You Do The Math!

[HARDCORE]

With some 6000 National Guard Troops scheduled for deployment along our southern border with Mexico, and certain vested segments of our (and Mexico?s) society crying the blues over this fact, have you ever stopped to think what this really amounts to?

To the south, we have some 2000 miles of international line to patrol, and roughly 5,500 miles along the Canadian Border to concern ourselves with. Naturally, the border with Mexico is of far more concern today, considering the questionable activity that takes place within this region! But have you ever stopped to figure what the infusion of a mere 6000 National Guard Troops will really amount to?

Now I fully realize that these 6000 National Guard Troops will be temporarily added to assist our way-undermanned Border Patrol, but even at that, the total numbers that will be available to hold back a fast growing army of illegals, is woefully low! It must also be remembered that the ?Guard? will not take an active roll in patrol duties, but will act more as a support mechanism, according to the media and the all-knowing powers that be?

With an estimated 12,000,000 or more illegals (probably much, much more) already in country, and many hundreds more arriving each and every day - coupled with the fact that these 6000 National Guardsmen will not be spread out uniformly along the entire border, I feel that we will still be hard-pressed to get the job done! And any electronic surveylance equipment to be deployed will still leave humungous gaps - gaps that will be exploited, maybe even by the Mexican Government itself!
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According to the rough figures that I have been able to attain from a "FOX NEWS NETWORK" report, there are currently some 11,300 Border Patrol Agents as of this point. Also, a rough estimate claims that only about one out of every four attempted illegal entrants are caught and returned to the border?

Another 14,000 Border Patrol Agents will be added by the year 2011, for a total of 25,300. The question is: "How many more illegals (from all nations) will enter our country by that time?"

It is also said that by the time the number of Border Patrol Agents reaches this point (over 25,000), our National Guard Troops will be relieved of border duty and removed..... (MAYBE and Maybe Not?)

[reconeil]

What you and/or other ACTUAL (more than just a few phonies are out there) American Patriots should further realize, is that the: "12,000,000" figure currently bandied about for the daily and never ending: "Criminally Illegal Alien Invasion of America",...was about the very same QUITE CONSERVATIVE GUESSTIMATE as was given to Americans ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO. Amazingly(?),...the number hasn't changed in ABOUT 30 YEARS????????????

Do the chronological math, Rick.
Then, just tell me whom are perpetually BS'n whom,...here in this UNARGUABLY (since a fact) World's Welfare State called: "America"?

Neil

[Seascamp]

I don?t think there is any closed form math that covers the institutional crazy making that has and is occurring. Within +/- 10 million people, we have nothing but a guess as to how many illegals have crossed, who they are, where they are or what their intentions are. Some of our high Senate politicos, who certainly know better, indirectly assert that this is a good thing and presumably they are all for the status quo, such as it is. Begs the questions as to who or what they are protecting, and for what reasons or purpose.

By design, I?m not sure an accomplished pulp fiction Sci-fi writer could come up with such a crazy soup-sandwich of cross conflict and mutually exclusive purposes. I suppose it is possible but wouldn?t seem to reflect any conceivable stretch of reality.

Scamp

[HARDCORE]

NEIL -

It would not surprise me a bit! As a matter of fact, if one were to tally up the closet illegals, the numbers might rise to in excess of 25,000,000. And if our economy falters, they (illegals) can always cross into Canada in search of greener pastures...

"I wonder if the Canadians realize this eventuality and potentiality?"

I am so damned disgusted with this whole mess and the political flakes who have the power, but not the will, to rectify the situation........................................

[SuperScout]

In Texas, the football fields are 100 yards in length, and according to my math, that's 300'. To try the simplistic approach and think that we should post a soldier every 200, 300, or 600' is patently ludricrous. There are some areas of the border that don't need to be covered by manpower at all; existing technology can accomplish it. Other areas are impassable even for wetbacks with coyotes.

I suspect that some back-channel pressure is being applied, even as we speak, to get the attention of Fox; after all, he quickly backed down from his earlier pledge to sign into law an act that would turn Mexico into a drug free zone. I predict that there will soon be a major military acton along the border with shots being fired both ways, but our marksmanship will prevail.

[HARDCORE]

The volatility of the border is well known to anyone with even half a brain. Putting the military along said border is, in my opinion, as much a show of justifiable force as it is to ease the pressure on the Border Patrol. "A workable Maginot Line so to speak!"

What other recourse does one have when you are faced with an Adolf Fox thumbing his nose at the president, the government, and indeed, even the people of all ethnic backgrounds who make up the U.S. of A. "Harsh but true!"

Fox, a wannabe power unto himself, is not about to share the wealth with the little folks of his nation. As such, he is condoning, if not orchestrating, this mass exodus - does that sound familiar?

"AGAIN, THESE ARE BUT MY OPINIONS!"

VERITAS

[Seascamp]

Are we supposed to believe that the last Mexican Federalie military incursion across the border was an isolated incident and that the perps were nothing but ?bandits? in fake uniforms and vehicles? And then are we supposed to believe that the Federalies do not provide armed military escort for contraband runners on a reasonably regular basis?

I have heard rumors of this for years but no real substation or backup until now. And I suppose there have been confrontations we will never hear of and I don?t suppose the corrupt Federalies are going to give up the lucrative armed dope runs across ?thunder alley?.

