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Old 05-24-2004, 11:31 PM
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The attached pic is, I am certain 'doctored', as it shows the cockpit and about 30' of the fusilage of the 767 exiting (INTACT) the WTC after smashing through the steel columns on both entry AND exit.
I got it from one of these conspiracy theory sites.

The shadow of the exiting plane seems to be wrong for Lower Manhattan at 9.03AM on that day, as the shadow has the sun far too high in the sky.


I am not a New Yorker, but I would have thought that the sun at that time would have been transiting the SOUTHERN sky, not the northern sky.


Any Photo-Recon 'experts' out there??


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Old 05-25-2004, 12:03 AM
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whereabouts did u find this ? thanks.

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Old 05-25-2004, 03:52 AM
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Mortardude,


http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulle...wforum.php?f=1


One of the wierdest sites I have ever seen. These blokes are off the planet.

The whole thing has set off my BS Detector and this pic in particular has me fascinated.

Any ideas?

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Old 05-25-2004, 11:37 PM
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Thanks for the link ! Here is one for your continued amusement.

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There is just no way that an aircraft fuselage would stay intact after hitting a building at 500+ mph. By the time the aircraft had penetrated 100 feet into the building it would be shredded and crumpled beyond all recognition. About the only piece of the aricraft that would stay reasonably intact and have enough mass to penetrate would be the engines and possibly parts of the landing gear. The conspiracy theorists who posted that doctored picture obviously don't know just how flimsy an airplane really is.
In 1946 or 1947 a B-25 Mitchell Bomber flew into the Empire State Building. About the only recognizeable parts of the plane left were the 2 Pratt & Whitney engines.
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Although I believe this to possibly be a doctored photo of that fateful day, I do have to say that there are some major differences between the 1940's crash of the B-25 at the Empire State Bldg and the crashes into the World Trade Center.

The B25 is a MUCH smaller plane than either of the two planes that crashed on Sept 11th. Also the Empire State Building is constructed of thick concrete walls with steel girders set very close together. While the construction of the World Trade Center buildings was of lighter materials, thinner walls of concrete, mostly large sheets of glass and the steel frame work was set much further apart than those of the Empire building. Also, unlike the Empire building the WTC was constructed of an open floor plan. Fewer structural walls with large areas of cubicles...what we call Cube Farms. Given the speed they were traveling it is still conceivable that a portion of the fuselage was able to pass through to the other side and indeed in some video footage it did appear to do just that. But certainly not with the wings still in tact.

As for the positioning of the sun...this occurred early morning on an early fall late summer day. I'm not exactly sure where the sun should be, but I would guess that it would still be low on the horizon. Do we know which side of the building this was supposed to be showing? All of that need to be taken into consideration before debunking or approving the validity of the photo. The photo is so grainy it is difficult to make out the important markers clearly.

I just have to say this one thing on this subject...as a transplant to New York, I am sickened and appalled at how the rest of the country is now treating this tragic date. I've visited the west coast recently and in the media it is almost as if they are saying..get over it already. How exactly is one supposed to "get over it"? And one thing that may be a huge mistake made by both NY'ers and other Americans is the assumption that when they do finally strike again that it will be at NY all over again. I doubt they will do that since they achieved their objective...to bring down the WTC. It took two separate dates separated by a few years but they did it. Next, I predict they will hit one of the following cities...Chicago, LA, San Fran, Seattle, or maybe even Atlanta. These cities are major centers of commerce, communication, and transportation. They won't go after D.C. because it is too well guarded. They won't hit NY because it too is on constant alert.

Just please learn a lesson from this that you should always be aware of your surroundings and if you think someone is acting odd or suspicious, then TELL someone! Don't be a typical NYer and just mind your own business. If it turns out to be nothing then fine, no harm, no foul. But if it is something that could have been avoided and you stood by and did nothing...think of the guilt you would live with for the rest of your life.

Okay, I'll shut up now and step down off my soapbox.

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I spent some time refrencing some websites and my own photos of the towers. The photo is correct. The towers are not oriented N,S, E,W. The photo you attach shows the jet coming out of the NE side of the tower. At that time, (9:03) the sun would still be on that side. I have attached a satellite photo of the towers taken sometime between 10:00 and 11:00.
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I have to comment to the Dragon Lady. Be carefull how you stereotype "typical NYer." I spent '82 to '86 in Manhatten (USCG Governors Island) and don't miss it a bit. I am from upstate NY and there is a huge difference in attitude. The phrase "Citiot" is used in needed cases to describe NYC people. I agree with the attitude...Don't get over it...do something about it! Looking at what is going on today, how do you get over being suckerpunched?!
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Steve,


Thanks for that. My mistake was the NSEW assumption. I am not familiar with NYC but hope to be in Oct '04.


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The highway to the left of the towers is West Side Highway. It runs North-South.
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