Who killed JFK, this year will be 40 years ago

[exlrrp]

One thing the Zapruder film makes very clear is that he was fired upon from 2 directions, front and back. The second shot is definitely a head shot from the front. Taken frame by frame, like they did on THC definitely shows his brains being blown out the back of his head. I saw someone shot exactly like this from 20' away and thats the way it looked. That would mean Oswald, if it was him, was accompanied. I personally think oswald was set up, he was an easily controlled dupe. He may not have fired at all.
Ruby was another bobo, easily duped or persuaded.
This is all conjecture of course but I think it points to Mafia--the signs are all there. Who else could have done it? I think that history has proven the Commies to be too bumbling to pull this off and it not be known later. RFKs thing with Sam Giancana may have done it. Note the heat dropped off the MAfia considerably.

James

[SEATJERKER]

...from my first recolections of JFK being murdered, I watched as much as I could, and up through the Warren Com results, even I knew that something stunk at 5 years old...

...twist, after twist, was LHO the lone gunman,...

... NO WAY!!!...

...the rifle "used" was one of the things that my Father commented on saying... "IT COULDN'T HIT A BULL IN THE ASS",...

...I pulled this up, and being an "akk-u-rite" shooter myself, I would like to find one of "supposed" firearms, and try it...

...from the 6th floor, what was the distance, and speed of the motorcade???, bolt action, wasn't it???

...where's COL. Murph for the breakdown???, Col, you out there???...


This page last updated: 07/26/2003 11:51:24
As I find time, I will add more facts pertaining to the assasination of J.F.K., that lead me to believe Lee Harvey Oswald did not act alone, and that their is a conspiracy.


Facts about the gun allegedly used in the assasination:
Deputy Sheriff E. L. Boone and Deputy Constable Symour Weitzman, both of whom had above average knowledge of rifles, and Deputy Roger Craig all reported that the rifle found on the sixth floor of the school book depository was a 7.65mm German Mauser. Craig claims he saw the word, "Mauser" stamped on the weapon. None of these officers positively identified the Mannlicher-Carcano as the weapon they found, when asked by the Warren Commission.

A CIA document on the assasination, reads, "The weapon which appears to have been used in this criminal attack is a Model 91 rifle, 7.35 caliber, 1938 modification...The description of a 'Mannlicher-Carcano' rifle in the Italian and foreign press is in error."

The FBI reported that this Mannlicher-Carcano was part of a gun shipment that was involved in a legal proceding between the Carlo Riva Machine Shop and Adam Consolidated Inc., inwhich they claim the rifles were defective.

The order form used to obtain the rifle, reportedly came from the Feb. 1963 issue of American Rifleman magazine (according to the Warren Commission). This ad advertises a 36inch overall length rifle, but the Mannlicher-Carcano is 40inches long. The Warren Commission published a "duplicate" of the ad, rather than a copy of the original (which was available to them), and in their "duplicate" ad a 40inch rifle is depicted.

During testimony to the Warren Commission, Ronald Simmons of the Infantry Weapons Evaluation Branch of the Ballistics Research Laboratory of the Department of the Army reported, "Well, they could not sight the weapon in, using the telescope", "We did adjust the telescopic sight by the addition of two shims, one which tended to adjust the azimuth and one which adjusted an elevation". So, the Commision was aware that the rifle could not be sighted accuratly in the condition it was found in the school book depository.

Rifle experts also told the Warren Commission that the telescopic sight was adjusted for a left handed shooter, but Lee Harvey Oswald was right handed.

Paraffin tests on Oswald cheek to detect nitrates were negative, indicating he did not fire a rifle on Nov. 22, 1963. These test results were removed by the Warren Commission when they reprinted the Dallas police reports.

It is standard police procedure to photograph prints on evidence prior to lifting them, but no photographs were taken of the palm print allegedly found on the Mannlicher-Carcanno. Also, on Nov. 23, 1963, the day after the palm print was "found" the FBI labs in Washington, D.C. reported, "No latent prints of value were developed on Oswald's revolver, the cartridges cases, the unfired cartridge, the clip in the rifle or the inner parts of the rifle"
So, what kind of rifle was found on the sixth floor of the Dallas school book depository? and how did Lee Harvey Oswald manage to hit two men, with three shots, at 176.9ft(first shot) 265.3feet(mortal shot), in 6 seconds, using a defective rifle, that could not be accuratly sighted in?

[Andy]

Two quick points on what you said.

Sammy G. and friends were very happy about Bobby loosing power and the will to go after the mob following the events of November ?63. They also found LBJ to be of their liking.

About the shooting itself and I don?t understand why this point hasn?t been shouted from the roof tops: the motorcycle cop. There was a cycle cop who was riding passenger side rear of the president?s car. Once the shooting happened he and others escorted the limo to Parkland. When they stopped at the hospital, one of the other officers walked over to this cop and pointed out he had drops of ?fluid? and a couple small pieces of brain on his uniform. The cop was to the right rear of Kennedy. Where did the head shot bullet come from? It is not necessary to call in Sherlock Holmes on this one.

