Can a good Muslim be a good American?

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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/02/wo...02denmark.html

Attempt to Kill Danish Cartoonist Fails

COPENHAGEN (AP) — The police foiled an attempt to kill an artist who drew a cartoon depicting the Prophet Muhammad that sparked outrage in the Muslim world, the head of Denmark’s intelligence service said Saturday.

Jakob Scharf, who heads PET, the Danish intelligence service, said a 28-year-old Somalia man was armed with an ax and a knife when he tried to enter the home of the artist, Kurt Westergaard, in Aarhus on Friday evening.

The attack on Mr. Westergaard, whose rendering was among 12 that led to the burning of Danish diplomatic offices in predominantly Muslim countries in 2006, was “terror related,” Mr. Scharf said in a statement.

“The arrested man has according to PET’s information close relations to the Somali terrorist group, Al Shabab, and Al Qaeda leaders in eastern Africa,” he said.

The man was suspected of having been involved in terror-related activities during a stay in East Africa and had been under PET’s surveillance, but not in connection with Mr. Westergaard, Mr. Scharf said.

The police shot the Somali man in a knee and a hand, authorities said. The police in Aarhus said that the suspect was seriously wounded, but that his life was not in danger.

The man, who had a permit to live in Denmark, was to be charged Saturday with attempted murder for trying to kill Mr. Westergaard and a police officer, Mr. Scharf said. His name was not released.

Mr. Westergaard, 75, who had his 5-year-old granddaughter on a sleepover, called the police and sought shelter in a specially made safe room in the house, the police said.

Officers arrived two minutes later and tried to arrest the suspect, who wielded an ax at a police officer. The officer then shot the man.

Mr. Westergaard could not be reached for comment. According to his employer, the newspaper Jyllands-Posten, Mr. Westergaard said the assailant had shouted “revenge” and “blood” when trying to enter the room where he and his grandchild had sought shelter.

Mr. Westergaard remains a potential target for extremists nearly five years after he drew a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad wearing a bomb-shaped turban. The drawing was printed along with 11 others in Jyllands-Posten in 2005.

Islamic law generally opposes any depiction of the prophet, even favorable, for fear it could lead to idolatry.

Law enforcement officials have said twice before that they had learned of plots against Mr. Westergaard.

Mr. Scharf said the new case “again confirms the terror threat that is directed at Denmark and against the cartoonist Kurt Westergaard in particular.”

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http://wbztv.com/national/pakistan.c...2.1401327.html

Pakistan Volleyball Game Bombing Toll Nears 100
Intended Targets May Have Been Tribal Elders, Police Say

A northwest Pakistani village that tried to resist Taliban infiltration struggled with grief Saturday as families mourned 96 people killed in an apparent revenge suicide bombing at an outdoor volleyball game.

The attack on Shah Hasan Khel village was one of the deadliest in a surge of bombings that have killed more than 600 since October, and it sent a bloody New Year's message to Pakistanis who dare take on the armed Islamist extremists. As rescuers looked for bodies in the rubble, many residents in the village of 5,000 were too scared Saturday to even speculate who carried out the blast.

The suicide bomber detonated some 550 pounds (250 kilograms) of high-intensity explosives on the crowded field in the village during a volleyball tournament Friday. The blast was probably intending to hit a nearby gathering of tribal elders who oversee an anti-Taliban militia. The committee was debating how to punish relatives of militants suspected in the recent killing of a fellow tribesman.

The blast leveled some three dozen mud-brick homes and covered the village with dust, smoke and the smell of burning flesh. On Saturday, numerous homes received visitors offering condolences, and funeral prayers were held for many victims.

"The people are in severe grief and fear — it is a demoralizing thing," said Raham Dil Khan, a member of the 28-member tribal council who described Friday's meeting. None of the elders was hurt.

The village lies in Lakki Marwat district near South Waziristan, a semiautonomous tribal region where the army has battled the Pakistani Taliban since October. The military operation was undertaken with the backing of the U.S., which is eager for Pakistan to free its tribal belt of militants believed to be involved in attacks on Western troops in Afghanistan.

But the offensive has provoked apparent reprisal attacks across the country. Those behind the strikes appear increasingly willing to hit targets beyond security forces. No group claimed responsibility for Friday's blast, but that is not uncommon when many civilians die.

Across Pakistan's northwest, where the police force is thin, underpaid and under-equipped, various tribes have taken security into their own hands over the past two years by setting up citizen militias to fend off the Taliban.

The government has encouraged such "lashkars," and in some areas they have proven key to reducing militant activity.

