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Old 03-10-2004, 08:59 AM
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GEORGE W BUSH ENDED HIS CAREER AS A JET PILOT SUSPENDED FROM FLYING!!!!! Fails to Keep his Service commitment!!


Dear Fellow Americans
I have been analyzing the military records of George W Bush and comparing them to his biographies and I have found many inconsistencies, both in the papers themselves and contradictory to what he says. This is the era that he likes to lightly wave off as ?Youthful indiscretions? at least the first part of the first decade of it anyway.
This came to me when I was reading Time magazine(2/16/04 page 39) and saw this line: ?And because he was not flying, he elected not to get his annual physical which FORCED THE GUARD TO BAR HIM FROM FLYING. (emphasis mine)
I couldn?t believe it?George W Bush was BARRED FROM FLYING?! But underneath all the smoke and mirrors, there it is.
I served my country for 3 years as a paratrooper, including a year in Vietnam. To go off jump status was a big disgrace. Among all the pilots I know, being suspended from flying is a big disgrace. How do you get an honorable discharge as a pilot when you?re suspended your entire last year? What do you do when you?re not flying? And to see him strutting around in a flight jacket when he left the military suspended from flying!
So I checked it out on Google: bush military records. http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/document.htm
It?s TRUE!! Here?s the orders for his suspension, dated 9/29/72. He is suspended frtom flying for failure to take a flight physical.
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif
He NEVER came back on flight status, made no attempt to. He was discharged in the status SUSPENDED FROM FLYING!! That?s the way he wanted to leave it.
GEORGE W BUSH ENDED HIS CAREER AS A MILITARY PILOT SUSPENDED FROM FLYING!! This is right out of his own records!!!!
George W Bush was suspended from flying for refusing to take a flight physical! It says Failure To but it?s the same thing. He could have done it very well, there was no reason for him not to and every good reason to do so. (hint: they started for testing for drugs then). He was jumped over 500 people to become a pilot, the taxpayers paid a lot of money for his training and he stopped flying 2 years short of his expected discharge date?according to him to work on Blount?s Senate campaign in Alabama. Well, how patriotic is THAT? To blow off flying jets to go play politics? It completely ripped off the taxpayers for half the useful life as a pilot!!
I compared his military records against bios of him including Shrub and A Charge To Keep and some others.
GWB was jumped over 500 guys to get a place in the TANG. ??Ben Barnes?who was Speaker of the House in Texas?testified that he had put in a good word for Bush at the request of a family friend..?(ibid) He and his Dad say they didn?t ask for it but that?s not the point! The point is that he took it and he MUST have known about the 500 other poorer and less influential guys. (Trick question: How many black pilots were there in the TANG? What did GWB say about this?)
So he went to flight school and then flew for 2 years approximately. In the spring of 1972,May 24 he requested transfer to Alabama: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc7.gif
note the name dropping here: Red Blount for Senate, George Bush for Senate. He probably thought these were real qualifications
They gave him a good reason why not?he had 2 more years to do on his flying status:
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc5.gif
The 2d time that reason didn?t work so he probably had political help?didn?t even do a form, just a personal note:
http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc2.gif
And they approved it: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc11.gif The Texas unit that releases him says? Lt Bush will not be able to satisfy his flight requirements with this unit.?
Why not? They had F102s, the only thing he could fly.
He says he showed up at the Alabama ANG and was shocked: Ooooomigod!! No F102s!!
George Bush knew when he applied that the Alabama NGs didn?t fly F102s, he?s a smart man with all the resources and advantages in the world. A simple phone call would have told him and he must have been there and known people from that unit..
Applying to Alabama then was a violation of the oath he signed saying he would fly ? As long as possible.? http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc24.gif And not only that but he never tried to fly again, even when he returned to Houston. So was getting suspended from flying. It also violates his service contract when he says he understands it will be for 6 years: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc26.gif
So he says he went to Alabama but here?s some BAD NEWS for him: his own records say different: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc14.gif Look at the line that says 30NOV69?1OCT73. They have GWB at Ellington AFB THE WHOLE TIME!!! Alabama should definitely be there?if it was real.
Consider the other side of that: Pretend its real, he DID show up there. How did he get back to Texas?? It took him two tries to get a transfer to Alabama?there HAS to be something ordering him back to Texas!! He HAD to have contact with his superiors about it?don?t forget we?re talking about George W Bush here so people would remember him. But there is nothing?according to the records, he more or less just showed up in Texas but there?s no record of him signing in or any other for months. Remember this statement:? Lt Bush will not be able to satisfy his flight requirements with this unit.? How did that get changed?
And what was the whole Alabama thing about, anyway? He could have kept flying out of Houston while working in Alabama?anybody who came to that unit from Amarillo or El Paso had a lot farther to travel than from any place in Alabama.. He was a pilot and his Dad?another pilot?had an airplane. This was probably being used all the time in the Blount campaign.
Don?t forget he?d been suspended from flying?a pilot hanging out in a flying outfit that couldn?t fly would be noticed and spoken on, his nose tweaked and his undies wedgied .(I know some pilots).
Why does a man who?s been jumped over 500 guys to be a pilot, who the taxpayers have spent a lot of money on decide not to fly anymore, refuses to take a flight physical? One theory that seems to fit the facts is that he couldn?t because it would reveal Something Awful (think:toot) His flight suspension could be spun around but a visit with The White Lady on record would throw him out of The Presidential Race for good. That would explain why he never went back on flight status. I said this was the times he waves off as youthful indiscretion, didn?t I?
Which he never did. He came back from Alabama in early 73?he says?but the unit has no record of this, no blip at all on the radar screen. It?s a small military unit, reality is not like that. Certainly he didn?t fly. Then What DID he do?? He says he doesn?t remember.
He applied for an 8 month Early Out to go to Harvard Grad School: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc27.gif Not much of a military man wants to blow off flying jets to go to Harvard Grad school, this is more the pointyheaded intellectual place. Maybe he felt safer there, he probably felt real uncomfortable being around a flying unit and being SUSPENDED FROM FLYING.. At any rate, it violates the As Long As Possible Thing again if he?s applying for an early discharge.
So basically George W Bush ended his flight career, his last year, as a pilot suspended from flying and doing work so unimportant even he doesn?t remember it. What a failure, a complete waste of the taxpayers money.