Rigger, loved your questions. I can hear a defense attorney asking that line of questions in a court room. While cross examining the high ranking staff officer doctors who hadn?t done an autopsy in ten years but did Kennedy?s post mortem exam. Would have loved to heard the answers.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[82Rigger]

If you were working an armed bank robbery and questioned 25 people inside the bank at the time, how many different descriptions would you expect to get?

Now...let's change that a little. Suppose you were questioning the enlisted
personnel that were on duty at Bethesda Naval Hospital the night of the autopsy. There were at least two dozen, probably more than thirty people.
To your question, "What time did the autopsy begin?" the response was one group of people stating confidently that it began at 8:00 PM and another group of people stating just as confidently that it started at 10:00 PM. Not a "variety"of times, but ONLY TWO times...8 and 10 PM.

To your question, "What kind of coffin did the body arrive in?"
the response was one group of people stating confidently that it arrived through the front door in the heavy bronze ceremonial casket from Dallas, and another group stating that it arrived through the back door in a plain crackled finish grey shipping casket. Again, not a variety of descriptions, but ONLY TWO.

Considering that these personnel were affected just like the rest of us that day, i.e. events and times are etched into our minds even after such a long time due to the magnitude and trauma of the event, what would you conclude?

Airborne! Steve / 82Rigger

[kmetz]

also have an affair with a mob boss' girlfriend?

[82Rigger]

...I was very active in service rifle competition for over thirty years.
During that period I avidly reloaded, collected, and bought, sold, and traded firearms.

I had the opportunity to own a 6.5 Mannlicher-Carcano carbine, and to shoot several others. Compared to the bolt action rifles I was used to, i.e. 03 Springfields, M98 Mauser actions, etc...
Well, I'm here to tell ya, that Carcano was BAD!!! Very poorly designed and manufactured, but most importantly, the action was very rough. It would gall and bind frequently even when generously lubricated. The trigger was horrible. Not only a heavy pull, but it was very rough and uneven.
The chamber was so rough you could see reamer circles on the fired cases!

If you're gonna convince me that that rifle fired three accurately aimed shots in the time frame of the shots in Dallas, you better be prepared to stand in front of me and do it.

Airborne! Steve / 82Rigger

[exlrrp]

The timing of the Zapruder film shows the 2d shot as 2.3 seconds after the first--virtually impossible to manually slam the bolt back and forth, sight and shoot any rifle that accurately, least of all the clunky Manlicher Carcano on a moving target, moving obliquely away. When you read the description of the M-C, it sounds exactly like somthing someone would rig up to frame some idiot, not a serioous assassin weapon. Oswald may well have carried it in and put it where they found it on some strange pretext given to him--they (pretty near everybody) gamed him all his life. The front shot was simple oncoming, a much easier shot. The first shot was fairly obviously a signal for the 2d
the THC program talked about a storm drain on the over pass ahead that might have been used. The Zapruder film shows what might be smoke from a shot coming from there. Many witnesses said the shot came from there, they have pictures of several people pointing there.

I think James Earl Ray was also set up and other evidence was completely ignored by the FBI, certainly on the orders of J Edgar Hoover

James

[Andy]

Kmetz: Yes JFK and Sammy G. were both boyfriends of the same young lady. It would seem that most people would be worried about "dating" a woman with connections like that but during the war (WWII) Kennedy was having an affair with a woman being followed by the FBI as a suspected German agent. That was when he got shipped off to the South Pacific.

Rigger: Yes, with 12 witnesses you get at least 12 stories. Two groups of stories only happens when there is a two car crash and all the "friends" of one driver tell one story and the "friends" of the other tell another. "Friends" in the JFK case might not be the correct word.

You folks are right about the Mannlicher, it is a piece of crap, far inferior to a .30-06 of the Springfield variety. I'm probably wrong but I'd guess Lee Harvy got a shot or two off. Also believe there were 3 maybe 4 shots. But the point is, there was more than one guy with a rifle, hence a conspiracy.

We've gone where we always do. Sid asks about the food chain and how high up it went regarding the assassination. Here we are, pointing out details following the shooting. I don't see high members of the government playing an active roll, prior to the shooting, only being part of the cover up, but I've been wrong before.

Stay healthy,
Andy

[bbeil]

Jack Ruby could answer it all, however he had terminal cancer and died within a few months of being arrested for killing LHO.
I talked to a guy from Dallas that was a criminal type in the 50s&60s and he told me that Jack Ruby was the man to see if you had stolen a deer rifle out of a pickup etc. right before the Bay of Pigs. If you were a thief in the Dallas Ft.Worth area you could get top dollar for deer rifles and the cops could care less if it was sold to Jack Ruby. This guy also said he found out later that Jack Ruby was obtaining the rifles for the the fed's for the Bay of Pigs invasion so that no U.S. weapons would be involved.
Jack Ruby worked both sides of the street and was the key to the door that was slammed shut after JFK was was killed.
A lot of people wanted JFK dead,-- but only one group that could cover it up-- with the warren commission assigned to prove one person did it and no commission to prove otherwise.

[Stormy]

Why did the Kennedy's and Jackie accept the commission's report? Has one of the Kennedy's ever questioned the Warren Commission?