All this being said, there is a better than even chance that the prediction has already come to pass but has never seen the light of day. And our present border policy of ?don?t make any waves or rock the boat? makes sure that whatever goes on at the border, stays at the border. Like em' or no, I thank the "Minutemen" for bringing focus and bright lights to our National dirty little secret.

Scamp

[Jerry D]

The Last Military incursion the US Army ventured into Mexico, Jefferson Davis was Sec Of War and Robert E Lee was a Captain in 1838 . In this rank he took part in the Mexican War .Repeatedly winning distinction for conduct and bravery. He received the brevets of major for Cerro Gordo, lieut.-colonel for Contreras-Churubusco and colonel for Chapultepec.The Mexican-American War was largely a conventional conflict fought by traditional armies consisting of infantry, cavalry and artillery using established European-style tactics. As American forces penetrated into the Mexican heartland, some of the defending forces resorted to guerrilla tactics to harass the invaders, but these irregular forces did not greatly influence the outcome of the war.

After the beginning of hostilities, the U.S. military embarked on a three-pronged strategy designed to seize control of northern Mexico and force an early peace. Two American armies moved south from Texas, while a third force under Colonel Stephen Kearny traveled west to Sante Fe, New Mexico and then to California. In a series of battles at Palo Alto and Resaca de Palma (near current-day Brownsville, Texas), the army of General Zachary Taylor defeated the Mexican forces and began to move south after inflicting over a thousand casualties. In July and August of 1846, the United States Navy seized Monterey and Los Angeles in California. In September, 1846, Taylor's army fought General Ampudia's forces for control of the northern Mexican city of Monterey in a bloody three-day battle. Following the capture of the city by the Americans, a temporary truce ensued which enabled both armies to recover from the exhausting Battle of Monterey. During this time, former President Santa Anna returned to Mexico from exile and raised and trained a new army of over 20,000 men to oppose the invaders. Despite the losses of huge tracts of land, and defeat in several major battles, the Mexican government refused to make peace. It became apparent to the Polk Administration that only a complete battlefield victory would end the war. Continued fighting in the dry deserts of northern Mexico convinced the United States that an overland expedition to capture of the enemy capital, Mexico City, would be hazardous and difficult. To this end, General Winfield Scott proposed what would become the largest amphibious landing in history, (at that time), and a campaign to seize the capital of Mexico.

On March 9, 1847, General Scott landed with an army of 12,000 men on the beaches near Veracruz, Mexico's most important eastern port city. From this point, from March to August, Scott and Santa Anna fought a series of bloody, hard-fought battles from the coast inland toward Mexico City. The more important battles of this campaign include the Battles of : Cerro Gordo (April 18), Contreras (August 20), Churubusco (August 20), Molino del Rey (September 8) and Chapultepec (September 13). Finally, on September 14, the American army entered Mexico City. The city's populace offered some resistance to the occupiers, but by mid-October, the disturbances had been quelled and the U.S. Army enjoyed full control. Following the city's occupation, Santa Anna resigned the presidency but retained command of his army. He attempted to continue military operations against the Americans, but his troops, beaten and disheartened, refused to fight. His government soon asked for his military resignation. Guerrilla operations continued against Scott's lines of supply back to Veracruz, but this resistance proved ineffective.

On February 2, 1848, The Treaty of Guadeloupe Hidalgo was signed, later to be ratified by both the U.S. and Mexican Congresses. The treaty called for the annexation of the northern portions of Mexico to the United States. In return, the U.S. agreed to pay $15 million to Mexico as compensation for the seized territory. The bravery of the individual Mexican soldier goes a long way in explaining the difficulty the U.S. had in prosecuting the war. Mexican military leadership was often lacking, at least when compared to the American leadership. And in many of the battles, the superior cannon of the U.S. artillery divisions and the innovative tactics of their officers turned the tide against the Mexicans. The war cost the United States over $100 million, and ended the lives of 13,780 U.S. military personnel. America had defeated its weaker and somewhat disorganized southern neighbor, but not without paying a terrible price.

[Seascamp]

The immigrants of the Mexican American war give an interesting twist to the current era tribulations. At the time the population dumping was going on in Ireland and the US was experiencing a wave of Irish immigration. Meeting the incoming ships was the US Army recruiters and they paid a recruiting bonus of $50. The recruits were called ?Potato Famine Privates? and were principally Irish Catholics. Evidently their Army treatment was very harsh due to the fact that the US Army of the time was comprised of a large number of Irish Protestants, or so it is alleged.

On the eve of the Mexican American War a significant number of Potato Famine Privates deserted and headed south into Mexico, allegedly seeking relief from the harsh repression. As events unfolded, they formed the ?San Patricio? Battalion of the Mexican Army and fought against the US Army and were collectively known as the San Patricios. At the close of hostilities the remaining few San Patricios were hunted down and either hung or face branded as deserters.
Future President Zachary Taylor favored clemency but this conflicted with Gen. Winfield Scott?s orders for harsh punishment and at the time Taylor was subordinate to Scott. Scott had Presidential ambitions at the time but the black dog of the San Patricio fate plus other factors put that idea to rest. Taylor later succeeded where Scott didn?t.

The San Patricios are still celebrated and remembered as heros in Mexico on St. Pat's day.

Scamp

[revwardoc]

Jerry,

The last US incusion into Mexico was in (I think) 1916 when Black Jack Pershing pursued Pancho Villa after he and his bandits attacked Columbus, NM.