I?m asking anybody else who wants to see him out to help me spread the word. There?s more to be gotten so use this letter as a springboard to more investigations.
PLEASE Help me get the word out here. George Bush should not be strutting around in a flight jacket if he left the service SUSPENDED FROM FLYING
Please help me spread the word on this. Thank you
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Old 03-11-2004, 06:02 AM
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There's a LOT of questions begging to be answered. Like

Why did he quit flying to work on Blounts Senate campaign? was that patriotic? How was getting suspended from flying his last year in the service good for America? For Texas? For the Taxpayer? How was it honorable for him to be discharged in the status: SUSPENDED FROM FLYING? How does a pilot who's been suspended from flying get an honorable discharge?
Why did he quit flying at ALL? he had a commitment to keep flying until May '74--he quit flying in spring 1972, was suspended from flying 9/29/72 with over a year and a half left to do in the service, counting the 8 months he dropped. He screwed the taxpayers out of half his useful life as a pilot.
If he was in Alabama, what did he DO there? He went there knowing he wouldn't be flying. In this paper here: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc11.gif
the Texas unit says: ? Lt Bush will not be able to satisfy his flight requirements with this unit.? What does this mean? theyre the ones with the f102s, not Alabama. He won't be able to satisfy the requirements in Alabama either--and he didn't!
So how does he get back to Texas, anyway? There are no records of him in ALabama, EVERYBODY there denies ever having seen him and its a fairly small unit. A Lt pilot under suspension would be noticed and commented on, especially if his name is George W Bush from Texas. Why doesn't Alabama have a record of his suspension? It occurred while he was there! Why is a Texas unit suspending an Alabama pilot? This paper shows him being in Texas the whole time: http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc14.gif
But lets pretend he WAS there-how did he get back? there's no record of any request or order to get back. He would have HAD to have contact with his superiors to do this, no way around it!! Yet they say they never saw him.
Perhaps he was hiding under the latrine all the time.
Who paid him during these times? Alabama or Texas? Was he paid flight pay after he was suspended? That would be outright fraud.
Did he do any useful work when he wasn't flying. A suspended pilot would be in a real shame position, not pulling his weight. Did he supervise the painting of rocks white and other important military jobs? There's no record in Texas and again nobody remembers him. Don't forget this statement: ? Lt Bush will not be able to satisfy his flight requirements with this unit.? How did that get different?
Why was he given the oopportunity to make up his skipped days, evidently 36 of them? Was that standard practice in the guard?
You could see why he got an 8 month early out, they wanted him off the payroll, just sitting around with the white rocks

And finally (for now)
Is a pilot who was SUSPENDED FROM FLYING his last year in the service authorised to be strutting around in a flight jacket? What else would you call such a man but Wannabe?

