOM Unlike Bush and the Bush white House (save Powell), a Viet nam vet |
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Posted by: arnold_wolfcastle_gupta@yahoo.co.in (Arnold Wolfcaste) >Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War >and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War. Yeah, I heard he gave the notes to the camp commandant and makes his hamburgers with *worms*! (I read it on the Internet.) Jones |
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Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!
Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector wrote in message news:<400dbbfd.178438171@news.supernews.com>...
> Tell us about how Bush helped Hanoi Jane by going AWOL. Bush would not go near Hanoi Janes because she was too bust spreading her STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) to all of her Viet Cong boyfriends. Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War. |
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Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! KerryCall Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!
Arnold Wolfcaste wrote: > Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector wrote in message news:<400dbbfd.178438171@news.supernews.com>... > > Tell us about how Bush helped Hanoi Jane by going AWOL. > > Bush would not go near Hanoi Janes because she was too bust spreading > her STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) to all of her Viet Cong > boyfriends. > > Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over > his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War. What were the GOP war wimps doing? -- To reply via e-mail please delete one c from paccbell |
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Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! Kerry Call Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!
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Looks like Kerry was spitting on Vietnam Vets during JFK's Vietnam War and he always talks about JFK - the guy who started the Vietnam War. >>>> JFK started the war? It is sad that an outspoken american like you don't know your history. "The Fog of war" a documentary film by McNamara will open to bigger screens in February 6. In the document and on McNamara taped conversations with JFK, the President was prepared to pull all military advisers out of vietnam near his assignation attemp. In other words and according to McNamara, there would NOT be a Vietnam War if JFK survived. And no, the war was not started from 1960 to 1963 during JFK term. To be technically correct, the war started in september 2 1945, the hour after WW II ended. And Kerry did not say that all Vietnam vet are baby killers. He said there was wide spread astrocities committed with the generals not doing anything to stop it. Among those war criminals are Bob Kerry the senator from nebraka, Colin Power the current secreatary of state. |
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Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War. >>>> I say some of Vietnam War vets in here should be thankful because of kerry action by vigourly protest in DC that helped end the war. If the war would drag for another decade, tens of thousands of Vietnam vets would have fallen in foreign soil, many of vietnam folks we are chatting right now would have been long gone. The war was not only bankupt us, it was totally immoral. It took away American pride of its history. It took away american democratic principles. It was absolutely could not be won. |
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Re: How John Kerry Helped Hanoi Jane During JFK's Vietnam War! KerryCall Viet Vets' "Baby killers" JFK - His Hero - Started The War!
Arnold Wolfcaste wrote:
> > Fair and Balanced Hyco-Limbaugh Fart Detector wrote in message news:<400dbbfd.178438171@news.supernews.com>... > > Tell us about how Bush helped Hanoi Jane by going AWOL. > > Bush would not go near Hanoi Janes because she was too bust spreading > her STDs (sexually transmitted diseases) to all of her Viet Cong > boyfriends. Are there any photographs of the Jane Fonda bimbo doing this? Well, I mean, why not? The Pamela Andersen bimbo and the Paris Hilton bimbo wanted to suppress their frolics on video. There is a Jane Fonda mug shot. Why not a Jane Fonda shot record? Call the free clinics in Berkeley and Santa Monica. By Viet Cong boyfriends do you mean boyfriends in Hanoi, or boyfriends in the U.S. universities? > Meanwhile Kerry was pissing on his Vietnam buddies while fawning over > his hero JFK who started the Vietnam War. Well, that's not so much of a stretch. |
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