Reasonable S.S. Questions

[Packo]

I give up.

Federeal retiree's get no px or commisary privledges unless you are retired military or 100% SC Vet. AS for public funds.....your wrong. Your employer pays into your SS and that is the SAME as a "Public fund". It's a TAX on your employer because you work for him so don't give me that bull shit. You don't pay 100%of your SS when you work. The only reason I may have a good pension is because I put 15% of my gross income into it, not because the Feds matched up to 10 and because one other thing you seem to forget.....I friggin' worked for it. We all make choices in our lives. I chose to work for the Feds and not private practice where I could be making $95.00 an HOUR. I chose to work with Vets and Active Duty and their family. Not sure what choices you made in life but if your unhappy with them....it's your fault not mine.

Pack

[reconeil]

Don't: "Give up",...be HAPPY.
I'm Happy
Besides, I'm not speaking personally. I'm talking Private and Public Sectors.

There's just a little misunderstanding here.

Public Sector F.I.C.A. contributions are TOTALLY PAID FOR from Public Funds and/or The American Taxpayer. 50% of which are passed along into The Account by The Public Sector Worker, and the other 50% are automatically contributed into the same account, from The General Fund and/or where Tax Revenues are collected, held and disbursed to Government Workers from.

Whereas with Private Sector Workers there are ZERO Public Funds or Tax Funds involved whatsoever.
50% is paid-into F.I.C.A. by The Private Sector Worker, and 50%
is contributed by The Private Sector Employer, which undoubtedly becomes just another business expense for passing along to The Consumer.

That's about it. Sorry if such offends anyone. But, it's quite true.

Neil

[Gimpy]

it awful how you have to spend all your time 'makin sense' to someone who won't accept the 'facts' Paco??

Must be the water or air or sumthin up yonder in Jersey I reckon?

[Packo]

Gimpy!

Bless your Southern Heart. Like pissin' in the wind.

By the way... got a new kitty I saved. He got tossed out of a car like my last. You'll love his name....J.E.B Stuart Lane. (The Lane is my last name...and check out your Confederate Generals from "Va-ginya". My great great Grand Pappy) He's grey...he's Suthern.....he's ornery!

J.E.B Pack

[reconeil]

Try to favoringly convince people otherwise, or deny realities all you like.

But,: "Public Funds" and/or all Tax Revenues collected by governments PAY EVERYTHING for governments and all workers in The Public Sector (from sweeper to The President of The United States).

Whereas, TAXES collected DO NOT PAY any workers in The Private Sector and/or vast majority. TAXES only pay for those on Welfare in The Private Sector and all those in The Public Sector (Local, County, State and Federal),...ADMIT IT or not.

The truth of the matter which you both ridiculing deny, is that every dime paid to Public Sector Workers COMES FROM TAXES.
Same TAXES collected pay for all Public Sector Salaries, and therefore all YOUR contributions (50%) and employers' (50%) towards retirement,...comes from TAXES (nowhere else).

Hell, even YOUR (5%) contribution and employer contribution (10%) towards YOUR 401K,...comes from TAXES, which brings me to question something. Since 401K's in The Private Sector permit up to 15% of ones salary being contributed, and employers usually match up to 3% of such,...are people in The Public Sector permitted more than the max of 15% in their 401K's?

I ask that, since previously stated that 10% was matched to Your 401K by your employer and/or The Tax Collector and Tax Distributor.
10% seems a bit high a matching contribution by an employer, since meaning that you must in turn contributing 10% from Your Tax Money Salary? After all, 10% plus 10% comes to a 20% of salary contribution towards a 401K,...here in New Jersey anyway.

Neil

[Gimpy]

there Packman, what'd I tell ya!

You're right-like 'pissin in the wind'!

Glad to hear you've found a new "Suthern Kitty' since the recent heartbreaking loss of your old friend. I know how hard it is to lose a long time member of the family like that. Hardest thing I ever had to do was have our 17 year old dog (buff colored Cocker Spaniel we named Angel) put to sleep while I held her in my arms about 7 years ago.

Finally found her 'kindred spirit' about 5 years ago in a little black Cocker we named Ladybug and she has been nearly a constant companion about every we can take her! Jackie calls her 'Paw Paws' shadow' cause she follows me everywhere!

Don't fergit to teach that J.E.B. kitty how ta let out a 'Rebel Yell' every now an agin!

[reconeil]

REAL CUTE,...Gimpy.

Still, fortunately most can see through such diversionary down-home type nonsense so typically used by: "Leftists/Socialists/Democrats posing as Liberals",...so that The People NEVER TRULY KNOW what such: "Recapture The White House AT ANY COST" or ACLU types are ACTUALLY trying to sneak by or past The Public.

Regardless Gimpy, still don't understand what your standardly side-stepping ploys have to do with important matters like: "Reasonable SS Questions"?
But then, and in fairness, most all other of your responses to queries not favorable Demoncrat Underminers, never make much sense to those NOT similarly close-minded and/or fanatically or politically led-by-the-nose, either.

Similarly Disrespectfully Yours,
Neil

[Packo]

Neil,

I am not a leftist or any of the other things your spouting here and believe that on this question you ain't getting it. When you were in the Army, did you take a paycheck? If you did, you sucked the money from my family and all the other God fearing taxpayers of America! How dare you take a cent that didn't come from the private sector????? You should have told those bastard paymasters that you were not going to take one cent of taxpayer money! In the mean time....do everything you can to get SS to never send you a cent. If they do, send it back. Then, you'll be a man of conviction that wouldn't dare take a cent of taxpayer money and would leave more for me.....a Combat Disabled vet who has no qualms about taking something I friggin' earned. Sorry man, but you ain't said a thing to make me think different on this one. I guess all the WWII Vets that collect SS and VA disablility are nothing more than pikers? Come on.

Pack

[reconeil]

Agree with most everything of your response,...except apparently which political bent can be believed (or not).

Still, don't see what all that has to do with what was initially griping-about the great misuses and finnaglings of The Social Security System by Leftist/Socialist/Democrat politicians posing as Liberals,...whom ARE UNARGUABLY MUCH MORE LIBERAL TO THEMSELVES ALONE than anyone else.

Johnson diverted S.S. into The General Fund, as if just another Tax Revenue.
Carter generously decreed that foreigners: "NEVER HAVING PAID ONE-THIN-DIME into F.I.C.A." receive vast sums of S.S.
Gore cast the deciding vote that made: "The never to be taxed S.S." (as per FDR),...TAXABLE from that point on.

So then and maybe, if politicians and officials TOO had to rely on Social Security, instead of their own super-duper and/or quite preferentially superior retirement plan, things might be different...and it wouldn't even be necessary debatting the lordly rip-offs and/or misuses of Social Security Monies?

Basically I believe you and I pretty-much think alike, and even about the previous side issues brought-up, I stated that: "The Military, Intelligence..............", "Should be paid more". Still believe such, and also that past and present misuses of The Social Security System by politicians,...are truly quite criminal. Others might say: "Quite lordly and dictatorial" also?

Neil

P.S. Paco, Packo or Pack,...which do you prefer?

[Gimpy]

my friend Packo said!