I'm asking every right thinking American to help me in spreading the word!!E mail this letter to your state democratic party--to all 50 state parties. Email it to every elected official. Post it everywhere!! This is important information America needs to know about our president

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Old 03-11-2004, 08:21 AM
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James;

Thanks for giving a list of all the paper work on GWB military record.

However, I see there is one paper item missing, and that is the "discharge or the DD-214" for him.

The reason that paper (discharge) never was released, may be due the "special code" that is hidden on it.
It is known as the "SPD" (seperation program designator) as it gives the reason for release from the National Guard, even if he got a honorable discharge.

Here are some (SPD'S) reasons;

#258 - Unfitness, Ineptitude

#260 - Unsuitability, Ineptitude

#282- Misconduct/prolonged unauthorized absence for more
than 1 year - desertion.

#377- Non-fulfillment of enlistment commitment.

#429- Discharged because of not meeting medical fitness
standards for Flight duty.

#440- Seperation for consealment of serious arrest record.

#669- Dropped from rolls - AWOL- desertion

These are some that could have been used to send GWB packing.

Now there is a question mark here. Since he is the President,
he may have had someone to make a trip to St. Louis to the Military Records Office and just wipe that code from his DD-214.
Although, it just may still be there on his discharge paper.
Some years past, there has been legislation to have these codes removed from military men records who may have problems with employment, credit, etc.

Just an insight on more to come I'm sure before the election.
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Awww, I thought I'd been the first to connect the dots on this but other people have done some of it.
SUSPENDED FROM FLYING!!! That would be the worst miltary career of any of our presidents.
I'm trying to find out if he was paid any flight pay after being suspended. If so I'm going to see if I can get him prosecuted for fraud
Ive been emaiiling copes of the original letter here aqnd talking points to every state democratic party and every media outlet I can. I could use some help.
Sit here and help me click Bush out of office.
Its too importamt a job for a wannabe

James Worth

Here's some more on Bush

#1 Bush never showed up in Alabama Air National Guard when directly ordered to do so, after requesting a transfer to work in Alabama.

?I was there on a temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends at one period of time? Bush said during a campaign stop in Tuscaloosa, AL, referring to his claim that he served in the Alabama National Guard. [Dallas Morning News, 6/26/00]

"He specifically recalls pulling duty in Alabama," spokesman Dan Bartlett said of Bush. "He did his drills." Bartlett said the Republican governor showed up "several" times while in Alabama, where he transferred from his Houston Guard unit in 1972 to work for the unsuccessful Senate campaign of Republican Winton Blount, a friend of Bush's father. [Washington Post 6/25/00]

The Truth

Bush left Houston May 15, 1972 and went to work on a political campaign in Alabama. His first request for a transfer on May 24 was denied because the unit was inactive. His second request on September 5 to a different unit was granted. He was issued a direct order to report on specific days to the base, which he completely ignored. The order was issued on September 15 to report to then-Lieutenant Colonel William Turnipseed at Dannelly Air Force base in Montgomery, AL, on the dates of ?7-8 October 0730-1600, and 4-5 November 0730-1600? His orders, dated Sept. 15, 1972, said: "Lieutenant Bush should report to Lt. Col. William Turnipseed, DCO, to perform equivalent training." [Boston Globe 5/23/00] http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc11.gif

? His Commanding Officer, William Turnipseed, says he did not show up.

"To my knowledge, he never showed up," Turnipseed said last month. [Boston Globe 5/23/00] In interviews last week, Turnipseed and his administrative officer at the time, Kenneth K. Lott, said they had no memory of Bush ever reporting. ''Had he reported in, I would have had some recall, and I do not,'' Turnipseed said. ''I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered.'' Turnipseed also reports that the then-squadron operations officer of the Alabama Guard also has no recollection of having seen Bush.(The New Republic 10/16/2000)

?Furthermore, a spokesman for the Alabama National Guard estimates there were 600 to 700 members in the unit Bush was supposed to have served with in 1972. But none of these men has ever come forward to say he remembers Bush, and Bush has not named a single one of them.?(The New Republic 10/16/2000)

? There is no official National Guard record for George W. Bush?s service in Alabama.