Still, tribal leaders who face off with the militants do so at personal risk. Several suicide attacks have targeted meetings of anti-Taliban elders, and militants also often go after individuals. One reason militancy has spread in Pakistan's semiautonomous tribal belt is because insurgents have slain dozens of tribal elders and filled a power vacuum.

Shah Hasan Khel village "has been a hub of militants. Locals set up a militia and expelled the militants from this area. This attack seems to be reaction to their expulsion," local police Chief Ayub Khan told reporters.

Mohammed Qayyum, 22, tried to avoid crying Saturday as he recounted how his younger brother died and his family's house was damaged.

"After the blast, I heard cries, I saw dust, and I saw injured and dead bodies," said Qayyum, who escaped injury. "See this rubble, see these destroyed homes? Everybody was happy before the explosion, but today we are mourning."

Like many others in the village, Qayyum refused to comment when asked who he thought was behind the bombing. The village's residents, many of them farmers, are mainly ethnic Pashtuns, the same group that power the Taliban in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Raham Dil Khan pledged the local militia would continue to defy militant interlopers, but he said residents needed more support — including weapons — from the government.

"We are Muslim and Pashtuns, and we know how to defend our lives and honor," the 70-something elder said while wielding an AK-47 assault rifle.

Authorities said about 300 people were on or near the field during the blast. Security was provided for the games and the elders.

Local administrator Asmatullah Khan said Saturday that 90 bodies had been identified, while six remained unknown. Thirty-six people were being treated at nearby medical centers. Eight children, six paramilitary troops and two police were among the dead, police said.

The attack was one of the deadliest in years in Pakistan, and the second deadliest since the latest wave of bloodshed began in October. A car bomb killed 112 people at a crowded market in Peshawar on Oct. 28.

Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani vowed Saturday to defeat militants, saying "the agenda of terrorists is to destabilize the country, to create panic and spread fear."

As hundreds of people poured into the village to offer condolences and aid in the rescue effort Saturday, Raees Khan, a 65-year-old who lost five relatives in the blast, showed the palms of his hands to a visiting reporter. "Look at these blisters. We were working all night to dig the dead bodies out of this rubble. We are tired."

He looked down at the pile of rubble beneath him and said, "I don't know whether there are more dead bodies under my feet."

[jriley1349]

Originally Posted by SuperScout

Regarding the latest POS who tried to blast one of our airliners out of the air, he too is a member of that 'religion of peace and love.'

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter."
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
–-Adolf Hitler

I really don't know exactly what the Q'uran says but I do know that the Bible is full of passages that were twisted to support Hitler's logic, enough so to where an entire "Christian" country turned to systematic genocide. To espouse that all "good" Muslims are dedicated to the destruction of the infidel without having studied the Q'uran or knowing the people, is also a "twist" and an attempt at political control through fear and ignorance. This guy sums up how the tactic works:

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
--Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

I prefer the logic of these guys:

"Not in our day, but at no distant one, we may shake a rod over the heads of all, which may make the stoutest of them tremble. But I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us, that the less we use our power, the greater it will be"
-– Thomas Jefferson.

"The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral, begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy. Instead of diminishing evil, it multiplies it. Through violence you may murder the liar, but you cannot murder the lie, nor establish the truth. Through violence you may murder the hater, but you do not murder hate. In fact, violence merely increases hate. So it goes."
--Martin Luther King, Jr.

Intelligent, informed and reasonable citizens must decide if a threat is justified, or if it's political BS.

[Arrow]

My conclusion as an intelligent, reasonable, informed citizen when someone enters my home or homeland with murder on their mind considering them anything but a justifiable threat is personal and/or national suicide.

http://www.911neverforget.us/

[SuperScout]

Exackery!

Just because some fool allegedly claims to be acting in a Christian way doesn't ipso facto make him a Christian.

And contrary to what Martin Luther King, Jr. wanted to espouse, it was violence that ended the evil regimes of Hitler and Tojo, and now those two countries are relatively peaceful.

Try to read the Qu'ran, jr., and see for yourself that a 'good' muslim deals with us infidels in only one or two ways: he either converts us or kills us. Meanwhile, I want 'good' muslims dead, really dead. By any means.

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When my daughter graduated from high school they held their Baccalaureate sermon in a Baptist church about four doors down from the county courthouse which has the Ten Commandments on a plaque on the front. The main speaker was the local head of Muslims who had a son in the graduating class. After the sermon there was a prayer given asking God to bless the students while all held hands: Muslim, Christian and Jew. They read Dr Seuss's "Oh the Places You Will Go" and then played "I Hope You Have the Time of Your Life" by Green Day. It was totally put on by the students.

