Reasonable S.S. Questions

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Reasonable S.S. Questions
by N.R. Filidei (August 28, 2005)


Why are the: "Leftists/Socialists/Democrats posing as Liberals" so-damn-adamently, vehemently and venimously opposing The Republicans/Conservatives trying to improve The Social Security System? Democrats have been supposedly(?): "Fixing" same every year since I can remember. GUESS (not really) that for The Dems,...IT'S EITHER MY WAY OR NO WAY (as usual)?

Are Democrats and their wild-eyed and fanatical supporters so fearful that any changes to Social Security will deny them continued access to F.I.C.A. monies (Trust Fund redirected to GENERAL FUND ala Lyndon Johnson & Gang)? Or, are The Democrats concerned that large sums of Social Security Savings being gifted to foreigners never having PAID ONE-THIN-DIME INTO F.I.C.A (FIRST STARTED ala Jimmy Carter & Gang),...might finally come to a screeching halt for their foreign constituants?

But still, are even today's politicians so-damn-similarly greedy and selfish (naturally towards Private Sector Americans only)? Why all the hullaballoo over denying The American People possibly having only near as good a retirement package, as same American Taxpayer are dictated PROVIDING FOR "THEY" & THEIRS?

I've emphasized: PROVIDING FOR "THEY" & THEIRS, since most all FREE Public Sector Great Retirement Packages continue on for "Their" Families,...even after death. Whereas, SAVED FOR Social Security Accounts are individual and basically if dying one day after retirement,...Tough Luck. YOU LOOSE EVERYTHING both you and employer PAID (1/2 & 1/2) INTO F.I.C.A.,...FOR A LIFETIME.

Politicians, officials and such pay in nothing and loose nothing, even after death. Their Grand and Publicly Funded Retirement ESTATES just go on and on, and until no longer needed by immediate family.

Regardless, and mixing FREE lordly pensions with those We Peasants lifetime pay for aside, I personally don't see why all the feigned uproar over improving The Social Security System?
All changes proposed are VOLUNTARY.
Only a small percentage will be permitted to SELF INVEST.
No changes proposed will effect those ALREADY RETIRED.
So,...what's-the-big-deal?

And besides, if: "Leftists/Socialists/Democrats posing as Liberals" (AARP also) WERE REALLY CONCERNED(?) about America's Elderly and their retirements,...why not try being sensible for-a-change INSTEAD of just perpetually and for no reason scaring-the-hell out of Old Folks? Is notoriety and falsely projecting a sense of superiority and being more caring than Republicans,...NEEDED ALL THAT BAD?

If TRULY caring, you might INSTEAD insist that the entire American Public be similarly privy to the greatest retirement package ever known mankind ALSO, such as GOVERNMENT QUITE GENEROUSLY GIVE "THEMSELVES"...at The Taxpayer's PERPETUAL EXPENSE?

Seems fair enough to me.
Plus, denying all Government Officials and Workers their special, infinitely better and quite priviledged and preferential retirement packages, and INSTEAD have ALL Americans as part of The Social Security System,...would also be fair.

"You can bet you sweet bippy" that if America's self-glorifying and aggrandising Public Officials, Politicians, Leaders and/or Rulers were instead part of The Social Security System as the rest of We Peons,...America's entire Elderly Population would undoubtedly end up with the best retirement package ever known mankind, ALSO.

All things (The People also) being Equal,...such just stands to reason.
Don't you think?

The End

Neil

[Gimpy]

.......NO........! :re:

[Packo]

Ahh, Neil....

Leave government workers out of this. We pay into SS just like anyone else and our "special, privledged, etc" retirement is a 401K just like most other people. We have no Privledged special retirement program.....believe me. Now would I like to have a choice as to paying into SS or getting that money to invest as I please, yes I would. Do politicians get too good of a retirement and don't have to pay into SS....yes. But we government workers are no special class so kindly leave us out of this.

Thank you,

Pack

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As a Government Worker, IF all you get at retirement is what you/We paid into your F.I.C.A. or 401K's that you/We pay into (?),...believe you're getting screwed.
Most Government Workers I ever heard of,...get nice Government Pensions and Great Coverage covering entire family, Paid Entirely For by The American Citizenry (as most everything else).

Also, GREAT SUMS gifted to: "Foreigners NEVER HAVING PAID ONE-THIN-DIME into F.I.C.A." from F.I.C.A. Monies; "(ala Jimmy Carter & Gang)",...are ripped-off just as well from YOUR Social Security Account, as from mine. Guess you don't mind such being taken from YOUR 1/2 of contributed to Social Security Monies?

I quite differently DON'T like MY/OUR (as your employer) 1/2 contributed to YOUR Social Security Account,...going to foreigners. NOT AT ALL & NO-WAY-IN-HELL do I like such.

Think about it.

Neil

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I personally don't care what changes are made (or not) for Social Security, since not effecting me whatsoever. I'm retired and been collecting same.