?His official discharge records do not include any service after May 15 of 1972. Indeed, Bush's discharge papers list his service and duty station for each of his first four years in the Air Guard. But there is no record of training listed after May 1972, and no mention of any service in Alabama. On that discharge form, Lloyd (Albert Lloyd Jr., a retired colonel who was the Texas Air Guard's personnel director from 1969 to 1995 and was hired by the Bush campaign to make sense of the governor's military records) said, ''there should have been an entry for the period between May 1972 and May 1973.'' Said Lloyd, ''It appeared he had a bad year. He might have lost interest, since he knew he was getting out.'' [Boston Globe 5/23/00]

? No one in the Alabama National Guard ever saw him.

?A spokesman for the Alabama National Guard estimates there were 600 to 700 members in the unit Bush was supposed to have served with in 1972. But none of these men has ever come forward to say he remembers Bush, and Bush has not named a single one of them.? (The New Republic 10/16/2000)

Even though members of the Alabama Air National Guard have offered $1000 to anyone who can remember serving with Bush, no one has come forward to corroborate his service, with the exception of an old girlfriend who says she remembers him saying he was going, but does not have any other evidence, essentially making it her word against Bush?s commanding officers? and a lack of official documents as noted above.

? Even the Bush campaign claims that he only showed up on a single day in November and made up missed weekends, not contesting the fact that he defied direct orders to appear on the dates stated above.

?National Guard records provided by the Guard and by the Bush campaign indicate he did serve on Nov. 29, 1972, after the election. These records also show a gap in service from that time to the previous May. Mr. Bush says he made up for the lost time in subsequent months, and guard records show he received credit for having performed all the required service.? [NYT 7/22/00]

The evidence to support Bush?s service on November 29, 1972 is highly suspect for the following reasons:

- The document offered to dispute the claim by his commanding officers in Alabama is a single torn document that does not have Bush?s name on it, is undated and unsigned. The document was ?discovered? in 1998 by the man Bush hired to investigate his record, Al Loyd, and added to the official record. This late addition to the official record also raises additional chain of command issues.

- There are two different versions of the document. The one ?discovered? by Mr. Loyd and given to George Magazine has handwritten annotations. The other version came from Mr. Bush?s official record through a FOIA request by Martin Heldt. http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/doc99.gif The FOIA version did not have any annotations.

- The document comes from the Texas National Guard Archives according to the numbering in the right hand corner of the document, even though duty reports were localized at the time, meaning his service in Alabama would not have been recorded by the Texas Air National Guard.

#2 Bush didn?t return to Ellington Air Force Base after his temporary transfer as required.

A Bush spokesman, Dan Bartlett, said after talking with the governor that Bush recalls performing some duty in Alabama and ''recalls coming back to Houston and doing [Guard] duty, though he does not recall if it was on a consistent basis.''

Noting that Bush, by that point, was no longer flying, Bartlett added, ''It's possible his presence and role became secondary.'' [Boston Globe 5/23/00]

The Truth

? According to his annual evaluation by his commanding officers, he may have been in Houston but he was not at the base.

?Cleared this base 15 May 1972? According to Lieutenant Colonel William Harris Jr. and Lieutenant Colonel Jerry Killian in Bush?s annual evaluation , Ellis Air Force Base, Houston. The report makes clear that Bush had ?not been observed ? at his Texas unit ?during the period of this report? ? May 1972-April 1973.? [Boston Globe 5/23/00]

? Even his commanding officer, whom he called a ?friend? did not know where he was.

?Asked about that declaration, campaign spokesman Bartlett said Bush told him that since he was no longer flying, he was doing ''odds and ends'' under different supervisors whose names he could not recall. But retired colonel Martin, the unit's former administrative officer, said he too thought Bush had been in Alabama for that entire year. Harris and Killian, he said, would have known if Bush returned to duty at Ellington. And Bush, in his autobiography, identifies the late colonel Killian as a friend, making it even more likely that Killian knew where Bush was.? [Boston Globe 5/23/00]

#3 He quit flying in Texas because his plane was replaced.