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MSGT Mike Booher (now ret) He was a recruiter doing a tour in Afghanistan. He was with two other recruiters in a Hummer going unescourted down a road in Afghanistan when an IED was detonated. It killed the other two guys and destroyed the vehicle. It was later in the afternoon and he was alone except for his two dead buddies. He was addled by the explosion but other than being covered in blood and brains he was uninjured. He called for help on the radio and was told nobody was coming until morning. He was going to have to spend the night alone in enemy territory and the enemy knew he was there and helpless except for his M-16. He was abandoned. Nearby a local village woman heard of his plight. She sneaked through Taliban territory and guided Mike back to her home where he was secluded for the night. The next day he was "rescued". Nadjla had a reason to hate the Taliban. They had killed her brother and uncle. Mike and her family were brought back to safety. In gratitude for her bravery, she was awarded an honorary CIB by US forces.

To make a long story short, the family was granted asylum in the USA. Later Mike and Nadjla were married after he converted to Islam. We not very enthusiastic about that but it's a free country. They had a gorgeous little girl together by the name of Laila. She is now two years old.

Mike comes from a military family. His father Chet, my brother in law was in Korea with the 1st Cav and was awarded the CIB. A son of Mike's, Seth, is a crew chief on a Medevac helicopter in Iraq. The other son Theron is signed up to go into the Air Force after he graduates.

I am proud of all my nephews and am especially proud of my little grand niece, Laila, part Afghan Muslim and part Tennessee hillbilly.

I don't know who the female DI is in Seth's picture but she is the scariest one in the photos.

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http://wbztv.com/national/american.t...2.1403410.html

Pakistan To Seek Life Sentences For Five U.S. Men

One of five Americans detained in Pakistan on Monday acknowledged their aim to go to Afghanistan to wage holy war against Western forces but defended their plans as justified under Islam.

However, he denied any links to al Qaeda or plans to carry out terrorist attacks in Pakistan.

Monday was the first time the young Muslims from the Washington, D.C., area have addressed a court after being arrested in early December in the eastern Pakistani city of Sargodha. The case has spurred fears that Westerners are traveling to Pakistan to join militant groups. Pakistani police have said they plan to seek life sentences for the men under the country's anti-terrorism law.

"We are not terrorists," one of the men, Ramy Zamzam, told The Associated Press as he entered a courtroom in Sargodha on Monday.

"We are jihadists, and jihad is not terrorism," he said, referring to the word for Islamic holy war.

Zamzam did not elaborate, but some Muslims believe it is their duty to wage jihad against foreign forces they view as occupying a Muslim country.

The men, aged 19 to 25, denied they had ties with al Qaeda or other militant groups during a court appearance Monday in Sargodha, said their attorney, Ameer Abdullah Rokri.

"They told the court that they did not have any plan to carry out any terrorist act inside or outside Pakistan," said Rokri. "They said that they only intended to travel to Afghanistan to help their Muslim brothers who are in trouble, who are bleeding and who are being victimized by Western forces."

The Americans arrived amid tight security. About a dozen police cars escorted the prison van inside the court premises as officers manned the rooftops of surrounding buildings. The men wore handcuffs as they walked into the courthouse for their hearing.

The court remanded the men to prison for 14 days to give police time to prepare their case, said Rokri.

"We have told the court that police have completed their investigation and have enough evidence against the five suspects to try them under anti-terrorism law," said police officer Matiullah Shahani.

Police have not said what the group's intended target was, but authorities say the men had a map of Chashma Barrage — a complex located near nuclear power facilities that includes a water reservoir and other structures. It lies in the populous province of Punjab, about 125 miles (200 kilometers) southwest of the capital, Islamabad.

Pakistan has a nuclear weapons arsenal, but also nuclear power plants for civilian purposes.

The court ordered the release of one of the suspects' fathers, Khalid Farooq, because of a lack of evidence that he had committed any crime, said police officer Tahir Shirazai.

It was unclear if Farooq, also a U.S. citizen, was still in custody since authorities said they had released him more than two weeks ago.

Pakistani police and government officials have made a series of escalating and, at times, seemingly contradictory allegations about the men's intentions, while U.S. officials have been far more cautious. The U.S. is also looking at charging the men — Umar Farooq, Waqar Khan, Ahmed Minni, Aman Hassan Yemer and Ramy Zamzam.

Officials in both countries have said they expect the men to eventually be deported back to the United States, though charging them in Pakistan could delay that process.

The U.S. Embassy has declined to comment on the potential charges the men face in Pakistan.

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These asshats say they're not terrorists, but jihadists, and that they're justified under Islamic law. What a bunch of crap! At least 2 are US citizens and they planned on going to Afghanistan to fight US troops. Let's see does this come under 'treason'? I think it does! Another reason why a "good" Muslim cannot be a good American!

[SEATJERKER]

...