Regardless, if I were younger and able to participate in the SMALL & VOLUNTARY portion of my F.I.C.A. deductions being self- directed or self-invested,...I would jump at the chance.
Did quite well with my KEOGH, IRA and wifes IRA and 401K,...and don't even have to contend with Great Capital Gains (BEAUTIFUL).

Understood that The Market NEVER JUST KEEPS GOING STRAIGHT UP. Like The Big Boys do, took profits and/or got heavy into cash, quite a few months before the-shit-hit-the-fan.
Plus,...were some really good buys afterwards.

The only thing that would possibly bother me about the: "SMALL & VOLUNTARY" self-directed savings for retirement ISSSSSSSSS, would any and all monies amassed from such be part of my Estate after death (as government pensions),...or would same go down some governmental sink-hole after death, just like all other Social Security Monies left in ones account normally do? Or, will any such monies be criminally gifted to foreigners (ala Jimmy Carter)?

Neil

[Packo]

Neil,

Having been with the government for over 22 years I think I know our retirement system a bit better than you...although you may care to argue that point. I repeat, "Civil Service Retirement System" went bye bye in 1985. The retirement system now is called FERS and is a 401K system that you can opt to put money in or not. They match up to 10% of what you put in. That's it....it's a 401 K plan that they just did not make up for one employee, me. There is no "great coverage covering the whole family at YOUR expense either. I can keep my Blue Cross/Blue shield, which right now I pay up the kazoo for to have me and Deb on it, or not. When I retire the price to keep it will at least double. We are not in the same system as the Senate and House so again, don't lump us in with their system.

Pack

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Sorry to hear that in your State, Municipal or State Workers don't fair as well as do New Jersey's.
Hell, in my town even Sanitation, Parks and Streets Workers don't pretty-much have to pay for zilch. Plus get paid better than most, too-boot.

In fact, and since also having great and publicly paid for retirement packages and medical coverages, mostly only Public Sector types can actually afford staying in New Jersey after retirement. Some such retirees are called: "Triple Dippers". Such being those having worked the sytem quite well, and now receiving all three Municipal, State and Federal Pensions

Most others not RICH or POOR (those naturally not effected financially),...must retire in other states more affordable doing so.
Being The Highest Taxed State in America, it should surprise no one that New Jersey isn't very retiree-friendly...for Plain or Average Folks. For The RICH or POOR and Public Sector Retirees,...it's a great place for retirement.

Regardless Pack, be satisfied with The 50% I/WE contribute to your F.I.C.A. Account, and The 10% I/WE contribute to your 401K.
After all, I/WE are the only piggybanks that any governments have,...whether Local, State or Federal.
Oh, and by the way, most employers in The Private Sector only kick-in 3 percent to 401K's. Didn't realize that: I/WE and/or: "We The (Schnooks)" were such a generous lot? Thanks for info.

Hey,...you never know? Maybe next year when your officials increase or better their lot (as usual),..."They" might also be just as generous to You Workers with similarly nice pensions,...coming solely from MY/OUR MONIES called: "Taxes"? Comes from nowhere else. That's a fact.

Neil

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Neil,

Considering the fact that Paco has given his life to serving our active duty, veterans and their families after being shot to hell in Vietnam it's my opinionthat 50% is hardly enough.

Arrow>>>>>>>

[Packo]

Thanks Sis!

Neil, I work for the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE, DEPARTMENT OF THE NAVY....not a state or local government. The I/We you keep talking about is also ME! I pay taxes, both fed, state, and local. So thank you for all the money YOU give me and I thank ME for all the money I give me. You live in one of the most corrupt states in the union. What your people get doesn't have a damn thing to do with me or any other Federal worker. I/Me/Deb/you/ and a whole lot of other people also send me a check each month for getting half my ass shot off...I would like to thank Me and all of y'all for the money.

A dedicated public servant.

Pack

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Wasn't alluding to The Military, Intelligence Agencies, Law Enforcement, Fire and Emergency Services or any other Services, where people sign on the dotted to give their all to Protect & Serve The American People (both at home and abroad).
I personally believe all just mentioned should be paid more.

Was basically referring to the MANY Public Sector Workers of the MANY Public Sector Beaurocracies (Local, State & Federal), whom never did nor ever will put their butts on-the-line for Fellow Americans. I begrudge any such having the very best retirement packages known mankind,...paid for TOTALLY BY The American Taxpayer and/or those in The Private Sector whom in general would kill to have such good retirements for themselves, also.

Regardless Paco, and anyway it's sliced for your and all others alluded to, 100% Pays, the additional 50% contributed to S.S. and 10% contributed to 401K's comes from The People (your employer of record) and/or Public Funds.
Whereas my and all others in The Private Sector and/or vast majority, 100% Pays, 50% of S.S. and 3% 401K's(typical in The Private Sector) DO NOT COME FROM PUBLIC FUNDS,...and never do.

Still Paco, and Social Security and 401K's aside, I find it awfully hard believing that with your government record thus far, you won't end up with a very nice pension and great medical at retirement? Probably even PX and Commisary Priviledges?
If not so? As said before: "Believe you're getting screwed".

Neil