In his autobiography, Mr. Bush explains that when he applied to Harvard Business School in 1972, ?I was almost finished with my commitment in the Air National Guard, and was no longer flying because the F102 jet I has trained in was being replaced by a different fighter.?

The Truth
? ?His unit continued to fly the F-102 until 1974 [Boston Globe 5/23/00] ?If he had come back to Houston, I would have kept him flying the 102 until he got out? said retired Major Bobby W. Hodges, ?But I don?t remember him coming back at all??.

? ?Lieutenant Bush, to be sure, had gone off flying status when he went to Alabama. But had he returned to his unit in November 1972, there would have been no barrier to him flying again, except passing a flight physical. Although the F-102 was being phased out, his unit's records show that Guard pilots logged thousands of hours in the F-102 in 1973.?[Boston Globe 5/23/00]

? His commitment was through May of 1974. (An exaggeration?)

#4 He wasn?t flying in Alabama because they had different planes.

On June 26th this report appeared in the Dallas Morning News. ?Campaigning Friday in Tuscaloosa, Ala., Bush was asked about his 1972 service in that state. "I was there on a temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends at one period of time," he said. "I made up some missed weekends." "I can't remember what I did, but I wasn't flying because they didn't have the same airplanes. I fulfilled my obligations."

The Truth
? He was no longer flying because he had been suspended in August of 1972 for failure to ?accomplish? a required medical exam. [Boston Globe, 5/23/00] (Suspension document at http://www.cis.net/~coldfeet/grounded.gif)

? Bush was suspended from flying on August 1, 1972, prior to his request for the transfer to the187th at Montgomery Alabama, September 5, 1972. Bush did not receive permission until September 15, which was close to six weeks after his suspension from flying.

? Another question is raised by the fact that he cannot remember what he did for the Air National Guard in Alabama, despite the fact that 28 years later he still remembers the specifics of his work there on the campaign of William Blount as cited in a July 22, 2000 New York Times article. ?In an interview 28 years later, Mr. Bush remembered the numbers. "We all teamed together and helped Red get about 36 percent of the vote," he said with a short laugh, "in spite of the fact that Nixon had gotten 72 percent of the vote. The ticket-splitting was phenomenal."?

#5 Three different stories on why he was suspended.

Story #1) "Bush's campaign aides have said he did not take the physical because he was in Alabama and his personal physician was in Houston." [Boston Globe 5/23/00].

The Truth
? In fact as the Boston Globe goes on to state "flight physicals can be administered only by certified Air Force flight surgeons, and some were assigned at the time to Maxwell Air Force Base in Montgomery, where Bush was living."

Story #2) Then in June, campaign officials told the London Times Bush did not technically need to take his flight physical. "As he was not flying, there was no reason for him to take the flight physical exam," according to campaign spokesman Don Bartlett.

? Any suggestion that he had simply decided to ?give up flying? prior to his suspension, with two years remaining on his commitment and nearly one million dollars (in real terms) invested in his training is not plausible. It is not up to an Air National Guard pilot to decide whether or not he ?intends? to fly.

? ?If he had come back to Houston, I would have kept him flying the 102 until he got out? said retired Major Bobby W. Hodges [Boston Glove 5/23/00]

Story #3) In the same article, Bush campaign spokesman Dan Bartlett told the newspaper that Bush was aware back then that he would be suspended for missing his medical exam, but had no choice because he had applied for a transfer from Houston to Alabama and his paperwork hadn't caught up with him. "It was just a question of following the bureaucratic procedure of the time," Bartlett said. "He knew the suspension would have to take place."

? The exam was required to be completed in the three months preceding his birthday, July 6, 1972. A three month window seems adequate to avoid being suspended from flying.

So which is it: his family physician, he didn?t have to take the exam, or a bureaucratic snafu?

#6 Bush denied strings were pulled to get him in the Texas Air National Guard.