..."Are " They ", or are the're any good anyone's anymore,...

...I'm begining to wonder Who / Whom to ""trust"" anymore,...


... It seems in this nation of a melting pot after two plus centuries, the flood gates have been left open, and around any corner, right up to banging on your front door, is there anyone left to be trusted,...

... "My car broke down",... yea right, as I grip the stock of my friend "Browning",...

...I trust God, My friends Smith, and Wesson, Marlin, Savage, and my property lines, and if you'd care to read, the sign says, "IF YOU CAN READ THIS, YOUR IN RANGE,...

...I'm at the point where I trust no one, and if you test the waters, you'd better be able to walk on it,...

...

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34687312...d_central_asia

Jordanian double-agent killed CIA officers
Officials: Perpetrator of Afghan attack was supposed to infiltrate al-Qaida

The suicide bombing on a CIA base in Afghanistan last week was carried out by a Jordanian doctor who was an al-Qaida double agent, Western intelligence officials told NBC News.

Initial reports said that the attack, which killed seven CIA officers, was carried out by a member of the Afghan National Army.

According to Western intelligence officials, the perpetrator was Humam Khalil Abu-Mulal al-Balawi, 36, an al-Qaida sympathizer from the town of Zarqa, which is also the hometown of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the Jordanian militant Islamist responsible for several devastating attacks in Iraq.

Al-Balawi was arrested by Jordanian intelligence more than a year ago. However, the Jordanians believed that al-Balawi had been successfully reformed and brought over to the American and Jordanian side, setting him up as an agent and sending him off to Afghanistan and Pakistan to infiltrate al-Qaida.

His specific mission, according to officials, was to find and meet Ayman al Zawahiri, al-Qaida’s No. 2, also a physician.

However, the Al-Jazeera Web site quoted a Taliban spokesman who said al-Balawi misled Jordanian and U.S. intelligence services for a year. The spokesman, Al-Hajj Ya'qub, promised to release a video confirming his account of the attack.

Last week, according to the Western officials, al-Balawi reportedly called his handler to say he needed to meet with the CIA’s team based in Khost, Afghanistan, because he said he had urgent information he needed to relay about Zawahiri.

Close relations with Jordanian intelligence
His handler was a senior intelligence official, identified in Jordanian press accounts as Sharif Ali bin Zeid.

But bin Zeid was not just a Jordanian intelligence officer; he was also a member of the Jordanian royal family and was a first cousin of the king and grandnephew of the first king Abdullah.

Bin Zeid’s prominent role offers rare insight into the close partnership between American and Jordanian intelligence officials and how crucial their relationship has become to the overall counterterrorism strategy.

"We have a close partnership with the Jordanians on counterterrorism matters," a U.S. official told The Washington Post. "Having suffered serious losses from terrorist attacks on their own soil, they are keenly aware of the significant threat posed by extremists."

Jordan's official news agency, Petra, said bin Zeid was killed "on Wednesday evening as a martyr while performing the sacred duty of the Jordanian forces in Afghanistan" and provided no further details about his death.

Meanwhile, Al-Jazeera reported that al-Balawi's family refused to speak to the media on instructions from Jordanian security services.

Sources close to the family told Al-Jazeera's website that Jordanian Intelligence arrested the perpetrator's younger brother and ordered his father not to set up a condolence tent for his son so that it would not turn into a gathering place for jihadist sympathizers.

Key base for CIA
According to Western officials, bin Zeid, along with the seven CIA officers, were killed when al-Balawi, the formerly trusted informant turned double-agent, detonated his suicide belt at Camp Chapman.

Some of the officers had flown in from Kabul for what was thought to be an important meeting.

The base was used to direct and coordinate CIA operations and intelligence gathering in Khost, a hotbed of insurgent activity because of its proximity to Pakistan's lawless tribal areas, former CIA officials said. Among the CIA officers killed was the chief of the operation, they said.

Six other people were wounded in what was one of the worst attacks in CIA history.

Qari Hussain, a top militant commander with the Pakistani Taliban who is believed to be a suicide bombing mastermind, said last week that militants had been searching for a way to damage the CIA's ability to launch missile strikes on the Pakistani side of the border.

Using remote-controlled aircraft, the U.S. has launched scores of such missile attacks in the tribal regions over the past year and a half, aiming for high-value al-Qaida and other militant targets. The most successful strike, in August, killed former Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud at his father-in-law's home.

The Washington Post reported Friday that the CIA base has been at the heart of overseeing this covert program. The newspaper cited two former intelligence officials who have visited Chapman as saying that U.S. personnel there are heavily involved in the selection of al-Qaida and Taliban targets for the drone aircraft strikes.

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to make a long story short; you can't trust a Muslim.