?I can just tell you, from my perspective, I never asked for, I don't believe I received special treatment," Bush told reporters.? [DMN 9/08/99]

The Truth

? ?Former Lt. Gov. Ben Barnes confirmed Monday that he recommended Gov. George W. Bush for a slot in the Texas Air National Guard during the height of the Vietnam War, at the request of a Bush family friend. Mr. Barnes' account came in a written statement that was released after he testified in a deposition stemming from a federal lawsuit.? [DMN 9/28/99]

? ?The statement by Mr. Barnes also confirmed that he met a year ago with a top Bush adviser to discuss the Guard matter. As reported in The News, Mr. Bush sent a note thanking Mr. Barnes for his help in rebutting rumors that Mr. Bush's father helped his son find a Guard slot, the statement confirmed.? [DMN 9/08/99]

? "Mr. Barnes was contacted by [Houston businessman] Sid Adger and asked to recommend George W. Bush for a pilot position with the Air National Guard," Mr. Barnes' statement said. "Barnes called Gen. [James] Rose and did so." [DMN 9/28/00]

"No Bush ever asked Sid Adger to help," the governor said.[DMN 9/28/00]

? ?A spokeswoman for former President George Bush confirmed the elder Bush's friendship with Mr. Adger but said he was "almost positive" he never talked to Mr. Adger - or anyone else - about getting his son into the Guard. "He said he is fairly certain - I mean he doesn't remember everything that happened in the 1960s - but he said he and Sid Adger never, ever talked about George W. and the Texas Air National Guard," said Jean Becker, a spokeswoman for the former president. "President Bush knew Sid Adger well," Ms. Becker said. "He loved him."? [DMN 9/08/99]

? ?When Bush was admitted into the Guard in 1968, 100,000 other men were on waiting lists around the country, hoping to win admission to similar units. The Guard was popular because those units were rarely sent to Vietnam.? [LAT 7/4/99]

#7 Bush said the Texas Air National Guard was short on pilots.

"They were looking for pilots, and I was honored to serve.", Governor Bush told the Dallas Morning News. [DMN9/08/99]

The Truth

? ?But Tom Hail, a historian for the Texas Air National Guard, said that records do not show a pilot shortage in the Guard squadron at the time. Hail, who reviewed the unit's personnel records for a special Guard museum display on Gov. Bush's service, said Bush's unit had 27 pilots at the time he began applying. While that number was two short of its authorized strength, the unit had two other pilots who were in training and another awaiting a transfer. There was no apparent need to fast-track applicants, he said.? [LAT 7/4/99]



? ?The Texas Air Guard had about 900 slots for pilots, air and ground crew members, supervisors, technicians and support staff. Sgt. Donald Dean Barnhart, who still serves in the Guard, said that he kept a waiting list of about 150 applicants' names. He said it took up to a year and a half for one name to move to the top of the list. "Quite a few gentlemen were wanting to get in," he recalled. For Bush, there was no wait. He met with commander Staudt in his Houston office and made his application--all before his graduation in June.? [LAT, 7/4/99]



?Beckwith, Bush's spokesman, painted a different picture. He said that the Guard needed pilots at the time and Bush was available. "A lot of people weren't qualified" or willing to fly, he said, so special commissions were offered to those willing to undergo the extra training required.?

[LAT 7/4/99]



? ?But Shoemake, who also served as a chief of personnel in the Texas Guard from 1972 to 1980, remembers no pilot shortage. "We had so many people coming in who were super-qualified," he said.? [LAT 7/4/99]



? ?Records from his [Bush?s] military file show that in January 1968, after inquiring about Guard admission, Mr. Bush went to an Air Force recruiting office near Yale, where he took and passed the test required by the Air Force for pilot trainees. His score on the pilot aptitude section, one of five on the test, was in the 25th percentile, the lowest allowed for would-be fliers.? [7/4/99]

#8 There was no special deal when he received a direct appointment to second lieutenant right after basic training, with no qualifications.
?Officials in Bush's presidential campaign denied last week that he was treated differently from other recruits. "Our information is there was absolutely no special deal," said spokesman David Beckwith.? [LAT 7/4/99]

?He [Commander Staudt] recommended Bush for a direct appointment--a special process that would allow the young recruit to become a second lieutenant right out of basic training without having to go through the rigors of officer candidate school. The process also cleared the way for a slot in pilot training school.? [LAT, 7/4/99]

The Truth
? ?But Charles C. Shoemake, an Air Force veteran who later joined the Texas Air National Guard, eventually retiring as a full colonel, said that direct appointments were rare and hard to get, and required extensive credentials. "I went from master sergeant to first lieutenant based on my three years in college and 15 years as a noncommissioned officer. Then I got considered for a direct appointment." Even then, he said, "I didn't know whether I was going to get into pilot training."? [LAT 7/4/99]

? ?As for a direct commission for someone of Bush's limited qualifications, Hail said, "I've never heard of that. Generally they did that for doctors only, mostly because we needed extra flight surgeons."? [LAT 7/4/99]

#9 As evidence he wasn't dodging combat, Mr. Bush has pointed to his efforts to try to volunteer for a program that rotated Guard pilots to Vietnam, although he wasn't called. [DMN 7/4/99]

The Truth
? ?Mr. Bush's application for the Guard included a box to be checked specifying whether he did or did not volunteer for overseas duty. His includes a check mark in the box not wanting to volunteer for such an assignment.? [DMN 7/4/99]

#10 In Bush?s 1999 autobiography, A Charge to Keep, Mr. Bush says that after completing flight training in June 1970, ?I continued flying with my unit for the next several years?.

The Truth
? ?But 22 months after finishing his training, and with two years left on his six-year commitment, Bush gave up flying - for good, it would turn out?. [Boston Globe, 5/23/00]

Several Years or 22 months ? an exaggeration? Perhaps, the bigger question is why did he quit flying?

* The New York Times reports that Bush has had problems articulating words recently, using "terriers" instead of "tariffs and trade barriers," "obsfucate" in place of "obfuscate," and "post-cold world" rather than "post-Cold War world." [Bruni, New York Times, 1/8/00]
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Thanks for giving a list of all the paper work on GWB military record.

Now there is a question mark here. Since he is the President,
he may have had someone to make a trip to St. Louis to the Military Records Office and just wipe that code from his DD-214.
Although, it just may still be there on his discharge paper.
Some years past, there has been legislation to have these codes removed from military men records who may have problems with employment, credit, etc.

Just an insight on more to come I'm sure before the election.
Skeeter--thanks for the insight
re Records cleansing: http://www.talion.com/georgebush.html#11

Air National Guard Commanding Officer Alleges Bush Military Records Cleansing
SUBJ: Military Records of George W. Bush ? Clarification Bill L. Burkett LTC (ret)

Within the morning press reports in the London Sunday Times and other publications, I am stated to have alleged that the staff of George W. Bush doctored [the key term] the military files of George W. Bush in whatever attempt to cover his military record.

Let me answer questions about my responses within a chronological pattern:

Was this politically motivated and coordinated with the Gore Campaign?

No. Not whatsoever. In no way did any member of the Gore Campaign or any election official, Republican or Democrat know my comments. My observations were responses to questions of how the file was developed; disseminated under the Freedom of information Act (FOIA) and what was missing within the files which would resolve the question of satisfactory participation. These were my personal responses to the asked questions that were not sanctioned by anyone, nor shared with anyone. They were made on the basis of my 28 year career, my working experience within the senior staff at the Texas National Guard headquarters and my knowledge of the operational procedures of the US military including the subject of personnel files of retired or discharged soldiers and airmen.

Why, do you believe, you were contacted?

Question 3 will background how this occurred which should be self-explanatory. The context of the DUI story indicated the mishandling or failure to fully disclose a past criminal record of Governor Bush. I believe that the military record and the irregularities that point to a possible extended period of nonperformance and early release may have also indicated a pattern of lack of full disclosure by the Governor and his campaign. This issue of military records had been highly visible on at least two previous occasions within the campaign, however, Senator Kerrey as an honored and decorated SEAL most recently focused on this issue within the last ten days I would guess that within the eleventh hour and following the revelation of the DUI story, the media and voters were waiting for the next shoe to drop. This issue may have been viewed as the next shoe.

In June of 1998 and with the full and personal knowledge of Dan Bartlett and the Governor, I reported problems of force structure, readiness operational efficiency personnel and procedures within the Texas National Guard. At that time, and periodically thereafter, I have been in contact with various [audio, video and print]news writers and publishers. In 1998, I provided sufficient detailed information including documentation of severe irregularities within the Governors own chain of command in an effort to correct those deficiencies which I believe undermined the Texas National Guard and in some cases broke the law.

How did your reference in this story develop?

I contacted a website that outlined the Governor's personal military career irregularities and suggested that there were two official documents that would resolve the issue of satisfactory and honorable service. Suddenly on Friday afternoon, my telephone became barraged with media calls and messages including those who had known of my previous whistleblowing but had failed report it. I explained my background and personal observations to each of them in minute detail, often repeating the entire process for clarity. I was extremely careful not to point an accusing finger, but rather shape a question which could resolve this allegation of integrity that had clouded the Bush campaign since June of 1999 ? the issue of his personal military service.

Did you allege that the governor's staff doctored the records?

No, instead I stated that the way this had been handled by the Bush staff including knowledgeable military officials at the Texas national guard, that it left the implication that the Bush staff had first incompetently provided an incomplete military file for the Governor which was consistent with his autobiography. I further observed that they probably did not anticipate that the file would be scrutinized to the level that it was. Whenever someone determined holes is service big enough to drive a Mack truck through additional information [all of which was unofficial and some in pencil notations] were then submitted to the press to answer questions. I further observed this "Trust me, I'm the Governor" approach had worked throughout Texas for George W. Bush within his tenure and the media had give the Governor a free pass without the same scrutiny as the Vice President until the eleventh hour revelation of the DUI. But this still left the basic question ? Why didn't Governor Bush simply release his military pay files and retirement points accounting records, which are the only OFFICIAL records that will show that he satisfactorily and honorably completed his service commitment?

Were there other issues that you discussed?

Yes. In each call, I, in essence scolded media representatives for not doing their homework and reviewing this information before the eleventh hour. When asked if I would go on record, I said, yes, I have nothing to hide even though I knew that the mention of my name with the Bush campaign would immediately strike a personal response because of my whistleblowing in 1998.

Again, was this a Democratic ploy as stated by Karen Hughes of the Bush staff?

No. Absolutely not.

Karen Hughes has again skirted the real issue and question. Dan Bartlett and the Governor have also refused to answer the basic question and furnish the OFFICIAL files that will resolve this issue. I am in no way linked to the Democratic Party. I am simply an energized citizen and retired soldier who would like to have the issues of each possible commander-in-chief resolved prior to the election, in order that we can escape holding another American Presidency hostage to actions and allegations by the opposing party in Congress. We have suffered from this partisanship for the past eight years. George W. Bush says that he is the only candidate who can bridge this impasse. This is his opportunity to start that process. This is what I believe other Americans share with me ? a sincere belief that they have the right and capacity to make educated decisions; but that candidates have the responsibility for full and complete disclosure.

If you would like to speak with me personally ? on the record ? I can be reached at (915) 673-0429 in Abilene, Texas.

Please call in order to verify my signature.

Bill L. Burkett
LTC (Ret)
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AWOL or not....I'd still rather see Bush in the White House than "Hanoi John" Kerry who started lying to congress when he got back from Vietnam and has been lying ever since. If that man told me it was raining I'd have to go look out the window myself, just to make sure. I don't trust him with my future or my grandchildrens future.

If he gets in and someone later asks you if you were a "Baby Killer" in Vietnam don't get miffed.....just smile and say "yes, that's what John Kerry said, and he NEVER lies".
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SO MUCH RHETORIC,...just to take a swipe at President Bush, by his staunchly, adamently and selectively anti-ANYTHING Republican/Conservative detractors.

Still, what impressed me most about the typically Dem/Lib mixing of apples with oranges,...was the silly statement that President Bush: "....had the worst military record of any of our presidents".
Utter nonsense.

Does the great military expert name of: "CLINTON" ring-a-bell??? Wasn't really that long ago?

Hell,...that draft-dodging-bum whom: "Despised The Military" before ever being President, pretty-much displayed that he still; "Despised The Military" EVEN AFTER BEING PRESIDENT, and even by more ways than just Somalia showed.

I guess that most Dem/Libs suffer some degree of purposeful and selective memory loss? Watch enough TV,...and such certainly becomes quite obvious and/or that Dem/Libs CAN DO (plus never do) NO WRONG,...which most often couldn't be farther from the truth. SOME JOKE

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I also have a lot of heartburn with Kerry's Silver Star and 3 Purple Hearts. There are a lot of SF Vets around that think that they are "Bogus". How do you collect 3 PH's without having a day in the hospital? Wonder who wrote him up for that stuff? The same guy who did LBJ's or Wes Clark's Silver Star?
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A burning Twenty-dollar bill in my pocket says that there was not one of his EM's that wrote him up, or recommended him for any award, leaving the only person involved as the recipient hisownself. This is the height of self-promotion, and is totally in keeping with his arrogance and elitist attitude.
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